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Old 12-14-2004, 03:09 PM   #36
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Well, if we look at it from the criminal law standpoint. Abortions are legal, they are a medical procedure. A murder is done with malice and intent. A first degree murder is premeditated.
A person that kills a pregnant woman is ending the life growing inside her with malice and intent. Hence a second degree murder.
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How many abortions are done with malice?

They are ALL done with intent. I think that probably throws out some of your argument.
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How many abortions are done with malice?

They are ALL done with intent. I think that probably throws out some of your argument.
lol, really dude, no offense, I don't know what u mean. I though we where getting away from the abortion thing. but ok: Abortions are bad

whether we like it or not abortions are legal, murder on the other hand is illegal. the definition of murder is the killing of a human being with malice and intent. the definition of first degree murder is murder with premeditation.
don't take apart what I wrote word by word to make a point , look at the whole paragraph.
anyway, I'm done with this thread
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you were pointing out that 1st degree murder is planned, intentional, done on purpose, etc.

I was pointing out that abortions are the same thing, planned, intentional, done on purpose, etc.

So why should 1st degree murder get you in so much trouble if abortions don't?
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the abortion issue is only going to cause a flame war.
dont jinx it.


anyways... i would have to say that what he did was double homicide, the baby is alive, he is a living being living off his mother. the moment he killled laci he also killed the child.
it would be so cool if they would torture his *** to death, but some damn people think thats wrong, not me. so imo, that guy should die, and burn in hell.
and for those saying that the child is not alive while he is in his mother, , let me tell you when i was young and stupid i got my girl pregnant and we both decided she should abort, and let me tell u that child was very much alive
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The way I look at it is this...

A fetus is not considered a human being until it can survive on its own (no respirators, no feeding tubes, no outside help). This includes performing all bodily functions necessary to survive.

She was 8 mos. pregnant. At 8 months the baby would be premature, but could quite possibly survive on its own. In this case, I agree with the sentencing. It was a kid in her that was ready to be born.

Now, had the fetus been less further along (between conception and lets say 6 months), then I would be totally against charging him with the murdering of the fetus. At that early stage it cannot survive on its own therefore it is not a human being. It is a fetus.

Life does begin at conception. Life begins when two dogs conceive a fetus, 2 cats, 2 cows, etc etc. But since when was life the sole definition of a human being? If you want to look at it as starting at conception, then how come you can't sentence someone to death for shooting a pregnant bear, deer, cow, etc? The key here is a human being. In order for something to be a human being, it has to be able to survive on its own.

I don't know...Maybe there are some flaws within my reasoning. But from the way I look at it, abortion should be legal up until the end of the 2nd trimester where a fetus can, in fact, be born and survive. Any sooner and it would be a miscarraige.
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The way I look at it is this...

A fetus is not considered a human being until it can survive on its own (no respirators, no feeding tubes, no outside help). This includes performing all bodily functions necessary to survive.

She was 8 mos. pregnant. At 8 months the baby would be premature, but could quite possibly survive on its own. In this case, I agree with the sentencing. It was a kid in her that was ready to be born.

Now, had the fetus been less further along (between conception and lets say 6 months), then I would be totally against charging him with the murdering of the fetus. At that early stage it cannot survive on its own therefore it is not a human being. It is a fetus.

Life does begin at conception. Life begins when two dogs conceive a fetus, 2 cats, 2 cows, etc etc. But since when was life the sole definition of a human being? If you want to look at it as starting at conception, then how come you can't sentence someone to death for shooting a pregnant bear, deer, cow, etc? The key here is a human being. In order for something to be a human being, it has to be able to survive on its own.

I don't know...Maybe there are some flaws within my reasoning. But from the way I look at it, abortion should be legal up until the end of the 2nd trimester where a fetus can, in fact, be born and survive. Any sooner and it would be a miscarraige.
Where i come from on abortion is its a easy way out of taking responsiblity for your actions. Don't want to get pregnant.. don't ****... not like you were forced to sleep with that person (except rape duh)

It's just not right to me to be able to end something that is ALIVE.. regardless of whether it will survive it is alive and it does feel pain. I'm have put alot of thought into this and I just can't approve of something like this. It is not right, plain and simple.
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Would you approve of it if your daughter was raped?

Must she be forced to live with something that she was forced into?

Think about that...
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don't ****... not like you were forced to sleep with that person (except rape duh)
sounds to me like he sort of agrees with you there..
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sounds to me like he sort of agrees with you there..
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Would you approve of it if your daughter was raped?

Must she be forced to live with something that she was forced into?

Think about that...
i read once that only .2% of women with abortions are rape victims (cant verify if thats true or not)
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i read once that only .2% of women with abortions are rape victims (cant verify if thats true or not)
That would be correct, yet rape is used alot to swade people to support abortion, and people play right into it
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.2% = .002

that means that for every 1,000 abortions, only 2 were due to rapes.
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