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Old 07-13-2005, 05:31 PM   #1
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okay, i need some truthful opinions here. i talked to a friend who has a 99 T/A with the WS6 package along with the ram air hood. he is wanting to get rid of it, for reasons not involving the car.

this car has 65k miles on it. its a 6-speed. i am supposed to be meeting up with him tommorrow for lunch to talk about selling my stereo. but if i look at this car and its in just as good physical condition as my car, should i see about a trade. sorry i dont have more info on his car, but i do have kbb blue books on both our cars and his is $30 more, thats it.

in the end, is this a worthwile trade?

i think like this:
i will be getting a manual
i will be getting a V8
i will be gettin a car that handles better, and sound better than my car
i will also be trading an 04 with 40k miles for a 99 with 65k miles.

if the car is in just as good physical condition as mine, is it worth it?

please list any advantages/disadvantages. personally, i like both body styles so it really doesnt bother me there.
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To be honest, it would be a trade worthwhile IMO if the car is in good shape. You will get better gas mileage in the WS6, the only thing is, you won't have a stang anymore..
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Yeah, but i Think this is the one he is trading for...
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Seriously though, I wouldn't. Not sure of the gas mileage issue as I would think you would get less in a V8 then you would a tuned V6 even tho it is an auto. But, I say no even though it is a V8...but you knew that already.
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hrm.

tough decision.

auto v6 or manual LS1.
16's or 13's

some pics would help too.
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i personally would not do it if i were in your shoes because well i just love mustangs for 1 but i think its more impressive to see a fast v6 then a fast v8 but whatever your decision good luck!!
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hrm.

tough decision.

auto v6 or manual LS1.
16's or 13's

some pics would help too.

i dont have any pics, i'll try to get some tommorrow if he is in the T/A

its faster yes, but its got 25k more miles.


how good is the LS1 overall?
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DO IT

then again i LOVE T/A's
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I say, Do it! I average 20mpg (when I calculate at the end of every tank) and put 300 to the wheels, bone stock. I love my TA. Haven't had any trouble out of mine in the just over a year I've had it (33k on the clock, 26k in my possesion).
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I have friends who average 28 in SS's and TA's...dunno what your problem is lol
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they are faster if thats what you want, but I wouldnt trade for one, I would get something else, but its your call. It wont have any sort of warranty so make sure you know what you are getting into.

I wouldnt do it cuz I am a stang guy, but that shouldnt stop you if you dont want to be in the mustang circle.
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^sadly i think thats right.
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that totaly depends on how you measure it. And you cant measure it anymore... cuz they arnt around
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o btw i would prolly go ahead and get it
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03/04 Cobra > Ls1 = Mach 1 4V > 4V > 2V
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The LS1 is stupid easy to get 400+ hp out of and better than V6 Stang mileage.

Since it's a TA I'd go for it, I hate Camaros myself.

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you dont buy a v6 mustang for gas milage lol
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03/04 Cobra > Ls1 = Mach 1 4V > 4V > 2V
non supercharged LS6 = 03/04 cobra
supercharged LS6 >>>>> 03 cobra.

stop idlizing the 03/04 cobra. its basically a cobra engine with a blower on it. Heck, a camaro/TA/vette could come stock w/ a blower and it would destroy the cobra. And an LS1's top end can only really be matched by a single turbo supra. especially if the LS1 has heads and cam. The LS1 engine is better than Ford's engines
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alot of ppl do, as sad as that is.
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I have friends who average 28 in SS's and TA's...dunno what your problem is lol
Heavy foot and an auto.
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you dont buy a v6 mustang for gas milage lol
hah and its not like you buy one for the performance factor.
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hah and its not like you buy one for the performance factor.
yea, kind of like how people dont buy DSMs for the reliability factor.
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you dont buy a v6 mustang for gas milage lol
Ok, you don't buy it for gas....you don't buy it for performace...why do people buy it then? Let's do away with them. lol.

Just for fun though,

Current 05 mustangs MPG:
V6 = 19/28
V8 = 17/25

V6 has better mileage.

2004 V6 MPG: 20/29
1999 Trans Am: 19/28

V6 edges it again in stock form. Having the tune, UD pullies, and CAI or Air Filter will increase the V6's edge by another mile or two, maybe 3. Not to mention that when you have the manual V8, odds of driving like a normal human being are much less (as I well know) which kills your mileage as well.

Moral of the story...stay away from the dark side...no good will come of it...even if you supercharge that door stop.

