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Old 04-21-2005, 03:05 AM   #1
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Holy Cow!
There is not one "funny" thing about that! Why would anyone find that amusing?
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anyone else notice that the driver is so "badazz" he even wears his racing pants halfway down his ***??? thats h4rdc0r3 y0. Anyway, if I was the owner of the car I would be looking for some sort of compensation if the track took so long to put the fire out because they didn't have the equipment or weren't prepared, especially since the idiots at the track charged him a $900 clean up fee.
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welll... his girlfriend got a pretty decent ***.
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They didn't charge him a $900 clean up fee...yet. They used up 15 fire extinguishers on this fire, then called the fire department. They have had fires before, and the fire extinguishers have always been able to handle it. About the only other thing the track can do to prepare for fires is spend 100g on a fire truck and have trained personel there to run it....and that's all very costly. The track handled it right, they did too much IMO. The guys running the track put their own lives in danger to try and save this guy's car. I say give the track personel a pat on the back and tell the driver to get a fire suppressent system if he's gonna be running nitrous. It was a nitrous backfire btw that melted the plastic fuel cell, igniting the fuel. Nitrous is just an accelerant, nothing more.
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welll... his girlfriend got a pretty decent ***.
That's his mother-in-law...the owner of the car lol
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From what I read the driver was going to sue the owner of the track for damages...he says they didn't do enough!
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thanks for the concern guys. Yes we did tow the car to the track in Don's trailer. Me and him are friends and get along well. He offered up the use of his truck and trailer so we took him up on the offer.

After getting the car back and going over eveything the cause of the fire is the aeromotive fuel rail. It has three brackets that bolt to the fuel rail and then the otherside of the bracket bolts to the head. The bolts that bolt to the fuel railed came out and let the fuel rail move enough to unseat the injectors and spray fuel into the engine back. Per the video the second bang is a back fire which ignited the fuel and started the fire. We talked to Aeromotive today and they said the bolts are supposed to have loctite from the factory.

The reason i took so long to slow the car and get out is i didn't realize it was on fire until flames kissed me feet. PLus the engine had already stalled and with no power brakes it is kinda hard to stop. I didn't smell anything burning and thought the white smoke i saw was oil smoke so i steered for the side of the track to get out of the groove.

There were no frantic adjustments made before this pass. John Shepherd was helping us out to adjust the shift linkage on the car because it was all out of whack and would not let me shift into 3rd or 4th very easily. The car was run down the track with no nitrous to make sure the alignment was on. The next run it went 11.0 @ 108 missing third and coasting after third because i had no 4th. I can tell you right now this car was way faster than last years car. I was only runnign 32 psi and a 100 shot versus 36 psi and 150shot from last year when i went 10.1 @ 141.
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smart ***,
why would you even think about posting this? Buschur had no idea what happened and had never even seen the car. We had a nitous back fire which blew the fuel rail off, then another which ignited the fuel as you can clearly hear and see in the video. I can show you pics of the fuel rail if you want all **** ****ed and the injectors unseated. Do some research this happens quite a bit on fuel injected cars running nitrous. Ryan woon ( fastest six speed supra in the world) had this happen to him late last year which started a fire, but was put out by the track crew.

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ok whats wrong with these statements...
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After getting the car back and going over eveything the cause of the fire is the aeromotive fuel rail. It has three brackets that bolt to the fuel rail and then the otherside of the bracket bolts to the head. The bolts that bolt to the fuel railed came out and let the fuel rail move enough to unseat the injectors and spray fuel into the engine back. Per the video the second bang is a back fire which ignited the fuel and started the fire. We talked to Aeromotive today and they said the bolts are supposed to have loctite from the factory.

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We had a nitous back fire which blew the fuel rail off, then another which ignited the fuel as you can clearly hear and see in the video. I can show you pics of the fuel rail if you want all **** ****ed and the injectors unseated.

ok thats 2 different stories...so which is it.
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wow thats insaine..atleast everyone is alrite tho
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Eh...dude needs to learn there's risks involved with running nitrous and over 30 freaking pounds of boost and shuthellup and move on.
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that sucks.... and as far as the fire the track is in the wrong, @ IRP here in Indy we dont have a FD just for the track, but for the city its in, so when they have a event the FD sends one truck (engine or grass rig) to do EMS and Fire.
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Hm...all the tracks around here just have extinguishers. I wouldn't mind sitting on a truck at drag events....might have to talk to the local track here and see what they say.
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nitrous and boost is actually an awesome combination, i saw a GST running 29psi use a 75 shot, and picked up ~120hp at the wheels

it just sounds like they didnt go over everything twice, or 3 times, a street legal car that is that fast, you gotta double check everything, theres more risk involved

i chalk one up for the "crew" not double checking
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The thing is though, we can point fingers to whomever, but we weren't there. But the track is sorta responsible, they didn't call the fire dept until they realized they didn't have it under control. By that time, the car is a loss. Cars are like older mobile homes, after 5 minutes, they're pretty much a total loss.
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that definitely sucks. I feel bad for the guy and the owner of the car.
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NOW do you guys understang how sh**y DSMs are....
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Someone loses their car, and all you guys can do is still come down on the make of car and the guy drivin. Have some freakin compassion. Wouldn't be as funny if your precious Mustang burned would it? Call it Karma or whatever you want, I'd watch what I say about certain things.
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crazy hes lucky he didnt get hurt
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Eh...dude needs to learn there's risks involved with running nitrous and over 30 freaking pounds of boost and shuthellup and move on.
werd. boost+nitrous=bad combination. even an experienced tuner **** happens.

