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Old 08-23-2010, 10:51 AM   #1
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freedom of religion is what this country was founded on, buuttttt when someone attacks our country in the name of that religion then wants to build a temple at the place of the attack........wellll i dont think that should be over looked, if anything its a slap in the face to the people who lost loved ones in the attack, i know i know there not all the same but in away they are, the Qur’an teachee s them to kill the infadels....that would be us!
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Its not over looked. These aren't terrorists building the mosque. It shouldn't matter. On top of that but there has been a functioning mosque closer to Ground Zero than this one would be (this new place isn't even a Mosque, its a community center with a prayer room) since 1970 and has gone on functioning since 9/11.

No one cares about that though because no one in the media told them they should.
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freedom of religion is what this country was founded on, buuttttt when someone attacks our country in the name of that religion then wants to build a temple at the place of the attack........wellll i dont think that should be over looked, if anything its a slap in the face to the people who lost loved ones in the attack, i know i know there not all the same but in away they are, the Qur’an teachee s them to kill the infadels....that would be us!
I very strongly agree with this.
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I very strongly agree with this.
Ok, so we got to be sensitive to it.

At what point does being sensitive become something more? Why does this community center scare you? Why does Islam scare you and other religions, like Christianity not scare you the same?

I fail to understand why, just because a group of extremists did something very bad, this gives us a reason to **** on an entire religion while at the same time we support a religion like Christianity which has had just as much bad **** happen in its name?

I'm glad we finally got over Pearl Harbor though. I love my PS3.
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Well because the holy wars were several centuries ago. They are the only religion that wants to start another one.
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Well because the holy wars were several centuries ago. They are the only religion that wants to start another one.
Yeah now if another religion tried to open up a Jewish Temple or Christan Church in a Islamic country they would not allow it. Look at what they are doing to Israel and the Jews in that part of the world. The leaders of Countries that say that they are Islamic don't believe that the Holocaust happened and that the Jews should be wiped out of the Middle East.

Honestly I feel that it is a slap in the face to survivors of 9/11. But then again it really doesn't bother me. There is just a double standard in the World and its unfair.
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I say let them go ahead and open this "mosque" up...and then someone build a sausage store/factory/pork processing plant right next door to the mosque. Or put a hot dog/sausage stand on the street right in front of the doors to the mosque.
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I say let them go ahead and open this "mosque" up...and then someone build a sausage store/factory/pork processing plant right next door to the mosque. Or put a hot dog/sausage stand on the street right in front of the doors to the mosque.
^^^AGREED^^^ LOL.....Christianity teaches us to love everyone for who they are, for instant you brent...even though u think my beliefs are a crock of crap i still am taught to love you for who you are......Now if i were Musilum and we were over in our mother land (the middle east) and you said the things you have spoken to me already about my God not being real and this that and the other i would be forced to BEHEAD YOU...not still love you for who you are...This religion is taught to be forced upon ppl, if you think jova witness gong from door to door or christian coming by to visit are pushy they have NOTHING on these people....if i was a musilum and you spoke to me the opinions you spoke about GOD in that thread we had i would be forced to kill you...you would be an infadel...In the name of allah i would be force to and i quote "behead the infadel" which would be you...but since were ME bros i probably would make it quick LOL...but do u get my point...this religion is violent and taught to be....but because my beliefs i still have to respect them but i will not be pushed by why these ppl create a jump off point for more extremeist...i know i know theres been one there before! and rather its on record or not it was probably used for donantions to help by the terrorists plane tickets and pay for the hotel the night before! Are the good musilims yes......are there bad christians yes....but the difference between the 2 is literally life or death!
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I say let them go ahead and open this "mosque" up...and then someone build a sausage store/factory/pork processing plant right next door to the mosque. Or put a hot dog/sausage stand on the street right in front of the doors to the mosque.
That would work too haha.

But seriously, i see it as a slap in the face to the ones who had lost loved ones in the whole incident and also the people that have lost their lives. I think if something is put there it needs to be something along the lines of like a huge *** memorial park or something to remember the ones who lost their lives that day, not a mosque.
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I say let them go ahead and open this "mosque" up...and then someone build a sausage store/factory/pork processing plant right next door to the mosque. Or put a hot dog/sausage stand on the street right in front of the doors to the mosque.
I'm sure the extremist would crash an airplane into the hot dog cart a few months later.


