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Old 01-20-2005, 07:46 PM   #1
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english help please

if you guys could tell me how you like my opening to my point paper that would be great, and other help would be great. thanks



Gun control

It is one of the most controversial topics ever to cross the mouths of
many a politician. It has started and ruined many political careers.
It has caused family feuds and turned town halls into war grounds.
All this over 28 words in what some would say to be the most important
document ever written by man, the United States Constitution. More
specifically these are the first ten amendments which are the Bill of
Rights. The Bill of Rights was written by Anti-Federalists who didn't
want the federal government to have so much power.

Gun control is typically defined as efforts to regulate or control
sales of guns. Now this idea has evolved over time. The first time
the idea was brought up was the debate for the law against the ban on
automatic weapons. This was a 1933 law this pretty much banned any
weapon which could be fired automatically. There were still many
loopholes but it was a start. Now this being said, guns have been part
of this country since its founding. And this right is officially
protected by the Bill of Rights.

However, this amendment was written in a very different time. At this
time a good soldier could fire a maximum of 3 shots per minute, with
the same amount of time a modern automatic weapon can get off well
over 600 rounds. Very different times indeed, they were times when
people had to worry about a foreign government actually retaking
control over them. They had to protect themselves, but the time of the
militia has come and gone. So the question is, why has the gun not
come and gone in the private house hold? Why is it that there is just
under a 1 to 1 ratio for persons to guns in this country?
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Gun Control is not the answer

Very well written though
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if you guys could tell me how you like my opening to my point paper that would be great, and other help would be great. thanks



Gun control

It is one of the most controversial topics ever to cross the mouths of
many a politician. It has started and ruined many political careers.
It has caused family feuds and turned town halls into war grounds.
All this over 28 words in what some would say to be the most important
document ever written by man, the United States Constitution. More
specifically these are the first ten amendments which are the Bill of
Rights. The Bill of Rights was written by Anti-Federalists who didn't
want the federal government to have so much power.

Gun control is typically defined as efforts to regulate or control
sales of guns. Now this idea has evolved over time. The first time
the idea was brought up was the debate for the law against the ban on
automatic weapons. This was a 1933 law this pretty much banned any
weapon which could be fired automatically
. There were still many
loopholes but it was a start. Now this being said, guns have been part
of this country since its founding. And this right is officially
protected by the Bill of Rights.

However, this amendment was written in a very different time. At this
time a good soldier could fire a maximum of 3 shots per minute, with
the same amount of time a modern automatic weapon can get off well
over 600 rounds. Very different times indeed, they were times when
people had to worry about a foreign government actually retaking
control over them. They had to protect themselves, but the time of the
militia has come and gone. So the question is, why has the gun not
come and gone in the private house hold? Why is it that there is just
under a 1 to 1 ratio for persons to guns in this country?
I'm not sure the green sentence makes sense and you use the word "this" a lot, you might try finding some synonyms just so it's not so redundant.

For some reason I misread the "...most important document ever written..." as "...most unimportant document ever written..." and I couldn't stop laughing, haha.
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How about

This was a 1933 law which pretty much banned any weapon that could be fired automatically.
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This was a 1933 law which pretty much banned any weapon that could be fired automatically.
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Here's an English question.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

That would be a great opening line for a gun control paper.

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Here's an English question.

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

That would be a great opening line for a gun control paper.

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If this is a formal paper, the use of numerals as opposed to words is wrong. In a formal english paper typing the numbers out may look stupid to you but gives it a more elegant approach and look than simply typing in the numbers. Numbers kinda break up the flow of the paper. Just my .02 cents (BTW I haven't had english in a year or so so don't trust all I tell you lol)
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Yea, anything that is two numbers or less you spell out.
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^ Dom is right.

I'm not in the state of mind to proofread now, I'll check it tomorrow.
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major mistake:

the national firearms act was in 1934, not 1933...
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but the time of the
militia has come and gone. So the question is, why has the gun not
come and gone in the private house hold? Why is it that there is just
under a 1 to 1 ratio for persons to guns in this country?
you're against private gun ownership???
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you're against private gun ownership???
That is kinda off topic we are suppose to be helping him not criticizing his thoughts
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That is kinda off topic we are suppose to be helping him not criticizing his thoughts
i already helped, and now i'd like to know the purpose of the paper i just helped on.
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major mistake:

the national firearms act was in 1934, not 1933...
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you're against private gun ownership???
nope its just a school thing, i dislike guns but if you want them go for it. now to a point, there are some guns i dont think ppl have the right to own
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That is kinda off topic we are suppose to be helping him not criticizing his thoughts
what threads don't go off topic? I'm with chips on this one, I like hearing peoples opinions and why.

What guns don't you think people have the RIGHT to own and why? Maybe you don't want them owning it but why wouldn't they have the right? And why don't you want them having them?
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I reiterate:

Exactly what part of "shall not be infringed" escapes your understanding?

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I believe in the well known fact that if government attempts to control guns, the only people who will then have guns will be the government, and the criminals.

This is no joke.

People who believe in gun control should have to watch the movie "Red Dawn" several times until it sinks in why our forefathers believed the right of the people to keep and bear arms should not be infringed.
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Red Dawn = good movie, esp for its time.

guns are teh win. I am getting a handgun as soon as I can.
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nope its just a school thing, i dislike guns but if you want them go for it. now to a point, there are some guns i dont think ppl have the right to own
well, i won't argue with you about it(i don't think i could change your opinion). but personally, i see no problem with responsible citizens owning any firearm they want.

however, i do think that something needs to be done to prevent idiots from owning guns. the stupid kids that couldn't be trusted with a cap gun are ruining it for everyone.

look at this forum(especially the suicide thread) - and keep in mind that all of them are gun owners...

http://www.nokansas.net/forum/viewfo...f33f10f1189b67

if you're paper is persausive, i guess you could use those kids as an example.




and since i posted that link, i guess i better post some of the LSS shooting events as well...