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I'd love to say stick with the v6 stang...cuz it's a stang, but i dunno what I would do in this matter, no wait, I do...I'd keep the stang and be happy, too much time and money invested to stop now.
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non supercharged LS6 = 03/04 cobra
supercharged LS6 >>>>> 03 cobra.

stop idlizing the 03/04 cobra. its basically a cobra engine with a blower on it. Heck, a camaro/TA/vette could come stock w/ a blower and it would destroy the cobra. And an LS1's top end can only really be matched by a single turbo supra. especially if the LS1 has heads and cam. The LS1 engine is better than Ford's engines
You're still kind of comparing apples and oranges here. I agree an LS1 would beat a 4V Cobra, but the 4V cobra is only a 281ci engine. The LS1 is a 350ci engine. That's a HUGE difference. You're talking about 70ci. If you wanna turn the tables they you could compare a 428 cobra jet to an LS1. The bigger engine is usually always going to make more horsepower. And Ford, Chevy, Dodge tunes down the engine horsepower. Ford tuned the 03's down to pave the way for the new shelby. If the new shelby has less hp that older cobras, then it wouldn't be a big deal. Plus there aren't maybe mass produced cars that come stock with close to or over 400hp from the factory that are reasonably priced. I can only think of two at the moment. The Cobra and the Vette. But the point is there really isn't a horsepower war anymore like there used to be. GM decided to call it quits for the most part and dropped the line of the Camero and the Firebird, and now only the Mustang is around. The only real way IMO is to compare two engine of basically the same size. You could do the 351W to the 350, then I would call it even or the 305 to the 302.
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yea, kind of like how people dont buy DSMs for the reliability factor.
at least 1g's for that matter. who expects a 15 year old car to make 500hp yet still be as reliable as a honda/toyota is beyond me. anytime you make power youre doing so at the cost of reliablity. if you dont understand that you shouldnt be modding cars.
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that totaly depends on how you measure it. And you cant measure it anymore... cuz they arnt around
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I'd love to say stick with the v6 stang...
yeah i'm gonna say that too. i was just surfing for quotes (maybe i should have before i asked) but it was just to get an idea if it was a good idea. so anyway, i was doin some searching and check this **** out........the CHEAPEST quote is like $350/mo for a t/a. this is the recommended quote, its the "middle grade" quote, if you will.




so given this its either have an apt and an 04 mustang, or live at home and have a 99 t/a..............i think i am gonna choose the apt/stang
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non supercharged LS6 = 03/04 cobra
supercharged LS6 >>>>> 03 cobra.

stop idlizing the 03/04 cobra. its basically a cobra engine with a blower on it. Heck, a camaro/TA/vette could come stock w/ a blower and it would destroy the cobra. And an LS1's top end can only really be matched by a single turbo supra. especially if the LS1 has heads and cam. The LS1 engine is better than Ford's engines
I'll idolize it if I wish.. its an awsome car that puts out 390rwhp stock with only 281 CI and with 1 more grand your looking at 500rwhp easily.

That is ****ing awsome to me.

And hey.. its still around too.
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You will keep the v6 gnow, I command it.
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I would have to say that the extra cost of insurance isn't going to be too bad, I would definitely go for it. I love Mustangs and can't stand the LS1's interior, however, the Ram Air T/As are great looking cars. And there is no denying the power they make. A HCI LS1 can get ridiculously fast, really quick.

As far as the 03/04 Cobra & LS6 comparison... the LS6 definitely are quick cars stock. But the 03/04 Cobras come with a stock bottom end that is damn near bullit proof. I've seen stock block Cobra's running 21 lbs of boost and making ~650 rwhp. It really just depends on what you want from the car I guess...
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dooo it.

i love the WS6 package, especially the gold color.
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All the 4V/Cobra/everything else comparisons are pointless. The discussion isn't about whether he should get a Cobra or a Mach or a Fox or a TA, it's between the '04 V6 and the '99 TA. I know which one I'd pick.
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He's keeping the v6, convo over. Why? cuz I said so, shut up GNOW!!!
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All the 4V/Cobra/everything else comparisons are pointless. The discussion isn't about whether he should get a Cobra or a Mach or a Fox or a TA, it's between the '04 V6 and the '99 TA. I know which one I'd pick.
You give me a choice between that car and my car with my new engine in it, tranny, and new paint job and I know which one I am picking too... it costs less and I pay less per month insurance... and I get what I want out of it.. a Mustang and a fast car.
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