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Old 12-01-2004, 01:00 AM   #1
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Alright! National Sales Tax.. bye bye IRS

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,140076,00.html

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Sweet, its about time.. They just need to get the tax bracket figured out so that way I dont pay the same taxes as a guy that just made 1 million for the year.
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That will be an interesting debate. I like the idea of all those that claim to be "not for profit" that can evade income tax having to cough up tax when the spend their cash. But, I agree it might hurt those retiring and such. On the surface, I think it sounds great...even if it is just to see more cash in your pay check. I know you would be passing it out at the check out counters, but, it would look pretty on paper and in your account.
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Sweet, its about time.. They just need to get the tax bracket figured out so that way I dont pay the same taxes as a guy that just made 1 million for the year.
You might be paying the same rate, but he is dishing out more. You will spend it on "pidly things"....he will spend it on ferarris...porshes...extravegant items. He will end up paying out more than you, even though it is the same rate. I would be cool with that I think.
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You might be paying the same rate, but he is dishing out more. You will spend it on "pidly things"....he will spend it on ferarris...porshes...extravegant items. He will end up paying out more than you, even though it is the same rate. I would be cool with that I think.
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that's a pretty good idea. just consider, when they remove income tax from your paycheck you'll only be giving uncle sam 5-10% of your pay, as opposed to 20-25% that you pay now. the only tax you'd submit in your pay would be social security, medicare, things like that. the rest would be paid when you buy something. this would also eventually help with inflation, i believe

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the only tax you'd submit in your pay would be social security, medicare, things like that.
Nice to see you also know that SS, Medicare, etc are taxes too. Too many people don't consider them as such.

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Hm...if I wasn't paid cash at the moment I might care...lol
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After rereading the article I see they plan to also replace the "payroll tax" with this sales taxe. Payroll tax is another term for social security. I might have to calculate how much I pay now.

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^right now i pay anywhere from 18-23% of my weekly as taxes (depending on how much overtime i get). that's anywhere from 150-300$ and i hate it lol

the only problem i see with this is that everyone will have to keep every receipt to be able to prove that they paid for something. i hate organizing receipts :p
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meh, i dont make enough to care at the moment(cause im still studying, and ussually get paid cash )
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i think this is a great idea, but couldnt this hurt the economy if the tax is too high? people hate spending money out of pocket
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WTF? I move to NH to get away from taxes (sales & state income). Now the government wants to redo my fed taxes? Also, I don't see anything more specific than "23-cent national sales tax on all retail goods." Do they mean $0.23 per purchase, or per dollar of purchase? Further, what about overseas purchases? What about internet purchases? Are we gonna hafta crack down on little guys trading stuff on-line? What happens if Amazon or someone jumps to the Caymans? Will I have to pay an extra 0.23 for my next book?


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It wont hurt the economy and here is why

A national sales tax will not be on used stuff . You can go without paying taxes if you shopped wisely.

You would get all your money in your paycheck with almost no deduction.

Think about it no car tax, property tax, income tax,
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but I get almost all my taxes back this year... since I don't make even $10,000 this year (college student)... if they went this route, I'd lose that. I've got about $800 or so coming back to me. If I would've gotten all that, I would've already paid $800 in taxes. I don't know about this. As long as I don't end up paying this $800 I NEED for school... I'll be ok. It sounds like a good idea, I just don't want to see us that NEED every dime we can get.... get screwed. I know I spend a lot on my car, but other than my gf (hahahaha ).... what else do I have to spend it on? (the laughing, was because I mentioned my car before my gf.... and gf's aren't cheap).... but yeah, I have to pay for school, gas to get there, books... apartment next year... ***** ain't cheap.
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but I get almost all my taxes back this year... since I don't make even $10,000 this year (college student)... if they went this route, I'd lose that. I've got about $800 or so coming back to me. If I would've gotten all that, I would've already paid $800 in taxes. I don't know about this. As long as I don't end up paying this $800 I NEED for school... I'll be ok. It sounds like a good idea, I just don't want to see us that NEED every dime we can get.... get screwed. I know I spend a lot on my car, but other than my gf (hahahaha ).... what else do I have to spend it on? (the laughing, was because I mentioned my car before my gf.... and gf's aren't cheap).... but yeah, I have to pay for school, gas to get there, books... apartment next year... ***** ain't cheap.
Dude think past your immediate existance and think about your damn future and the future of your parents and grandparents who need all of their money. This type of debates are almost useless if you dont have a home or live 100% on your own without parental subsidies. Most high school and college kids live for the moment and have no clue or desire to think about future responsibilities. The current tax code is broke.

The IRS spend billions trying to collect billions. If you had national sales tax the Irs and its annual cost of running it would be saved and could go to fixing Social Security.

Now with all that I said there are a few young people that dont have there heads in the sand who understand the need to fix the tax system and a national sales tax is one of many option to look at!!
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By fixing Social Secuirty it means making it optional in my book, or even setting up private accounts like was mentioned by Bush in the debates.
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Dude think past your immediate existance and think about your damn future and the future of your parents and grandparents who need all of their money. This type of debates are almost useless if you dont have a home or live 100% on your own without parental subsidies. Most high school and college kids live for the moment and have no clue or desire to think about future responsibilities. The current tax code is broke.

The IRS spend billions trying to collect billions. If you had national sales tax the Irs and its annual cost of running it would be saved and could go to fixing Social Security.

