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Old 12-15-2005, 01:28 PM   #1
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My power adder question. I am ditching the n20 & saving for a blower. I just want to know if i should get the novi 2000 or s trim. Which spits out more psi?
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If you want to make a decision based on PSI alone, you have a lot more homework to do.
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homework? I am getting my forged shortblock soon & I want a blower that runs at least 20 psi. If the s trim or novi 2000 doesnt huff 20psi then I might as well get the t-trim.
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:42 PM   #10
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I have built 3 347 motors with my friend..that doesnt mean I know everything. I dont know how to build a 4.6 yet. I know there are more tools coming out to make the process easier with the two timing chains & there are newer ways to add the cams. My internet is down at my work right now. I can only stay in this site. I just thought someone would know the question off the top of their head. Not exact specs.
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:mod: or one will soon

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Who are you to say i deserve it or not? Is it because I didnt know the answer to your specific question? Grow up.

Ive build two small block chevies, building a 5.0, done top end swaps on turbo chryslers, everything but pulling a head off of turbo fords, worked on my share of diesels, done more suspension work than you can imagine, done a 5-speed swap in a trans am, heads, cam, intake swap in an LS1 car...i could go on for hours about the hands on i have, but i guess it means i dont know anything doesnt it?

But like i said, PSI alone isnt what you want when building a forced induction engine. You could blow 20psi all day, but if its out of the blowers efficiency range, all youre doing is blowing super heated air that will do nothing more than run you the risk of blowing up your engine, forged internals or not. Ive seen too many pistons become ashtrays because people feel that PSI alone is what makes power.

Thats why i suggested, do more homework and research to find out whats best for what you want to do. You could probably find a setup that will make the power you want, on less PSI, less heat, and less stress. You have to be able to flor air efficently at your desired PSI range, you have pressure, and you have air flow. If you learn to read a compressor map, youll understand that a bit more, and how it works.

What are you doing for heads? Cams? What is the compression ratio of your forged internal 4.6L? Do you plan on running an intercooler or sorts, what kind of fuel system are you going to run? Injectors? Pump?

Like i said, its all homework. A well thought, well researched, well matched setup will work better than a setup thats just thrown together.
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go to www.stangnet.com www.corral.net for other sources of information. Dont post again in here with the intention to talk crap about one another... just let it go. We have many very knowledgable people on this site, just give them some time and im sure someone can point you in the right direction.
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:09 PM   #15
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Ya I am just gonna throw it together with no tune. kinda like putting legos together right? If I am running 20 psi, I am gonna be super cautious. I am gonna have several dyno runs doen with precise tuning. When I get my laptop I will have several tunes in there ready to download into my programmer. I will run 6 psi around town & 20 or so at the track. I will have the elevation in there & everything. I will do a pulley change, then do the download for what ever psi i run with the 3600ft elevation. I want it perfect. I have done some homework.
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extreme modifying has never been somethign im into, to many things that can go wrong and to much money to keep them right or fix them when they go wrong lol. A nice car with good mods, not over the top, is where im gonna go. Seems every mod I do to my car... i get more problems lol
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Old 12-15-2005, 03:48 PM   #17
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me too, once i got my mass-air. I just want it to be safe from any harm. (hopefully)
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:04 PM   #18
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T-BIRD, **edited** Not to argue with you, but basically I am going to have the same combo as "Project Ice Box" from MM&FF. But without cams (cause of California) & with a different tune. I will soon add cams when I soon say to myself "screw smog" & add them on later, once I get familair with my motor more.
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you have a write up on that article? I dont keep up on the magazines because they follow way to many trends.
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http://musclemustangfastfords.com/ go to project cars, "ice box"
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thats alot of editing
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there is more to supercharger than how much boost they can spit.
personally if i was you, i would go with a novi 2000 i know for a fact that they can run 20 psi because i have seen people with them at the trck. also they seem to be very efficient. im not sure if they come intercooled, but that would be a good addition if they dont. and the tune, yeah man do as much tuning as you can with someone you know has expirience with blown sohc 4.6's
maybe you can even us your nitrou to sparay into the intercooler while at the trck, that way you cool the air which is going in your engine.
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btw where are you getting the forged motor from?
and if you want good track times i suggest, bulding a 31 spline rear end with an eaton posi.
run some dr's or slicks would be better.
and a tko-600 tranny, when your tranny dies out from so much torque which im sure it will over time.
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Old 12-15-2005, 04:54 PM   #24
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Ya I cant afford the kit with aftercooler yet. I was going to add that later if I can. (I hope). I dont want to really deal with n20 anymore. I have most the parts that come in the kit anyway accept for the injectors & fuel pump. (and some other little things) I can get the base kit for $2400 or polished (like I'm gettin) for $2700. wadda you think?
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Ya I cant afford the kit with aftercooler yet. I was going to add that later if I can. (I hope). I dont want to really deal with n20 anymore. I have most the parts that come in the kit anyway accept for the injectors & fuel pump. (and some other little things) I can get the base kit for $2400 or polished (like I'm gettin) for $2700. wadda you think?
270 what would it include? how much is the intercooled kit?
what i would do is save a little more money and get the kit that already has the cooler. i would thik adding it later would end up costing more. as for injectors what size do you plan to run? 60's? and get dual 03 cobra fuel pumps.
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Old 12-15-2005, 05:12 PM   #26
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I think its just the blower. I know i should buy both at the same time. It would be smarter. I am just so impatient, I would want to look at it & play with it when i am drunk, when its chillin in my closet. lol (kinda like brents parts)






