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Old 03-31-2005, 01:01 PM   #1
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The ACLU needs to be vaporized

On Monday, the ACLU won a big victory when the Supreme Court allowed the liberal Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals (search) to throw out an Idaho law requiring parental consent for under age abortion. That of course undermines American parents which is exactly what the ACLU wants.

Want more? OK...

The ACLU believes any and all abortions should be legal.

It believes American borders should be open. And it may sue a citizen's group called the Minutemen which will begin patrolling the southern border on Friday.


The ACLU believes child pornography should be available on the Net. And it is also representing NAMBLA in a civil lawsuit in Massachusetts saying the North American Man-Boy Love Association has a right to print instructions on how to rape children.

The ACLU believes pornographic outlets should be located wherever they want in your neighborhood, next to a church, next to a school, no restrictions.

It believes the military can't stop open displays of homosexuality within its ranks.

It believes gay marriage and polygamy should be legalized.

It is suing Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld (search) over torture allegations.

And just today the ACLU criticized General Ricardo Sanchez (search) for the rough interrogation of some captured terrorists.

Are you getting all of this? Getting the picture?

It's quite apparent the American Civil Liberties Union wants a brand new America, where the gratification of the individual is paramount. In order to achieve that, the ACLU opposes all displays of religion on public property. It champions the secular and attacks judgment-based faith.

Finally, it is worth repeating a famous quote by the man who founded the ACLU, Roger Baldwin (search). This quote can be found in Baldwin's biography written by Peggy Lampson (search). Quote, "I am for socialism, disarmament and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property and the abolition of the propertied class."

I hope everybody understands just how dangerous this well-funded ACLU is to your freedom. They say they are looking out for you. Don't believe it.
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I think we all know how much I hate the ACLU
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i'm not a fan of the ACLU. but i am pro-choice, so i've got to agree with this most recent ruling.
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i'm not a fan of the ACLU. but i am pro-choice, so i've got to agree with this most recent ruling.
Are you kidding me? Parental consist AT THE VERY LEAST should be required before a under age girl under the control of her parents should be able to abort a baby.
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i'm not a fan of the ACLU. but i am pro-choice, so i've got to agree with this most recent ruling.
Parents have a right to know what is being done to their children!!!!

Pro Choice is not Late term Abortion!!! Late term Abortion is Murder

You are Pro Child Porn???

Tou are Pro letting everyone in the United states illegally!???
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****, wrong thread!
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hmm so what exactly does this group do??

I dunno I agree wit 3 points they made but the child porn one blows my mind away...why???
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hmm so what exactly does this group do??

I dunno I agree wit 3 points they made but the child porn one blows my mind away...why???

You dont get it do you. The ACLU is not about civil liberties it is for socialistic conmtrol of our country DID YOU READ THIS. Just curious what 3 do you agree with ???

Finally, it is worth repeating a famous quote by the man who founded the ACLU, Roger Baldwin (search). This quote can be found in Baldwin's biography written by Peggy Lampson (search). Quote, "I am for socialism, disarmament and ultimately for abolishing the state itself as an instrument of violence and compulsion. I seek social ownership of property and the abolition of the propertied class."
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The only argument I can agree with of theirs stated above is the legalization of polygamy. I wouldnt mind that.

other than that, the ACLU is just an oportunistic parasite. They just sue for the sake of suing some times. The ACLU, PETA, NAACP, and a few others really need to be broken up.
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Parents have a right to know what is being done to their children!!!!
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Pro Choice is not Late term Abortion!!! Late term Abortion is Murder
who said anyhting about late term abortion?

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You are Pro Child Porn???
where did this come from?

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You are Pro letting everyone in the United states illegally!???
once again, where are you getting this from?
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who said anyhting about late term abortion?

where did this come from?

once again, where are you getting this from?
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i'm not a fan of the ACLU. but i am pro-choice, so i've got to agree with this most recent ruling.
Exactly what did you mean????

The ACLU recently fought to overturn recent rules making Late Term Abortions Illegal.
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Exactly what did you mean????

