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Old 10-15-2015, 10:10 PM   #1
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Ok, so, I've done so much research and have many friends that are mechanics. I would like to know what performance upgrades to knock out first. I've been told to do this order:
1.) Gears
2.) Exhaust
3.) headers
4.) mid pipe
5.) CAI
6.) Tuner

Then eventually the supercharger! However, I've been told by many that, headers are more for sound vs performance along with CAI, mid pipes, etc., "they're a waste of money" and "they only make a difference if you have a whole exhaust system set up with headers, CAI, exhaust, and possibly even a throttle body." Seen so many videos where the "dyno" proves that CAI, throttle bodies, headers, etc. do not effect performance. So what's the real truth?

Is it a waste of money? What should my performance list consist of in order?

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You have heard a lot of dumb things quite frankly.

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Tuner should be one of the first mods and no headers aren't just for sound.

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Tuner should be one of the first mods and no headers aren't just for sound.

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Thought so
That's why I came here, figured I can obtain some knowledge for myself! Thanks for the reply!(:
CAI a waste you think? If not, why are there car junkies on YouTube that try to prove them otherwise on the dyno?
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Cai waste of time and money. Do all the rest
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That's why I came here, figured I can obtain some knowledge for myself! Thanks for the reply!(:
CAI a waste you think? If not, why are there car junkies on YouTube that try to prove them otherwise on the dyno?
If you want one get one lol. I have one but it is something you can skip. What gears/transmission do you have? I would do exhaust and tune first personally

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I agree that what you were told is not correct.

1. Depending on the ratio you currently have, this can be a good bang for your buck. Essentially trading top speed in each gear for acceleration.

2. Headers and mid pipe are part of the full exhaust system, so I'm going to assume this refers to catback. This is more for sound than performance. Some people will claim hp gains, but your biggest gains will come from changes upstream.

3. Long tube headers do in fact give you performance. There can be disagreement on short tube headers but they will not give as much gain. Both will change sound. Equal length headers usually beneficial relative to the stock exhaust manifolds, although the stock manifolds on the newer cars are pretty good.

4. Mid pipes will give performance gains because they reduce (hi flow cats) or eliminate (off road) the restriction caused by the stock cats. You will need a tune depending on what you do.

5. CAI is mostly for looks. You will see gains posted but most, if not all, of that is due to the tune.

6. Probably the first thing most people do.

On the newer cars, if you are going for performance gains, tune and mid pipe are good ones to tackle. Just plan ahead. If you are going to do long tube headers, you will need a shorter mid pipe. Shorties will fit fine. Gears are good if you want more acceleration outside of the perf gains.

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Cai waste of time and money. Do all the rest
Hahaha I've heard many many times
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If you want one get one lol. I have one but it is something you can skip. What gears/transmission do you have? I would do exhaust and tune first personally

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Automatic/3.31

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Automatic/3.31



Now before anyone bashes on the auto... I bought it used, and it was the cheapest I could find at the time! Couldn't find a stick for that price!!

Nothing to bash buddy. The automatics are great in these cars especially with the 4.10 gears!!


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I agree that what you were told is not correct.

1. Depending on the ratio you currently have, this can be a good bang for your buck. Essentially trading top speed in each gear for acceleration.

2. Headers and mid pipe are part of the full exhaust system, so I'm going to assume this refers to catback. This is more for sound than performance. Some people will claim hp gains, but your biggest gains will come from changes upstream.

3. Long tube headers do in fact give you performance. There can be disagreement on short tube headers but they will not give as much gain. Both will change sound. Equal length headers usually beneficial relative to the stock exhaust manifolds, although the stock manifolds on the newer cars are pretty good.

4. Mid pipes will give performance gains because they reduce (hi flow cats) or eliminate (off road) the restriction caused by the stock cats. You will need a tune depending on what you do.

5. CAI is mostly for looks. You will see gains posted but most, if not all, of that is due to the tune.

6. Probably the first thing most people do.

On the newer cars, if you are going for performance gains, tune and mid pipe are good ones to tackle. Just plan ahead. If you are going to do long tube headers, you will need a shorter mid pipe. Shorties will fit fine. Gears are good if you want more acceleration outside of the perf gains.

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Thanks for the education! I know I want the full exhaust system, I already have cat backs but would like to trade my flow masters out for borlas! I really want new gears but once I found out that it cut off the top end speed I paused on it. But people are right, how often will I actually be topping out? I am also scared of MPG! I'm not a big freeway driver but I'll drive occasionally 2x a month up to my second job which totals about 160miles monthly (not including my other driving which consists of mainly city) My full time job commute is a joke though, maybe two miles?
Looks like a tuner and gears are my next go to!
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Nothing to bash buddy. The automatics are great in these cars especially with the 4.10 gears!!


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Did you swap your gears? If so, was there a noticeable difference? And what was your MPG loss? Thanks for the reply!
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Did you swap your gears? If so, was there a noticeable difference? And what was your MPG loss? Thanks for the reply!

Yes, it's is an absolute huge difference with an automatic . I mean night and freaking day! It accelerates so quick now. The only trade off is the tach will rev a little higher then normal on the highway. But really is not all that bad!


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Yes, it's is an absolute huge difference with an automatic . I mean night and freaking day! It accelerates so quick now. The only trade off is the tach will rev a little higher then normal on the highway. But really is not all that bad!


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Thanks! I gotta try em now haha! I hear is changes your speed-o-meter? As in, it will no longer be accurate because it now adds miles faster than what a normal mile should be, is this true?
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Thanks! I gotta try em now haha! I hear is changes your speed-o-meter? As in, it will no longer be accurate because it now adds miles faster than what a normal mile should be, is this true?

