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Old 04-20-2006, 07:35 AM   #1
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TIME TO GET REAL!!!!

This is about taking back the power we once had to affect change. We did it in the 70's we can do it now if we were not so self centered or selfish.

STOP UNNECCESSARY DRIVING NOW!!!!

The time has come to stop wasting fuel. The oil companies are betting we are so self absorbed they can keep raising fuel cost and we will take it. Do you all really like the oil companies having us by the balls. In the 70's when there was a oil embargo American stepped up and conserved. within 6 months Americans reduced oil consumption by 20% and when OPEC saw this they ended the embargo. Well it is time to do it again. Until we stop wasting fuel and only drive where you need to this gouging is not going to stop. Carpool, combine shopping excursion, try to stay local for your vacations this summer. If we cut back our summer driving and put a hurting on the hotel, Airline and tourism industry while saving gasoline we will create change.

We do have the power if we flex our muscles and unite to reduce fuel consumption.
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my friend and i were planning a road trip in june...maybe its not such a good idea
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exactly, I already plan to ride my bike to work this summer, and to any stores if they aren't too far.
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there are to many retards that wont do it and to many huge SUVs carrying one person around.
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Re: TIME TO GET REAL!!!!

lets all go buy hybrids!

on a more serious note, i dont drive that much.. i drive maybe once every 2 weeks up at college but i do have a few trips home a semester.
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Re: TIME TO GET REAL!!!!

I drive to work and home. Have 2 cars current, one is parked all the time. It sucks.

A better way for us to get real is to put someone in washington that is going to look out for us and stop the gouging. The problem is, the only people that can afford to run for office are those with money. Those with money don't give a **** about those below them, so it is a catch 22.

Hopefully when the next debating season roles around, they stop debating about abortion and talk about real issues like the price gouging and illegal immigration. I think they should also talk about term limits on members of congress so we can get useless career politicians out of there...like Kenedy.
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I'm old enough to remember the oil embargo !! It really sucked at first mile long gas line, having to get to a station at 4 AM to wait 3 hours for it to open and hope they had fuel,you could only buy fuel on odd/even days depending what your lic.tag # was,people running around at night stealing your gas
But once everyone started working together and using less fuel the rag heads hit the panic button and started full production again
Guess they couldn't afford to buy there custom build 4 wheels benz's
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I'm old enough to remember the oil embargo !! It really sucked at first mile long gas line, having to get to a station at 4 AM to wait 3 hours for it to open and hope they had fuel,you could only buy fuel on odd/even days depending what your lic.tag # was,people running around at night stealing your gas
But once everyone started working together and using less fuel the rag heads hit the panic button and started full production again
Guess they couldn't afford to buy there custom build 4 wheels benz's
That's the other thing we need to do...stop bending to the will of OPEC. Show them who is the boss and stop taking it like a *****.
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omg smug!!! /south park
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I drive to work and home. Have 2 cars current, one is parked all the time. It sucks.

A better way for us to get real is to put someone in washington that is going to look out for us and stop the gouging. The problem is, the only people that can afford to run for office are those with money. Those with money don't give a **** about those below them, so it is a catch 22.

Hopefully when the next debating season roles around, they stop debating about abortion and talk about real issues like the price gouging and illegal immigration. I think they should also talk about term limits on members of congress so we can get useless career politicians out of there...like Kenedy.
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no, its time to get real and take over the frigging world. only way youll see gas prices lower again is if we have full control over the supply and refinement.

me and my dad were talking about this last night, saying, "man, after WWII america was so geared up, our forces were so strong at that point that taking over the world would have been gravy, since there was nobody else with the equavilent or any number of countries at that point with anything left to stop us", but we didnt.
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We cant count on the politicians of either party. Their pockets are to full of big oil money. We have to do it with real people. We are a consumer based society and now that we are in a global economy we actually have more power to bring the world economy down with our actions. Every country that manufactures stuff has to sell it here. If we dont buy the world economy takes a dump. We have to start the boycott of petroleum and buying unneccessary crap. IT MUST BE DONE!!!
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the gas prices will continue to rise until the government drops some of its laws and allow the oil companies to build new refinerys with out having to pay out the butt. The oil companies are just chilling and waiting for the government to fold.
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Here's a email I got last week
This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from
one
of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. It's worth your
consideration.

Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $4.00 a
gallon
by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come
down?
We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth
offered
this good idea.

This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day"
campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just
laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt"
ourselves
by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it
was a
problem for them.

BUT, whoever thought of this idea, has come up with a plan that can
really
work. Please read on and join with us! By now you're probably thinking
gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently
$2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and
the
OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of
gas
is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach
them
that BUYERS control the marketplace..... not sellers. With the price of
gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The
only
way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone
in
the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT
hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just
stop
buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act
together
to force a price war.

