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Old 07-25-2006, 06:41 PM   #1
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Bush trashing the constitution?

Specter preparing bill to sue Bush - Politics - MSNBC.com

What do you think about this?
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Re: Bush trashing the constitution?

What do signing statements do in terms non lawyers (blood suckers) can understand?
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Dammit Brandon...just leave the guy alone will you. Sheesh, go ride in the cobra.

I am so tired of people going after bush. leave him the hell alone. Let him protect the country. STFU with the bull**** and get the job done so we can get our guys home already.
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Re: Bush trashing the constitution?

I think that it's when he tells congress that he won't sign something unless they change it, write it a certain way, or something similiar. Not certain, though.
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I think that it's when he tells congress that he won't sign something unless they change it, write it a certain way, or something similiar. Not certain, though.
Sounds like the typical veto process to me...so there must be more to it. Either way, they need to stop wasting the time and money on this kind of bull**** and get their jobs done. This damn partisan political BS needs to stop and people need to focus...but I know that will never happen....but someone needs to ***** about it. lol
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A signing statement is a written declaration composed by White House lawyers offering the executive branch's perspective (critics would call it "spin") on the legislation to which it is attached. As one Clinton Administration lawyer once put it: "Many Presidents have used signing statements to make substantive legal, constitutional, or administrative pronouncements on the bill being signed. Although the recent practice of issuing signing statements to create 'legislative history' remains controversial, the other uses of Presidential signing statements generally serve legitimate and defensible purposes."

The reason so many people are talking about signing statements these days is that the Bush Administration has made a habit out of attaching them to legislation sometimes in lieu of a presidential veto.

Presidents have issued signing statements since the early days of our country," White House spokeswoman Dana Perino said yesterday. "President Bush's signing statements are consistent with prior administrations' signing statements. He is exercising a legitimate power in a legitimate way.

From President Monroe's administration (1817-25) to the Carter administration (1977-81), the executive branch issued a total of 75 signing statements to protect presidential prerogatives. Reagan's administration issues 129, Bush Sr 110, Clinton 80 and now with GW he has used signing statement 110 times.
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Signing Statements: Virtues And Vices, Andrew Cohen Analyzes The Legal Uproar Over This Presidential Practice - CBS News
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It's as if the President says to Congress with every signing statement: "You have passed this law, and I have signed it, but the White House does not necessarily agree with its purpose, language or scope. Therefore, we reserve the right to subsequently assert a legal position, or otherwise act, in a manner that is inconsistent with this new law."

That legal position has great attraction to this White House, especially as it otherwise asserts along many fronts that it must have great power and authority to wage the war on terrorism.
He who would give up a little freedom for a little security deserves neither, and will loose both.
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lawyer = professional lyer

that lawyer can say anything, and our country will believe him, just for the fact that people don't like bush.... its sad.
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CNN.com - Dobbs: Why is the president ignoring our laws? - Jul 26, 2006
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He who would give up a little freedom for a little security deserves neither, and will loose both.
Or survives to see another day when that little freedom concession reveals another plan of destruction.
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Signing Statements: Virtues And Vices, Andrew Cohen Analyzes The Legal Uproar Over This Presidential Practice - CBS News

He who would give up a little freedom for a little security deserves neither, and will loose both.
You quote that but do you really believe it. Where is your stance on gun control.

This is what I like to quote

People without the rights to bear arms are subjects
People with the rights to bear arms are citizens

As long as we have all the rights provided to us by the constitution and the bill of rights we secure ourselves as citizens and not subjects. I have yet to feel any right taken away by this president because I am not a law breaker or planning any terror acts against or country.
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People without the rights to bear arms are subjects
People with the rights to bear arms are citizens
That's a good one too. I'm not a believer in gun control. I don't own a gun, atm, but it isn't because I'm against them. Just don't have the spare change lying around to get me one, yet.
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I hate Lou Dobbs. I really can't stand him at all.
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