Yes, that is true . Really easy fix to do with a tuner. Definitely do it with an automatic as shift points are done from the computer and if the speedo is off it can mess up ur tranny!


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Thanks for the education! I know I want the full exhaust system, I already have cat backs but would like to trade my flow masters out for borlas! I really want new gears but once I found out that it cut off the top end speed I paused on it. But people are right, how often will I actually be topping out? I am also scared of MPG! I'm not a big freeway driver but I'll drive occasionally 2x a month up to my second job which totals about 160miles monthly (not including my other driving which consists of mainly city) My full time job commute is a joke though, maybe two miles?
Looks like a tuner and gears are my next go to!
You will probably never hit the top end speed so I wouldn't worry about that. A lot of people like 4.10s on an auto. You will feel a very significant change in acceleration but your cruising rpm will be up (less mpg). If you want to retain fuel economy closer to what you have you can go with 3.55s or 3.73s. I have never had an auto mustang so I would wait to see what others have to say. Honestly, if the majority of your driving is short distance, city driving, the effect on mpg will probably be more from your foot than the gears.

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Thanks! I gotta try em now haha! I hear is changes your speed-o-meter? As in, it will no longer be accurate because it now adds miles faster than what a normal mile should be, is this true?

Here I made a video a few years back to show u highway speeds with 4.10 gears. Hope this helps buddy

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You will probably never hit the top end speed so I wouldn't worry about that. A lot of people like 4.10s on an auto. You will feel a very significant change in acceleration but your cruising rpm will be up (less mpg). If you want to retain fuel economy closer to what you have you can go with 3.55s or 3.73s. I have never had an auto mustang so I would wait to see what others have to say. Honestly, if the majority of your driving is short distance, city driving, the effect on mpg will probably be more from your foot than the gears.

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I know I want gears but debating hard in wether I want the 4.10 or 3.73s ):
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If u do an exhaust then tune, or a tune then exhaust, ur gonna be one happy coyote owner also if you drive a lot on the highway, I would go with the 3.73's.

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Just love all the new mustang owners, they think you can add 3-4 items and then go to a supercharger. Wait until the OP finds out that will be close to another $6,000 just for the supercharger.

Your in California, so the Shorty's are legal, the long tubes are not. Illegal to run cat deletes (off-road) for you.

You have no suspension parts listed. Have to do something more to handle the extra horsepower. Oops there went more money and you still have the supercharger to pay for.
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Just love all the new mustang owners, they think you can add 3-4 items and then go to a supercharger. Wait until the OP finds out that will be close to another $6,000 just for the supercharger.

Your in California, so the Shorty's are legal, the long tubes are not. Illegal to run cat deletes (off-road) for you.

You have no suspension parts listed. Have to do something more to handle the extra horsepower. Oops there went more money and you still have the supercharger to pay for.
not even close to thinking about the supercharger. I totally understand that it's not just bolting it on and calling it good. You still need to rebuild the bottom end. What I posed before was just very brief. Thanks for the input though
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If u do an exhaust then tune, or a tune then exhaust, ur gonna be one happy coyote owner also if you drive a lot on the highway, I would go with the 3.73's.

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Thanks man!(:
No not too much high way driving for me! So may go 4.10
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Here I made a video a few years back to show u highway speeds with 4.10 gears. Hope this helps buddy

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Thanks for the video(:
It did really help, wasn't too bad, 80mph resting at like 2400 rpm. May have convinced me to go 4.10! Is a tune mecessary?

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Thanks for the video(:
It did really help, wasn't too bad, 80mph resting at like 2400 rpm. May have convinced me to go 4.10! Is a tune necessary?
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Thanks for the video(:
It did really help, wasn't too bad, 80mph resting at like 2400 rpm. May have convinced me to go 4.10! Is a tune mecessary?

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Thanks for the video(:
It did really help, wasn't too bad, 80mph resting at like 2400 rpm. May have convinced me to go 4.10! Is a tune necessary?
You should tune with gears.

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Figured, will that sync with the speed o meter and make it accurate? Or no?
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Figured, will that sync with the speed o meter and make it accurate? Or no?
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Ahhhhh!Interesting!
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That is what we are here for. One thing to think about is that video with 4.10 you watched was with a 5 speed transmission not a 6. With the newer auto the 3.73 seem to be more popular.

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That is what we are here for. One thing to think about is that video with 4.10 you watched was with a 5 speed transmission not a 6. With the newer auto the 3.73 seem to be more popular.

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You recommending the 3.73? If so, will there be a noticeable difference vs 4.10?
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I wouldn't recommend one over the other. Just throwing out observations

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consensus definitley leads to 3.73's being best combo of top speed/accel
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I know I want gears but debating hard in wether I want the 4.10 or 3.73s ):
Neither one will help if I have your details correct but just to varify what year is your car?
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Is your car a 2013-2014? If so either your mistaken on the gears or they were changed at some point from the factory ratio. GT/Autos don't come with 3.31's from the factory.
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Here I made a video a few years back to show u highway speeds with 4.10 gears. Hope this helps buddy
Your car is a 2007 and I believe he owns a 2013-2014. So giving him advice on gears is not a fair comparison and frankly quite reckless.
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Your car is a 2007 and I believe he owns a 2013-2014. So giving him advice on gears is not a fair comparison and frankly quite reckless.
Yes it's a 2013
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Talk to Grabber, he had a mildly bolted on 11-14 automatic GT going low 11s with the stock gears and stock air intake. You do not want to change the stock gears.
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