Here's the idea:

For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two
biggest
companies (which now are one), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling
any
gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their
prices, the other companies will have to follow suit.

But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and
Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out at this
point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach
millions
of people.

I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us sends it to at least
ten
more (30 x 10 = 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300
x
10 = 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group
of
people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. If those
three
million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30
million
people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you
guessed
it..... THREE>>>>HUNDRED MILLION >>>>PEOPLE!!!

Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If you
don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is
send this to 10 people.... Well, let's face it, you just aren't a
mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one.)

How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten
more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could
conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!!

I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you?

Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you,
please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL
UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN.
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I don't claim to know alot about why gas prices are so high, but I do know this article really pissed me off. Check it out:
Senator rips ex Exxon CEO's retirement package - Yahoo! News
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Boycotting a certain gas provider won't really do anything:

Gas Out

I personally think it's time Americans started looking beyond the Republican and Democrat parties. People do not want to vote for independent candidates because they believe it is a wasted vote. What they don't realize is that if independent candidates begin getting large amounts of votes, the big two will have to take notice.

It's also time we stop catering to hippies. We haven't built a new oil refinery in 30 years. We have oil. We just don't have any way of refining it in a productive manner. But hey! We saved a couple of trees! Surely that counts for something...
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Boycotting a certain gas provider won't really do anything:

Gas Out

I personally think it's time Americans started looking beyond the Republican and Democrat parties. People do not want to vote for independent candidates because they believe it is a wasted vote. What they don't realize is that if independent candidates begin getting large amounts of votes, the big two will have to take notice.

It's also time we stop catering to hippies. We haven't built a new oil refinery in 30 years. We have oil. We just don't have any way of refining it in a productive manner. But hey! We saved a couple of trees! Surely that counts for something...
I agree 110% with what you just said. You remember Ross Perot? Why do the American people find it acceptable that only a republican and democrat are allowed to participate in the debates before election? Ross Perot gained so much popularity after the debates in 1992. I think there should be a canidate from each party allowed in the debate. Takes to much time? So? This is our nations future we are electing these people to control. I think we can spare American Idol for 3-4 debates.
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Yeah, but like Corey said, we can't really trust politicians. They might pander to the audience in the debats, say all the right things, then when they get into that environment in DC, they cave to the money. We need to reform DC so that you can't be a career panderer. You either do what is right for your constituents, or we the people tell you to GTFO. As long as big money is in control of DC, us wee folk won't mean **** to anyone that makes decisions...And get the damn media to inform people of everything that is going on in DC so they can make informed decisions...not just biased reporting. but, that is a whole other problem.

BTW...did anyone read that cheney donated 7 mil to charity last year? Prolly not...as the media didn't report that. lol
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Ross Perot !!!! Hell Ya He would of Been great !! Yeah cheney donated big but he also got a 1.9 million tax return and the 7 million was a write off
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what i still dont understand is how we have more than enough oil to supply our country in the gulf, alaska, and texas, we rely on the middle east

Dumping money into the middle east's pockets rather than good ole america's pockets cant be helping our economy.

While outsourcing all of this "Made In China" stuff that is almost identical to our Mase in USA products, but say 15% cheaper, it saves us 15% now, but sending our money oversea's cant really be good for us. Why cant we keep our money in our country? You think it would help our economy.
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u know what sucks about going to lesser known gas stations? the amount of sulfer in their gas...which has recently clogged my fuel pump sensor and was causing my car to tell me that i had no gas when in reality i had a full tank (ask montecitan, he helped me fix my car)--raceway gas, which is popular up here, are known for this, and their gas sucks, but people line up for their gas cause its only 2.60 for regular compared to 2.79 in some other places for the same thing
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We have the same issue with raceway in Fl. !!!! I'll pay the extra for BP I learned my lesson same as you meteorachick
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Crude oil hits high above $72, then eases

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Oil prices settled at a record high for the third straight day on Wednesday after weekly government data showed a drop in U.S. gasoline stocks, raising worries that refiners don't have an adequate inventory cushion ahead of the peak summer season.

Traders also are anxious that U.S.-led efforts to stop Iran, OPEC's second-largest member, from pursuing a suspected nuclear weapons program could lead to a disruption in Persian Gulf oil supplies.

Oil futures contracts through November 2009 are now trading above $70 a barrel, indicating traders believe high prices could be here to stay.




