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03/04 Cobra smokes the LS1 12 33.33%
03/04 Cobra edges the LS1 16 44.44%
LS1 smokes the 03/04 Cobra 0 0%
LS1 edges the 03/04 Cobra 0 0%
It's close...a Drivers race 8 22.22%
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Old 05-06-2005, 10:50 AM   #1
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Stock 03/04 Cobra vs Stock LS1

Ok, my Who's Next thread has made me start pondering. A few have made claims that the 03/04 cobra in that picture would lose to all, or some, of the F-Bodies shown. This poll is to find out what everyone thinks why people think that.

Assuming both cars are bone stock, who wins? We can't take into account mods, because we don't know any mods on any of those cars. Obviously, I am sure some are modded in some manner, but, I am sure the cobra is modded as well and pushing close to 475-500 at the wheels. So, let's leave mods out.

Anyone have any thoughts here?
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cobra hands down would win stock to stock I dont think theirs any arguement about it. the LS1 isnt all that mighty and powerful...till you mod it :yup:
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thats tough, because ive seen a 12.82 out of a bone stock 2002 WS6 with a 6-speed, even had a paper element filter in the airbox still, with an awesome driver

around here, 03 cobras dont stay stock long, guys are quick to throw a cold air, catback, and a pulley on the things, so i have no personal experience with seeing the 03/04 cobras stock
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Ill take the cobra... stock for stock not to far off but the cobra is fAR cheaper to mod and you get MUCH MUCH more hp/tq out of it with just littel bolt ons.
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i say drivers race.

both cars are capible of doing low low 13's in stock form. the cobra has alot of low-mid power, but the ls1 pulls hard in the uppers.
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I would guess the Cobra, but I don't really know. I've got an almost stock '02 LS1 if anybody's got a stock Cobra in North Alabama.
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Stock for stock The 03-04 Cobra has the advantage. However a simple spray on the LS1 and the LS1 is a winner. I will have to argue the Chevy 350 no matter how dated it is is by far the better engine than a 4.6 or the 5.0 period. Chevy may make some crappy cars but their engines and tranny's rule. now the 5.8 351 is close but the chevy has it beat simply because of shear numbers and the availability of cheap parts. Ford had to many variants of the engine. The only differences in Chevy small blocks was the adaption of larger main journals in 1970 other than the everything is interchangable. Ford has not ever been able to do that
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i think the 03/04 cobra edges it out for a few reasons (keep in mind stock vs stock)

more hp
more tq
both 6-speeds w/ similar gearing
very close in weight

i have seen a damn good cobra driver run 12.6x at the local dragstip on a good night. the fastest stock f-body i have seen at the track ran a 13.0.
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I will have to argue the Chevy 350 no matter how dated it is is by far the better engine than a 4.6 or the 5.0 period.
argue all you like, because the LS1 isnt the common smallblock

the LS1 is its own engine, not based off of anything other than the LS1, in the f-bodies, its all aluminum, 4 bolt mains (i heard 6 bolt at one time, but im not sure), amazingly reinforced, the heads flow like hell out of the box, with some ported, polish, chamber work, and some other odds and ends, the car will scream

the LS1 is an amazing engine
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Man that would be a good race but i still say the 03/04 cobra would not smoke but it would more than edge out a stock ls1. If u would want to see a really close race how bout an 03/04 cobra go up against the new 05 400hp gto. the older gtos were pigs and nothing special btu they say these new gtos will haul it. I think a ls1 up against a 03/04 mach1 would be a very interesting race more than it wuld be if the ls1 went up against the cobra
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Stock for stock The 03-04 Cobra has the advantage. However a simple spray on the LS1 and the LS1 is a winner.
Corey, I'm surprised to see you make a statement like that.
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argue all you like, because the LS1 isnt the common smallblock

the LS1 is its own engine, not based off of anything other than the LS1, in the f-bodies, its all aluminum, 4 bolt mains (i heard 6 bolt at one time, but im not sure), amazingly reinforced, the heads flow like hell out of the box, with some ported, polish, chamber work, and some other odds and ends, the car will scream

the LS1 is an amazing engine
Well I am not wrong I can take the whole rotating assembly out of the engine and stick it in any any of the 350's. Sure the heads and intakes have changed but internally they have not. But I can mount new heads on the older engines or the other way around. The fact is aluminum 350's have been available thru Chevy Power as well as aluminum 427's.
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Corey, I'm surprised to see you make a statement like that.
Why!!!! I built Camaros for 15 years all 350's. In 1994 I saw the new Mustang bodies and that was the first time I liked the stang over the Camaro. My cousin was a stang guy and was always spend more money than me and never could beat my cars MUHAHAHAHHAHA.

But times change and the Stang became a better built, better looking car!!!!
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i dont know much about 350s, so maybe i am wrong, but parts for 5.0s are pretty damn cheap too. and you can bolt pretty much anything from a 1968 302 onto a 1995 302 and vice versa.
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Corey, im not gonna call bull**** on you, because im not sure, im gonna do some homework, and ask my buddy about the roatating assembly swap, as far as i know, it cant be done, but im not sure
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The only thing that the LS1's and the older SBC's (LT1 all the way back) is the number of cylinders.
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Corey, im not gonna call bull**** on you, because im not sure, im gonna do some homework, and ask my buddy about the roatating assembly swap, as far as i know, it cant be done, but im not sure
The fact is all the small block engines from the 283, 302,305,307,327 and 350 are all interchangable except for the changes in the Journals in 1970. If the LS1 has something making it different other than upper assembly I would be suprised. It is still the same push rod block.

