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Old 12-23-2009, 12:39 PM   #1
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The Real Rules of War:

Pretty good article. Worth the read.

Warren Kozak: The Real Rules of War - WSJ.com
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Very good article
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Yea, very good read. In my opinion, the Geneva Convention is BULL****! The SEALS mentioned in the acticle, shoulda just put a round in that tango mother****er's head! Honestly, the "supieriors" that are allowing the court martials to take place, should be executed in the middle of the damned road!
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Re: The Real Rules of War:

Good article, in my opinion F the rules go for the win!
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Re: The Real Rules of War:

The problem is we shouldn't be putting soldiers in that place to begin with unless absolutely necessary.
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Re: The Real Rules of War:

yea, so many stupid things are done to punish those that are doing the right things
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Re: The Real Rules of War:

Politicians "running" the war = FAIL!
LET THE POLITICIANS DO THE POLITICING...............
AND LET THE WARRIORS DO THE WARRING!
We coulda been done with Iraq during the "Gulf War" era, if the war had been run by actual soldiers. But instead, they let that stupid *** Colin Powell call the shots, just to help with his political aspirations. Now look! We've been BACK over there for how many years? YEA! Tell me someone didn't turn this into a goat****!!
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We should have never been in the Gulf War. It's not Americas business that the Middle East is a cluster ****. It's Americas fault for relying on oil from the Middle East though, which is the entire reason we give a **** about what happens there.

Anyone that thinks this is for Democracy is delusional.
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Re: The Real Rules of War:

I should have learned my lesson by now but I'm going to have to disagree with you Brent. While not the entire reason I think it's mostly due to Israel.
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I should have learned my lesson by now but I'm going to have to disagree with you Brent. While not the entire reason I think it's mostly due to Israel.
Sure, Israel does play a role too. It's not entirely oil but oil does play a large part. Oil and Religion.

Good old Religion being the cause of war.
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But don't you think if it was big about oil we would have seen a price drop in fuel prices and heating oil? *genuinely asking*
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hell no! why drop the prices, when you can jack em up, and make the rich even richer?
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But don't you think if it was big about oil we would have seen a price drop in fuel prices and heating oil? *genuinely asking*
Oil is a national security issue. It's not that we went over there for cheap oil, we don't want bad guys in control of something we consume so much of and rely on.
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Re: The Real Rules of War:

Very good article, isn't that some **** about the Seals. Thats ****ed!!!
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Good article for sure.
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Re: The Real Rules of War:

That's a good article. I have been deployed to Iraq for a total of 28 months, 2 different tours and the rules suck. But, if you have good leaders you can actually do your job without worrying about the rules, don't get me wrong we try to follow the rules even though they are bull**** but sometimes it is impossible.
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Re: The Real Rules of War:

Damn good article. I always love these people who have never served in the armed forces or fought in a war criticize soldiers and reprimand what they do and don't do during war...like they have a clue...they've never seen the things soldiers have seen or been put in the situations soldiers have been put in. War is hell, pure and simple, it pisses me off that a bunch of ******** can sit here in with peace and mind and criticize those who are defending them.

The worst part is I'm 20 and I hear these things from too many people my age...its ridiculous.
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That's a good article. I have been deployed to Iraq for a total of 28 months, 2 different tours and the rules suck. But, if you have good leaders you can actually do your job without worrying about the rules, don't get me wrong we try to follow the rules even though they are bull**** but sometimes it is impossible.
THAT is the problem. There are entirely too many "non-leaders" in lead positions. Granted, it's been that way throughout history, which makes it obvious that we'll never learn from our mistakes. A REAL leader, would tell his superior to get ****ed, if he came down on his men. A real leader would take accountability for the actions of his men, not just roll-over and let the liberal tree-hugging ****ers screw our soldiers everytime they make a mistake.
To you Sir, and to all of our other soldiers across the globe, both combatants and support, I will say "Thank you for the sacrifices that you make each and every day!"
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Re: The Real Rules of War:

Nice article but...

The difference between then and now is the generation. Never before, or ever since has the country, even it's media, singularly united under one goal as much as it did for World War II. It was called the Greatest Generation for a reason.

Now, one problem is half the journalists following American troops around, aren't even Americans themselves. Journalism is all about making a fast buck and if that is by disrespecting a known constant, then they will do it.

The only reason the Seals are getting a Court Martial is because of the attention. They will more than likely get off or given mild punishment, but if their names are ever well known, that wont be repaired.
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Well honestly people believed in the government back then so it was easier to have national pride. The government is more "the man" now than it ever was back then, whether that is right or just because of the rabid partisan pundits or whatever, its reality
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As someone who served during Desert Storm, you folks are forgetting why we went in the first place. It wasn't about oil (that's liberal propaganda), it was because Iraq invaded Kuwait. We aren't in Iraq and Afghanistan now because of oil, either. We have enough oil in Alaska to serve our needs for the next 100 years, but the tree huggers won't "allow" us to get at it, and the fools on the hill go along with them. Anyway, like it or not, the U.S. is the standard bearer for freedom around the world, and we go to places like the middle east to try and help folks who have no say in their lives. We try to give them the right to speak their minds (like you folks here take for granted) without fear of imprisonment or worse. The kids in our military know that and accept the risks, and they are all volunteers. With all of the crap they put up with, like stupid rules of engagement and no support from this administration, they still continue to serve and they do the best that they are allowed to do. I don't mind anyone's opinion on the wars, but do some homework first before simply saying we're after oil. If that was true, why didn't we just take Iraq's oil?
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I agree with you Metallicmist but I have had 2 tours in Iraq once as a private and once as a sergeant. Therefore I have seen both sides of the story. The only problem is that the people there don't want our democracy put we are trying to push it on them. I have personally talked with some of leaders of Iraq and they don't want us there but they don't want us to leave because they know once we leave all hell is going to break loose. The biggest thing that gets to me is all our politicians tell Americans that we are there fighting for the freedoms of America when truly we are fighting for the freedoms of the Iraqi people, the people that are killing us!
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First and foremost, thank you for your service, 99. I'm glad you made it home safely. Your comments are right on the money, and I agree with you. My main ***** about the whole affair is that our so-called "leadership" doesn't have the balls to turn you kids loose to do what you do best: hunt and kill. Political correctness is killing our country, as well as our service members. The SEAL thing is ridiculous; I wouldn't blame any of them if they just up and walked away when their enlistments are up. I do believe that the only reason we're still in Iraq is to keep the Iranians out. I could go on and on, but I get so damned irritated about the whole state of affairs with our government that I think it's best to just leave it alone. Regardless, thank you again for your service, and for having the courage to answer your country's call. I salute you, Sarge.
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