Gasoline inventories typically decrease this time of the year as refiners shut plants to perform maintenance ahead of the summer driving season. But there is additional worry about summer gasoline supplies this year because of the prospect of tight supplies of ethanol, which is needed in increasing amounts as refiners phase out their use of methyl tertiary butyl ether, or MTBE - an additive that helps gasoline burn more cleanly but which has been found to contaminate drinking water.

Light, sweet crude for May on the New York Mercantile Exchange rose as high as $72.49 a barrel in electronic trading in Asia, surpassing the previous record of $72.40 set during Wednesday's trading. The contract, which expires later Thursday, slipped back to $71.30, down 87 cents from Wednesday's record closing price of $72.17.

June crude, which will become the front-month contract on Friday, also slipped but remained above $73 a barrel, trading at $73.25 at midday on Nymex.

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In its weekly report, the U.S. Energy Department said Wednesday that the nation's supply of gasoline shrank by a larger-than-expected 5.4 million barrels last week to 202.5 million barrels. The decline, the seventh in as many weeks, pushed gasoline stocks to 4.6 percent below year-ago levels, their lowest level since November.

Concerns about Iran continue to lift oil prices. Diplomats said Wednesday the United States may turn to the U.N. nuclear watchdog agency to exert more pressure on Iran out of frustration with Russian and Chinese opposition to firm Security Council action.

On Wednesday, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said record crude oil prices were still below their "real value," though he stopped short of saying Iran would use its vast resource as a weapon.

On Thursday, Hugo Chavez, president of Venezuela, one of the world's top oil producers, said oil prices would reach $100 a barrel should concern over Iran's nuclear weapons capability lead the United States to invade that Middle Eastern nation.

Chavez told reporters in Brazil that the United States' "belicose statements and the American president's threats against Iran" were responsible for the high cost of oil and added "Iran is a country that is prepared for war."

"Hopefully there will be no war, for that would destabilize the Middle East even more and could bring oil production in Iran and other countries to a complete standstill," he said.

The U.S. Energy Department report also showed that crude oil stocks fell by 800,000 barrels last week to 345.2 million barrels, while distillate stocks, which include heating oil and diesel fuel, fell 2.8 million barrels.

Brent crude for June rose to a record high of $74.22 a barrel on London's ICE Futures exchange before retreating to $73.69 a barrel Thursday.

Gasoline futures declined 5.94 cents to $2.18 a gallon midday Thursday while heating oil prices fell 2.43 cents to $2.0380 a gallon. Natural gas prices fell more than 17 cents to $8.02 per 1,000 cubic feet, after the U.S. Department of Energy said natural gas storage rose to 1.761 trillion cubic feet, more than 60 percent above the five-year average.

Though oil futures retreated, U.S. pump prices continued to rise. The average price for a gallon of gasoline rose to $2.825 a gallon, up more than 2 cents from Wednesday and more than 60 cents from a year ago, according to AAA's daily fuel gauge report.

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ethanol is made here in Indiana = money for our state haha. yeah but Gas here is 2.90 a gal. for 87 oct.
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It is not the laws that prevent new oil refinerys. You you build new refinerys if you were making 100,000,000,000 a year doing less. In the late 90's Aramco the largest Saudia oil company wanted go in partnership and build 3 huge oil refinery's and had it all approved and The big American oil companies stopped them by lobbying congress to kill the authorization saying " It was a national Security Issue". Bullcrap 5 of the largest oil refinerys in the US are part owned by Aramco. It is all about greed!!!!
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Boycotting a certain gas provider won't really do anything:

Gas Out

I personally think it's time Americans started looking beyond the Republican and Democrat parties. People do not want to vote for independent candidates because they believe it is a wasted vote. What they don't realize is that if independent candidates begin getting large amounts of votes, the big two will have to take notice.

It's also time we stop catering to hippies. We haven't built a new oil refinery in 30 years. We have oil. We just don't have any way of refining it in a productive manner. But hey! We saved a couple of trees! Surely that counts for something...
Not boycott certain provider, BOYCOTT ALL PROVIDERS. STOP WASTING GAS. Only drive where you absolutely have to. Start carpooling and sharing rides. To many Americans drive alone. California is a prime example. Knowing there are huge traffic jams in LA and SF the majority drive to work alone. First California has the worse traffic and the worse Mass Transit in the US. It is just stupid.
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what i still dont understand is how we have more than enough oil to supply our country in the gulf, alaska, and texas, we rely on the middle east

Dumping money into the middle east's pockets rather than good ole america's pockets cant be helping our economy.