Now with all that I said there are a few young people that dont have there heads in the sand who understand the need to fix the tax system and a national sales tax is one of many option to look at!!
excuse me Corey, maybe I didn't bring up EVERYTHING.... I should've... you ride my *** when I don't. I'll step this out one at a time. If I don't get the money back from my taxes.... my going to school becomes that much more difficult.... $800 from just my summer job would pay the rent for 2, maybe 3 months... now, if I can't afford to go to school.. I can't get an education to work, do what I want, make a decent living. This is how it becomes full circle, and this is how now affects my future... not just right now
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I am not riding you it is to all of the people you are not raising a family and a home. Like you said you get back all of your money now so it does not effect you. But one day it will and hopefully it will be fixed by then

Dont take debates so personal.
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it's not so much about it being personal, but this is my life Corey. It directly affects me. I need that tax money back. I need it, it figures into what I need to make the budget for me going to school work. I know I'm not alone either.
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the thing about it jimmy, is that you'll be getting the money straight up. it will never be removed from your paycheck. thus, you'll have more cash to spend. the 23% national sales tax would only apply to brand new goods and food items. any used items would be tax free. so yes, you'd pay more when you bought something, but you'd also have more to spend becuz you're actually bringing more of your earnings home
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Here is the real problem with the Tax code

1. Why do they take to much to begin with????
2. Why do they keep your money and use it for a year but dont pay interest???
3. Why is it I have to it pay while really rich people never have to????
4. Why is it there are so many loopholes in not having to pay as long as you are Rich and powerful
5. Why is it that you have to be a accountant to understand the tax code.

Today the tax code is lengthier than the Encyclopedia Britannica and consequently there are now are 115,000 IRS employees to interpret and enforce this monstrosity. (See Table.) Incredibly, the IRS now has more employees than the Environmental Protection Agency, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Drug Enforcement Agency, the Food and Drug Administration, and the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms--combined

...................................................1914...............1994
Income Taxes Paid (Billions 1994 $)....$6.7................$683.4
Per capita income taxes (1994 $).......$69................$2,622
Individual tax filers...........................360,000..........113,829,000
Percent of population filing returns......0.5%..............45%
IRS Budget (Millions 1994 $)..............$110,000,000...$7,100,000,000
IRS Employees................................4,000..............115,000
Pages of federal tax law...................14...................9,400
Pages of IRS forms...........................4...................4,000
Top Tax Rate..................................7%................40%
Tax Rate on Median Family.................0%................28%
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It wont hurt the economy and here is why

A national sales tax will not be on used stuff . You can go without paying taxes if you shopped wisely.
The thought of used food ties my head in knots.



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Think about it no car tax, property tax, income tax,
Car taxes and property taxes are NOT federal taxes, you'll still be paying that. Not to mention all those "fees" mandated by various Federal entities that have no legal right to levy a tax, so they call it a fee and it's "legal". Look at your phone bill.

The only way I could support this (I like the idea in general) is if there was a constitutional amendment BANNED any other type of charge, be it called a fee, a tax, or any other term, other than this sales tax. Otherwise you and I will end up paying both a national sales tax and an income tax.

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The thought of used food ties my head in knots.





Car taxes and property taxes are NOT federal taxes, .

The only way I could support this (I like the idea in general) is if there was a constitutional amendment BANNED any other type of charge, be it called a fee, a tax, or any other term, other than this sales tax. Otherwise you and I will end up paying both a national sales tax and an income tax.

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Used food ARRRRGGGGHHHHH!!!! YUCK YUCK !!!HAHAHHAHAHAH

Actually in my state of South Carolina they are looking at a state Sales tax instead of state income, car or property taxes. I am sorry I should have metioned it.
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23 cents on the dollar?

hell no! that's absolutely rediculous. i understand that it would replace other taxes, but i sure as hell don't wanna hassle with a 23 cent tax on each dollar.
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23 cents on the dollar?

hell no! that's absolutely rediculous. i understand that it would replace other taxes, but i sure as hell don't wanna hassle with a 23 cent tax on each dollar.
You would rather pay 25+% on every dollar you make instead of 23% on every dollar you spend? I pay 33% on every dollar I make. I don't spend everything I make. When you think about the whole picture, sure, it sounds like a hike in the cost of things, but, you will only be taxed on what you spend, not what you make. If you hoard money away, you don't pay tax on that. If you save money, you end up paying less tax. Plus, your check will look bigger every week. I know my bring home would go up about $400 every check (I get paid bi-monthly).
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You would rather pay 25+% on every dollar you make instead of 23% on every dollar you spend? I pay 33% on every dollar I make. I don't spend everything I make. When you think about the whole picture, sure, it sounds like a hike in the cost of things, but, you will only be taxed on what you spend, not what you make. If you hoard money away, you don't pay tax on that. If you save money, you end up paying less tax. Plus, your check will look bigger every week. I know my bring home would go up about $400 every check (I get paid bi-monthly).
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Hell My check would go up $500 a week or $2000 a month. I could go get a Dodge Viper MUHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA
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why would you want a Viper... when you could get the Ford GT?.... , I love that car....mmmmmmmmmm... happy thoughts. Sorry, in any occassion... If the country goes to this idea, I think each state should have to go to it as well. Then we'll know if it truly works or not.
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Because I could by 2 vipers and supercharge them for the price of one GT.
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Because I could by 2 vipers and supercharge them for the price of one GT.
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Hell My check would go up $500 a week or $2000 a month. I could go get a Dodge Viper MUHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHA
WOW 2000 a month in cali is not enough for a viper
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If you save up long enough it is...lol
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my dad makes like 5000 a month and it is not considered alot. he could afford a viper with that. but with only 2 thousand a month we would be in the gutter lol
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He said he would have 2000 extra a month without income tax...
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