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From reading that article, and seeing what they did, i have no idea why youd ever dream of running 20psi.

If you want to run 20psi, youre going to need to lower the compression to a more boost friendly 9:1 at the highest, because what people forget is that boost is just another form of compression, and by running too much compression, even with a forged short block, you can blow things up quickly. Not to mention that at that high of boost, and compression, youll be forced to run race gas if you like to keep your pistons. Detonation can turn the nicest, most expensive forged pistons into ash trays.

The big thing that the article shows is that head flow, and cams makes the biggest difference. They picked up a massive amount of power from the heads and cams. Rather than trying to strap on a blower putting out unorthodox amounts of boost, id put the money into some serious heads, and something with the cams.

Also, why are you worried about cams and being emmissions legal in cali, when youre going to have a blower hanging under the hood?
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I think the aftercooler is another $1200 or so. Not sure what size injectors. I wonder If I could use the same injectors when I raise and lower psi from 6 to 20 & back to 6....:chin:
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You could run the same injectors, depending on the fuel enrichment setup you run. Are you planning on running an FMU, or running big injectors/maf/tune combo?

It could be something as simple as the tune, but i dont think it would be that easy to switch back and forth and have it run well.
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From reading that article, and seeing what they did, i have no idea why youd ever dream of running 20psi.

If you want to run 20psi, youre going to need to lower the compression to a more boost friendly 9:1 at the highest, because what people forget is that boost is just another form of compression, and by running too much compression, even with a forged short block, you can blow things up quickly. Not to mention that at that high of boost, and compression, youll be forced to run race gas if you like to keep your pistons. Detonation can turn the nicest, most expensive forged pistons into ash trays.

The big thing that the article shows is that head flow, and cams makes the biggest difference. They picked up a massive amount of power from the heads and cams. Rather than trying to strap on a blower putting out unorthodox amounts of boost, id put the money into some serious heads, and something with the cams.

Also, why are you worried about cams and being emmissions legal in cali, when youre going to have a blower hanging under the hood?
8:5:1 They ran 15psi (I believe) with the stroker motor in.
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8:5:1 They ran 15psi (I believe) with the stroker motor in.
In IceBox, they ran 10psi, but didnt mention the compression ratio unless i just skipped over the rest of it, it was a long read.

Give me a run down on your specific setup, while i dont know a lot about blowers specifically, i can at least possibly help you out with the rest of your setup, boost is boost regardless of delivery.
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I know i should get p.m.s. I think I will see what happens when i switch from 6psi to 10. I am here to learn. If I go wrong, least I will blow my stock motor, & learn how to not blow my new block.
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I am gonna get the patriot (truck heads). So I need a bullit intake & oil s tube from an explorer, b/c the heads are taller than stock, along with the valve covers. I want cams but I think I wont pass smog. I ditched the n20 cause I knew it was hurting my motor. I missed third gear once ( cause I am an idiot & have the stock shifter still) at the track & almost blew my intake into pieces. (it cracked though) So I am done with sprayin.
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