The ACLU recently fought to overturn recent rules making Late Term Abortions Illegal.
look at your first post:

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On Monday, the ACLU won a big victory when the Supreme Court allowed the liberal Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals (search) to throw out an Idaho law requiring parental consent for under age abortion. That of course undermines American parents which is exactly what the ACLU wants.
i said that i agree with this ruling. i see nothing wrong with abortions. i could care less if the girl is 16 or 25.

where did you see me say anything about supporting late term abortions? where did you see me mention that child porn is okay? where did i say that i wanted the borders opened up?
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i said that i agree with this ruling. i see nothing wrong with abortions. i could care less if the girl is 16 or 25.

where did you see me say anything about supporting late term abortions? where did you see me mention that child porn is okay? where did i say that i wanted the borders opened up?
A 16 year old kid SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED A ABORTION without parental consent. OMG
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Well obviously I dont get it if I dont know for 100% sure what this group does.
The way I took that quote is that this group basically wants to over-ride the government for their own benefits?

What I agree in is....

The ACLU believes any and all abortions should be legal

(a womans body is her own she should be able to make that decision underage or not)


It believes the military can't stop open displays of homosexuality within its ranks

(I dont see why it has be to a closet issue, if your gay and as long as your doing displays with those like you why should you not do it I mean you risk getting your *** beat by another soldier but that should be their decision)

It believes gay marriage and polygamy should be legalized

(times are a changing its about time we stop worrying about so much about other people lives if it doesnt directly effect you dont worry about it....btw I have no clue what polygamy is)
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A 16 year old kid SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED A ABORTION without parental consent. OMG
why shouldnt she. a female hits puberty at an early age by 16 a female should know her body well enough. She made the decision of having sex then she should be able to make the decision to have an abortion without her rents knowing. **** you can go to any early parenthood clinic and they will give you the day after pill with no consent no nothing.
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i said that i agree with this ruling. i see nothing wrong with abortions. i could care less if the girl is 16 or 25.
I am not sure how old you are but I cant wait for your answer to cahnge when you have a 16 year old and you are not allowed to know what she is up to or if she checks into a clinic. OMG This is so stupid. Next thing is you will say it is alright for your 16 yr old to marry, drink or any other things adults do.

I am guessing you are under age!!! If not I feel sorry for you when you have kids
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The ACLU believes any and all abortions should be legal

(a womans body is her own she should be able to make that decision underage or not)
This woman also as the capability for common sense and has the ability to realize that when you have sex you risk becoming pregnant. If you take this risk and become pregnant looks like you just screwed up. Not going to give you a easy way out just because you aren't responsible.
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why shouldnt she. a female hits puberty at an early age by 16 a female should know her body well enough. She made the decision of having sex then she should be able to make the decision to have an abortion without her rents knowing. **** you can go to any early parenthood clinic and they will give you the day after pill with no consent no nothing.
Dude puberty is not a reflection of maturity. Dont get them confused. I guess you dont mind the fact that over 90% of teen marriages divorce with 2 years leaving mothers on WIC and many more social services and then you have the problem of what happens during the abortion she has internal bleeding and dies. Who is responsible and why are we leaving the parents out. Hey were is suzie. I dont know she did not come home last night. OH she is dead after a botched DNC and she bled to death!!!! Damn why is it we feel the need to fail. Social Programs have failed in this country because of the tearing apart of the family unit. Children should not have the same legal rights as adults and if you are a child you are under parental control PERIOD
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why shouldnt she. a female hits puberty at an early age by 16 a female should know her body well enough. She made the decision of having sex then she should be able to make the decision to have an abortion without her rents knowing. **** you can go to any early parenthood clinic and they will give you the day after pill with no consent no nothing.

Wow you have no idea how bad that sounds.

This country is so pathetic. Just give people the easy way out. Don't let them have ANY responsibility for their actions. Let's send a message to all teenagers that it's ok for you to go out and get laid because WE WILL LET YOU KILL THE BABY. can we say sexually transmitted diseases skyrocket? Can we say this country goes down the ****ter even more since 14-16 year old girls can get laid and go against THEIR PARENTS WISHES and have a abortion.