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i never really liked guns, i dont think that they should be banned but there should be limitations to what kind of guns you can get, aswell as who they sell these guns too.
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there should be limitations to what kind of guns you can get, aswell as who they sell these guns too.
there are.

a law abaiding American citizen can own just about anything they want to - but there are laws in place to make sure that some people can't buy assault rifles and such.

the national firearms act was mentioned earlier... that prevents criminals from owning assault rifles, smg's, short barrelled shotguns/rifles, etc. basically, you have to be 21 years old, have no felonies ever, and no misdomeanors in the past several years in order to own one of those guns. in order to purchase it, you must fill out the proper forms, and get the signature of the chief law enforcement officer on you paper work. then you send in the paperwork and a check for $200. there is an in depth background check and a 6 month waiting period.

after that, you can purchase an assault rifle - if you can afford it... an m-16 will run you about $10,000.

the process to buy explosive devices, rocket/grenade launchers, etc. is similar, but i believe that you also have to include a letter to the BATF explaining what you plan on using the explosives for.
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there are.

a law abaiding American citizen can own just about anything they want to - but there are laws in place to make sure that some people can't buy assault rifles and such.

the national firearms act was mentioned earlier... that prevents criminals from owning assault rifles, smg's, short barrelled shotguns/rifles, etc. basically, you have to be 21 years old, have no felonies ever, and no misdomeanors in the past several years in order to own one of those guns. in order to purchase it, you must fill out the proper forms, and get the signature of the chief law enforcement officer on you paper work. then you send in the paperwork and a check for $200. there is an in depth background check and a 6 month waiting period.

after that, you can purchase an assault rifle - if you can afford it... an m-16 will run you about $10,000.

the process to buy explosive devices, rocket/grenade launchers, etc. is similar, but i believe that you also have to include a letter to the BATF explaining what you plan on using the explosives for.

someone can leggaly buy an m=16?
why? what would they use it for?
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someone can leggaly buy an m=16?
why? what would they use it for?
that is 1 hell of a good question
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someone can leggaly buy an m=16?
why? what would they use it for?
i'm suprised that you aren't more concerned with people buying grenade launchers...

what do they use it for? it's a lot of fun. i don't know if you've ever had a chance to fire fully automatic weapons, but it's a blast. the first gun i ever fired was a stenn grease gun when i was 9. people who love shooting might be interested in owning something like that - firearm collectors too.

let me ask you something... what do people use fast cars for? it's a lot of fun, right? i mean, you don't need a fast car, but going to the track and running is a good time - is it not?


i don't see any reason to own a ten second car, but many of you do. i have seen many of you mention that you have been bitten by the "mod bug"... it's the same way for gun owners.
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i'm suprised that you aren't more concerned with people buying grenade launchers...

what do they use it for? it's a lot of fun. i don't know if you've ever had a chance to fire fully automatic weapons, but it's a blast. the first gun i ever fired was a stenn grease gun when i was 9. people who love shooting might be interested in owning something like that - firearm collectors too.

let me ask you something... what do people use fast cars for? it's a lot of fun, right? i mean, you don't need a fast car, but going to the track and running is a good time - is it not?


i don't see any reason to own a ten second car, but many of you do. i have seen many of you mention that you have been bitten by the "mod bug"... it's the same way for gun owners.
i guess your right its a hobby, but really an m-16. thats like the equivalant of a 3 second car.

and the fact that you can buy rocket launchers and grenades
i mean shooting is a hobby, people get entertained, but really when you are out blowing things up thats just not cool
and no ive never even touched a gun. i might try it though my brother has just recently gotten really interested in guns and has been going to shooting ranges.
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and the fact that you can buy rocket launchers and grenades
i mean shooting is a hobby, people get entertained, but really when you are out blowing things up thats just not cool
to each their own...

as long as the law keeps idiots from owning them, i'm happy - keep in mind that no crimes have been commited in America with legally owned class III weapons and or destructive devices.


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and no ive never even touched a gun. i might try it though my brother has just recently gotten really interested in guns and has been going to shooting ranges.
if you're ever in san antonio, let me know if you want to try shooting. i organize all the shooting meets for LSS...
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if you're ever in san antonio, let me know if you want to try shooting. i organize all the shooting meets for LSS...
is it really fun, i mean my brother loves it. he has been trying to get me to go but im not even sure i can. since you said you have to be 21, i will have to wait another year.
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is it really fun, i mean my brother loves it. he has been trying to get me to go but im not even sure i can. since you said you have to be 21, i will have to wait another year.
you don't have to be 21 to shoot.


you only have to be 21 if you want to buy a handgun, or a classIII weapon/destructive device.
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you don't have to be 21 to shoot.


you only have to be 21 if you want to buy a handgun, or a classIII weapon/destructive device.
is there anything i have to do to go shooting, like get some authorization of any kind or do i just go to the range and say that i want to shoot?
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is there anything i have to do to go shooting, like get some authorization of any kind or do i just go to the range and say that i want to shoot?
nope, you just walk up to the counter, pay whatever the range fee is, and shoot.

at the range LSS usually shoots at, it costs $3 to shoot handguns and rifles ;and $6 to shoot shotguns.
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nope, you just walk up to the counter, pay whatever the range fee is, and shoot.

at the range LSS usually shoots at, it costs $3 to shoot handguns and rifles ;and $6 to shoot shotguns.
fuvk it, im gonna tell my brother to take me next time he goes
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