Tbird232 have you ever seen the eclipse running hella nitrous on the stock t25@15psi? its running mid 10's i think. boost helps nitrous cause it compresses it closer. on a n/a car a 75 shout would roughly equal 75hp. on a turbo car runnign twice the atmospheric pressure(2bar, 28ish psi) it will double the amount of air going into the cylinders. so a 75 shot now has the ability to unleash 150hp.

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its not the dsm's fault. everyone remember the cobra whos nitrous pooled inside the intake and backfired and blew the manifold apart? so i guess its cause the cobra is a piece of **** cause thats where youre getting at. the guy who owns that dsm is more than likely one of the better tuners out there if hes running alongside john shephard. i

i think its just a freak accident that could happen to anyone. for anyone to believe there arent any risks in nitrous or even modding a car as so should not be touching one.
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werd. boost+nitrous=bad combination. even an experienced tuner **** happens.

Tbird232 have you ever seen the eclipse running hella nitrous on the stock t25@15psi? its running mid 10's i think. boost helps nitrous cause it compresses it closer. on a n/a car a 75 shout would roughly equal 75hp. on a turbo car runnign twice the atmospheric pressure(2bar, 28ish psi) it will double the amount of air going into the cylinders. so a 75 shot now has the ability to unleash 150hp.
nitrous also helps boost because its acts as an "intercooler", nitrous is rather cold, and taking any significant amounts of heat out of the air charge will make significant gains, same reason guys run C02 sprayers, and ive actually seen nitrous sprayed across an intercooler with the same results, a colder, more dense charge, which increases power on top of the gains nitrous would already give
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Someone loses their car, and all you guys can do is still come down on the make of car and the guy drivin. Have some freakin compassion. Wouldn't be as funny if your precious Mustang burned would it? Call it Karma or whatever you want, I'd watch what I say about certain things.
Agreed! :yup:

But I do have a problem with the driver trying blame the track, these guys should know the risks of racing before they ever get behind the wheel.

The Track is open for the purpose of allowing you to drive your car in a way you couldn't on the street. Why should they be to blame if someone chooses of there own freewill to drive there?
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Agreed! :yup:

But I do have a problem with the driver trying blame the track, these guys should know the risks of racing before they ever get behind the wheel.

The Track is open for the purpose of allowing you to drive your car in a way you couldn't on the street. Why should they be to blame if someone chooses of there own freewill to drive there?
the driver/crew was probably responsible for the fire (or could have been a freak accident), but the track was responsible for letting the fire go on that long. My local track (carolina dragway) is not the largest track in the world by any stretch of the imagination and they always have a fire truck there. If I worked at that track I would probably be calling 911 after the first 1 or 2 fire extinguishers didn't do anything, but after 15, give me a break. a sub-10 second car should probably have a fire suppression system though.
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there's no law saying they have to have anything there to put out nitrous-accelerated fires aside from fire extinguishers

anything this guy throws at them won't hold up in court unless the judge is an *******
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the driver/crew was probably responsible for the fire (or could have been a freak accident), but the track was responsible for letting the fire go on that long. My local track (carolina dragway) is not the largest track in the world by any stretch of the imagination and they always have a fire truck there. If I worked at that track I would probably be calling 911 after the first 1 or 2 fire extinguishers didn't do anything, but after 15, give me a break. a sub-10 second car should probably have a fire suppression system though.
Yeah I agree the track should have called the F.D. MUCH sooner, but the driver shouldn't be trying to sue the track owner for a fire that might not have even happened if he had taken the step of putting in the suppression system in the first place.
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and i didn't even think about the waiver, so i take back everything i said, and this guy is pretty much SOL
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nitrous acclerated fire????? it may have started the fire but thats it nitrous isnt flammable
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nitrous acclerated fire????? it may have started the fire but thats it nitrous isnt flammable
No, but nitrous does contain oxygen which just adds to the amount of fuel needed to let a flame burn. Without Oxygen, there is no fire...extra oxygen=stronger fire...hence the reason more air into an engine = more violent explosion = more hp. The extra 02 would just make it that much harder to blanket the flames.

The waiver should pretty much cover the track unless the judge is the dudes relative or something.

Our track back home had 1 FD truck and an ambulance at every track event whether it be test n tune or a real event. Then again, it is an IHRA track.
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yup i dont care what kind of car it is id let it burn too. no matter how little a fire like that is, by the time the flames are put out, the cars totalled anyways. might as well make a example out of him on the dangers of stuff like nitrous. i bet every onlooker said "**** nitrous" after witnessing that.

and he signed a waiver stating any damage to himself or the car is NOT covered by the track or its employees. anything that happens at the track is all up to you, if you get sideways and slam into a wall, better hope your insurance doesnt have anything against drag racing.

btw that dude is NOT on dsmtuners. im sure after reading what people say about him he wont be joining anytime soon.
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