Christ

I am not pro choice or pro life. I am for abortions in Rape and Incest cases but they are very very small percentages of actual abortions performed. I am NOT religous and do not base my views on religion. I am sick of people taking no responsibility for their actions and I am sick of the aclu giving them a easy way out.
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Next thing is you will say it is alright for your 16 yr old to marry, drink or any other things adults do.
it was fine a few generations ago why is it taboo now? I know times have changed but kids were getting married at 14/15 years old.

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This woman also as the capability for common sense and has the ability to realize that when you have sex you risk becoming pregnant. If you take this risk and become pregnant looks like you just screwed up. Not going to give you a easy way out just because you aren't responsible.
But what about those times where a female was at the wrong place and time and she got raped and she doesnt want that bastard child. Would you go "hey thats tough live with it and have that baby"

There are already to many people having kids already. We dont need more. and if they feel they arent personally ready to have a kid why put them through it. Your setting them up to fail at life and bringing up their kids wrong. Thats where these social programs fail because of that.

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Dude puberty is not a reflection of maturity. Dont get them confused. I guess you dont mind the fact that over 90% of teen marriages divorce with 2 years leaving mothers on WIC and many more social services. Damn why is it we feel the need to fail. Social Programs have failed in this country because of the tearing apart of the family unit. Children should not have the same legal rights as adults and if you are a child you are under parental control PERIOD
In a weird way it is. a person becomes more mature once they start discovering themselves in a personal emotion and sexual levels. Fact that their are many failures is cause I was telling Brent above we want so much for parents to be in their lives and make judgements for them we basically set them up to fail.

EX. a girl gets preg she tells her rents they say she has to have it no matter what thats her issue and so forth but she never wanted it cause shes not in the right frame of mind mentally to deal with up bringing a kid. so she tells the bf that shes preg and he tells his rents and they tell him you have to marry her cause u made her preg and u better be daddy and so forth.

Get where im going with this. This is how ALOT of those failed marriages come from. from parents. (thats not all why marriages fail but im willing to bet a large % is cause what I just mentioned.

as for programs like I told brent we are basically setting up our kids to fail and they do so cause we force so much responiblity on them when these situations form. SO how can we say we shouldnt give kids the rights when they have adult responiblities
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I think we all know how much I hate the ACLU
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Wow you have no idea how bad that sounds.

This country is so pathetic. Just give people the easy way out. Don't let them have ANY responsibility for their actions. Let's send a message to all teenagers that it's ok for you to go out and get laid because WE WILL LET YOU KILL THE BABY. can we say sexually transmitted diseases skyrocket? Can we say this country goes down the ****ter even more since 14-16 year old girls can get laid and go against THEIR PARENTS WISHES and have a abortion.
ah hows what I said bad. so you rather have a bunch of immature underagers make a simple mistake and make them live with it. Grow their kids up wrong and more social bull**** later when me and you are adults. I wouldnt want that. I would rather have people who feel they at th etime can be a parent and gro wtheir kids up in a right frame of mind and a good moral way.

Look at where we are now their are millions of abortions every week has their been any STD epidimics in recent. Nope. Are STDs always around no matter what you make legal or not. I just dont see no uprise out of this cause abortions are still a closet situation. SO I think your statements would never make truth.
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But what about those times where a female was at the wrong place and time and she got raped and she doesnt want that bastard child. Would you go "hey thats tough live with it and have that baby"
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I am for abortions in Rape and Incest cases but they are very very small percentages of actual abortions performed.
^ read more of my other post

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There are already to many people having kids already. We dont need more. and if they feel they arent personally ready to have a kid why put them through it. Your setting them up to fail at life and bringing up their kids wrong. Thats where these social programs fail because of that.
Then how about we start getting through to these dead beat parents to raise their children with some self respect. How about we reform adoption policies to make it easier for "gays" to adopt children. These people want to adopt children but are being turned away.

How about we think about solving the problem rather than taking the easy way out and adding onto the problem.
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ah hows what I said bad. so you rather have a bunch of immature underagers make a simple mistake and make them live with it.
If they are underage and their parents do not consent to a abortion then yes it sucks for them. Parents have legal authority over their child and should know what is going on with their children involving legal matters.
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it was fine a few generations ago why is it taboo now? I know times have changed but kids were getting married at 14/15 years old.