As for calling BS go ahead, but I have built more Chevy small block engines than you, Nick, Brent, Jimmy and Zim ages combined. My limits of knowledge of the last couple of years on the small block is mostly Ignition, Fuel injection and intakes. I am sure the accessories attachment points might have changed some also.
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This is where the 41-year-old Mouse motor and the new LS1 split genes. The new small-block shares nothing more than the same 4.40-inch bore spacing when it comes to the engine’s design. Frankly, except for the hydraulic-roller lifters and rod bearings, nothing interchanges with the previous small-block
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Ok so from 1955 to 1995 40 years the small block Chevy were interchangable and the LS1 is the exception. Do you realize how many variants of small block Fords came out in that time that are not interchangable. Hell the 19701/2 LT-1 motor in the Z-28 was rated 360 factory but dynoed over 400RWHP
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As for calling BS go ahead, but I have built more Chevy small block engines than you, Nick, Brent, Jimmy and Zim ages combined. My limits of knowledge of the last couple of years on the small block is mostly Ignition, Fuel injection and intakes. I am sure the accessories attachment points might have changed some also.
yes, you may have been building them for years, but dont doubt someone due to lack of experience, ive build about 3 of em, and done a heads and cam in an LS1, nothing alike...they dont even share the opti-spark of the LT1's, and the LT1 still uses the orginial design of the small block

and the link Mark pointed out proves me to be correct about the LS1 being totally different
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yes, you may have been building them for years, but dont doubt someone due to lack of experience, ive build about 3 of em, and done a heads and cam in an LS1, nothing alike...they dont even share the opti-spark of the LT1's, and the LT1 still uses the orginial design of the small block

and the link Mark pointed out proves me to be correct about the LS1 being totally different
Never put down anyone. I stated I did not have all the info on the LS1 and I was not aware of the totally redesigned block in 95. At that time my mechanical experiences were in Jet engines and pre LS1 motors. I am now a Ford guy unless someone wants me to build them a chevy or Volvo engine. I am still toying with a 5.4 or 5.8 engine build in the future. But who knows

I also enjoyed the link it is no in my data base for future reference
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they are 346s not 350s in the newer ones
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Why!!!! I built Camaros for 15 years all 350's. In 1994 I saw the new Mustang bodies and that was the first time I liked the stang over the Camaro. My cousin was a stang guy and was always spend more money than me and never could beat my cars MUHAHAHAHHAHA.

But times change and the Stang became a better built, better looking car!!!!
Not that the Mustang would get beat, just that you said someting about adding a spray and it being no contest. Duh... lol. You can always say, "Yeah, let me just add this to my car" and beat somebody you can't stock.
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Not that the Mustang would get beat, just that you said someting about adding a spray and it being no contest. Duh... lol. You can always say, "Yeah, let me just add this to my car" and beat somebody you can't stock.
"oh yeah.......just wait till i putz mah five turboz on dis v-teck wit my 1,000 shot nitrous system........i'm gonna ownz j00 fool."

i heard this from a civic driver after i beat him
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Do you realize how many variants of small block Fords came out in that time that are not interchangable.
the 289 and 302 are interchangable, and i am pretty sure the 260 is also. most stuff on the 351w is interchangable, buts its a little bit wider, but will still bolt into a car in place of another small block.
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the 289 and 302 are interchangable, and i am pretty sure the 260 is also. most stuff on the 351w is interchangable, buts its a little bit wider, but will still bolt into a car in place of another small block.
But all Chevy small blocks were interchangable up until the LS1 in 95 and in the 80's all GM vehicles with V8's were Chevy small blocks. As i was getting to in past posts was this was what made building Chevy V8's so much cheaper and less expensive. Just look at the cost of aftermarket parts
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bolt on parts seem to be equally priced, (heads, carbs, intakes) but i havent looked into other stuff
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Not that the Mustang would get beat, just that you said someting about adding a spray and it being no contest. Duh... lol. You can always say, "Yeah, let me just add this to my car" and beat somebody you can't stock.
All the cobra has to do is spray the same amount and I bet it beats the LS1
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All the cobra has to do is spray the same amount and I bet it beats the LS1
your point = my point.
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your point = my point.
Werd just simplifying it for Corey.. cause we all know he is slow sometimes
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Slow MUHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA. Like it was said anything can be made fast and a stock 03/04 Cobra beats a LS1. I just think Chevy makes better engines and tranny's but they suck *** at body design and interior quality with the exception of the Vette!!!
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they suck *** at body design and interior quality with the exception of the Vette!!!
Lick my balls you trick-*** hoe, skimp and skallywag!
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Lick my balls you trick-*** hoe, skimp and skallywag!
Why is it they dont make your car any more!!!!! No sales
Why has GM lost 1.1 Billion dollars in the first 3 months of 2005!!! Tell me with the exception of the new Cobalt and GTO why do all the GM cars look like crap!!! NOBODY IS BUYING THEM!!!!

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It was a joke, calmn down.
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