While outsourcing all of this "Made In China" stuff that is almost identical to our Mase in USA products, but say 15% cheaper, it saves us 15% now, but sending our money oversea's cant really be good for us. Why cant we keep our money in our country? You think it would help our economy.
This goes back to the fact we only have 20% of the refinery's we had in 1970 yet there are 40,000,000 more cars trucks and 60 million more people using electricity in their homes. GREED GREED GREED.
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This goes back to the fact we only have 20% of the refinery's we had in 1970 yet there are 40,000,000 more cars trucks and 60 million more people using electricity in their homes. GREED GREED GREED.
While it makes sense...it still doesnt.

We're spending money, and its not all staying in this country, we buy it from the middle east, then mark it up. Rather than make the money on the mark up, they could be pumping their own oil, and marking up their own oil, so rather than giving money to some other people, it stays withing their own company, tax's go to our government, then our sales tax goes to our government, we make more jobs for americans, and we build an economy.

I wonder why these people need so much money. If someone had 1 millon dollars, and they lived comfortably on 50K, without any abnormal spending, they could live for 20 years off of 1 million dollars. I hear about people getting 4 million dollar bonus' (not sure about how true it is), thats 80 years...and basically a lifetime, whats the point?
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I ****ing hate opec.
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While it makes sense...it still doesnt.

We're spending money, and its not all staying in this country, we buy it from the middle east, then mark it up. Rather than make the money on the mark up, they could be pumping their own oil, and marking up their own oil, so rather than giving money to some other people, it stays withing their own company, tax's go to our government, then our sales tax goes to our government, we make more jobs for americans, and we build an economy.

I wonder why these people need so much money. If someone had 1 millon dollars, and they lived comfortably on 50K, without any abnormal spending, they could live for 20 years off of 1 million dollars. I hear about people getting 4 million dollar bonus' (not sure about how true it is), thats 80 years...and basically a lifetime, whats the point?

Actually OPEC has really nothing to do with the mark up. OPEC has up production 7 times in 2 years to meet demand. Wall Street is responsible. Exxon does not pay $72 dollars a barrel they are buying at $49 a barrel. The Traders are selling at what the middle man is willing to pay then he tacks on the higher prices after refinment. So actually the money stays right here in the greedy *** oil executives and stock holders hands. Dont blame OPEC for our wastful energy usage. Blame the politicians, the Automakers, US Oil companies and ourselves for the situation we are in.

But if we really wanted to we could change it. But we are stupid, lazy Americans with our head in the sand and and a giant dildo up our *** and not doing as damn thing about it We must be enjoying every minute of it!!!!

We can shape our economy we do it all the time and unless we flex our muscles now we are doomed to having our way of life yanked out from under our feet and it will be to late.
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Well I just got my new tuner in, 87 octane FTW. Plan on leaving this thing on the mpg tune and putting around town on that for the next 50 years or so.
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I don't drive unless I absolutely have to. DDs are great.

Seriously I don't drive to my classes (carpool) I don't drive to the store (just go when others are) and I don't drive anywhere unless I have to.
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I drive a Honda now.. lol cant beat that gas mileage.
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i still dont care.

either we take over the world or any country that has anything to do with the refinement or drilling or selling of oil, so that we have full control, or we shut the **** up and deal with it. its only going to matter if EVERYONE just stops driving period, but even then, theres so many other things that rely on petrol that stopping driving would only be a slight pinprick to those who control the flow. and to get everyone to stop manufacturing or using products that are in some way a derivitave of petroleum just is not feasable.

i for one cannot wait to do a hearty burnout tomorrow when i get the car back.
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I have a theory if they only made 93 it would save on the manufacturing cost.
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i still dont care,,,,, theres so many other things that rely on petrol that stopping driving would only be a slight pinprick to those who control the flow. and to get everyone to stop manufacturing or using products that are in some way a derivitave of petroleum just is not feasable.


That is very untrue. I lived thru the last embargo. Within 6 months people had stopped driving so much, set their thermostats to save energy, cities had large buildings turn off the lights after work and in the end reduced fuel and energy consumption by 20% That was a savings of 3,000,000 barrels a day at a time that we were using about 15,000,000 barrels a day. Now we are using roughly 23,000,000 barrels a day and expected to go to to 30,000,000 barrels a day at our continous increase of consumption by 2015. If we dont start controlling our consumption we will hit $10 gal by 2012. Look at what has happened just this spring to last spring. we were at around $2.00 gal and Katrina hit and it shot up to $3.20 gal and that was supposed to be due to supply issues fro the hurricanes. Now look we are close to $3 now and there is no shortage or hurricanes. We will see $5 a gal within the next 2 years.

But we can make a difference if we chose to. It means changing our wasteful habits and pulling our heads out of the sand and making tough choices. The problem today is people are to self absorbed and unconscious to the big picture. We cant wait for politicians because they dont care to fix the real problems. It is up to use to save our way of life and if it means cutting back on travel and expenses then so be it.
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