My point exactly Parent pre arranged those marriages and they were not widely used mostly in rural america during the early 1800's when pioneering was in full swing and large families were forced to use this pratice because food was scarce and by marrying off a child they would be able to fend better. One aspect of this is typically girls were married off not boys. Boy assisted in help out on the farms. Girls were usually married off to older men with something to barter for like live stock, money or food or even a dwelling.
This pratice is unnecessary now.



But what about those times where a female was at the wrong place and time and she got raped and she doesnt want that bastard child. Would you go "hey thats tough live with it and have that baby"
I am for abortion in case of rape


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There are already to many people having kids already. We dont need more. and if they feel they arent personally ready to have a kid why put them through it. Your setting them up to fail at life and bringing up their kids wrong. Thats where these social programs fail because of that.
First off the waiting list for adopting healthy babies is 4 years in this country. That is why rich people go overseas to adopt. Stupid Abortion laws prevent this. I also did not say I was against abortion in this case. My complaint is the family has the right to know FOR ANY SURGICAL PROCEDURES DONE TO MINORS PERIOD!!!!



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In a weird way it is. a person becomes more mature once they start discovering themselves in a personal emotion and sexual levels. Fact that their are many failures is cause I was telling Brent above we want so much for parents to be in their lives and make judgements for them we basically set them up to fail.
Bull 16 year old girls dont know squat and that goes for boys also. all I have to do and read some of the dumb *** stuff kids do to know that. Maturity comes at different times for people but the fact remains a 16 year old girls is 2 years out of playing with dolls. Sorry I am not going to change my opinion on this. When I was 16 I did not know **** about life and the real world and that my friend has not changed. Parents are not perfect but I will side with parents rights every time.

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EX. a girl gets preg she tells her rents they say she has to have it no matter what thats her issue and so forth but she never wanted it cause shes not in the right frame of mind mentally to deal with up bringing a kid. so she tells the bf that shes preg and he tells his rents and they tell him you have to marry her cause u made her preg and u better be daddy and so forth.
I love this crap you call rents. It is parents or legal guardians HAHAHHA Rents make it sound like you can legally just walk away HAHAHHAHAHA
Sorry but parent should have the right. No a parent does not have the legal right to force marriage. this is when the law can step in help the girl.


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as for programs like I told brent we are basically setting up our kids to fail and they do so cause we force so much responiblity on them when these situations form. SO how can we say we shouldnt give kids the rights when they have adult responiblities
Responsible 16 year olds dont get pregnent strike one!!! You said that there are planned parenthood programs. I agree with free condoms and birth control. A smart 16 yr old would protect themselves from Pregnancy and Aids. Strike 2!!! Failures in life come in many forms least of which is parental supervision worse case examples really do nothing to help the need to bond the family unit. Some parents suck so do some children. Most kids grow up OK but some are rebellous. The fact is most girls getting pregnant at 16 are not the most mature so need more parental guidance because they evidently show little regard for themselves at 16 Strike 3!!!

So in a nutshell you helped prove my point 16 yr old girls who get pregnant are neither mature or ready to make legal or mature dicisions PERIOD

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I did not say that. I would never say that!!! Where did I say that ????

I am so very very confused?????HAHHAHAHHA
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Old 03-31-2005, 02:31 PM   #32
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I think your confused Corey.... I think he was responding to you explaining what the aclu stands for....
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I think your confused Corey.... I think he was responding to you explaining what the aclu stands for....
OH OK senior moment!!!HAHAHAHAA

I edited it for sanity
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Wow...this thread makes me sad. I can't believe we are letting organizations like this exist. From what I have read so far, the ACLU is basically just looking for something to make money off of. I am pro-life, against gay marriage, etc etc. You can call me conservative all day long and I'll stand up and prove why I am conservative. Girls who get pregnant know what's going on, and know how babies happen. If a girl is old enough to "decide" to have sex, she is old enough to raise a baby that comes from this action.
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I think your confused Corey.... I think he was responding to you explaining what the aclu stands for....
yeah just chose 1 from the list in the 1st post
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