Also, it doesn't matter where they decide to build a mosque/prayer center/ect ect. It's property, it's land, it's commercially available. If it were not zoned correctly or there were some law against them building there then they should not be allowed to. There is no legal provision preventing them from building the mosque there other than feelings/opinions or racism and hatred. As much as I hate the extremist who caused 9/11 these people cannot be treated as if they caused the problem. If we claim to be a country based on democracy and some as a Christian then we have no right judging them or not allowing them to build their own religious center ANYWHERE. It doesn't matter if we can't bring a Bible into their country. It's their laws, their country, their decision. Our country doesn't have those rules.


What makes our beliefs anymore relevant than theirs?
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I dont feel like arguing
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SaleenFiend I totally agree with you.

I just think that its unfair that there is a double standard were they could practice Islam here or almost anywhere and be protected, when if someone that wants to practice Judaism or Christianity there can't.
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^^^AGREED^^^ LOL.....Christianity teaches us to love everyone for who they are, for instant you brent...even though u think my beliefs are a crock of crap i still am taught to love you for who you are......Now if i were Musilum and we were over in our mother land (the middle east) and you said the things you have spoken to me already about my God not being real and this that and the other i would be forced to BEHEAD YOU...not still love you for who you are...This religion is taught to be forced upon ppl, if you think jova witness gong from door to door or christian coming by to visit are pushy they have NOTHING on these people....if i was a musilum and you spoke to me the opinions you spoke about GOD in that thread we had i would be forced to kill you...you would be an infadel...In the name of allah i would be force to and i quote "behead the infadel" which would be you...but since were ME bros i probably would make it quick LOL...but do u get my point...this religion is violent and taught to be....but because my beliefs i still have to respect them but i will not be pushed by why these ppl create a jump off point for more extremeist...i know i know theres been one there before! and rather its on record or not it was probably used for donantions to help by the terrorists plane tickets and pay for the hotel the night before! Are the good musilims yes......are there bad christians yes....but the difference between the 2 is literally life or death!
These Muslims aren't in the middle east though. They are in America. Why are you giving them **** for coming to America and sticking to their religion? Why does it matter what happens in the Middle East? They aren't in the Middle East.

On top of that, do you want these Muslims to not get their mosque and then further prove to the extremists that we are in fact no better than their own countries because we too are shunning their religion?

My advice for you guys is don't go to the Middle East if you are so terrified of it but don't act like building a community center with a prayer room is some kind of double standard because most Muslim countries overseas **** on your religion.

Lucky for you you were born a Christian in America so your biggest concern is atheists, liberals and whether or not you eat McDonalds or Burger King for lunch.
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Well damn, I could have just quoted SaleenFiend.
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Ok, so we got to be sensitive to it.

At what point does being sensitive become something more? Why does this community center scare you? Why does Islam scare you and other religions, like Christianity not scare you the same?

I fail to understand why, just because a group of extremists did something very bad, this gives us a reason to **** on an entire religion while at the same time we support a religion like Christianity which has had just as much bad **** happen in its name?

I'm glad we finally got over Pearl Harbor though. I love my PS3.

yep your right on...just because one group has done something you consider the whole religion as extremists and what happened to the land of the free, what happened to the right to practice religion.. so there happen to be few catholic priest that are pedophiles so that makes all catholic priest pedophiles just like few people from the Muslim race are terrorist so that makes all them terrorist right ..and since we cant build a mosque near ground zero because some Muslims decided to attack the world trade center than i guess we cant built any catholic churches, or any kinda catholic places of worship near any school cause some of the Catholics were pedophiles....so we should just hate them too why not ..spread it around might get us somewhere....well that makes sense right...no WRONG..
oh so we were in iraq to help these people which are MUSLIMS ...from terror of saddam hussein but now we cant even let them build a house of worship?? hmm thats weird ...we went to war for this didnt we or did we?
and at GROUND ZERO there has been a mosque even before the trade center was ever built!!.....
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freedom of religion is what this country was founded on, buuttttt when someone attacks our country in the name of that religion then wants to build a temple at the place of the attack........wellll i dont think that should be over looked, if anything its a slap in the face to the people who lost loved ones in the attack, i know i know there not all the same but in away they are, the Qur’an teachee s them to kill the infadels....that would be us!
Should I list the crazy things fanatical Christian Terrorists have done in our own country, then measure how far from each area a Church is?

Should I then ask for it to be shut down?
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this is like beating a dead horse, some people just wanna argue
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this is like beating a dead horse, some people just wanna argue
I'm glad some people do, other wise one group would just get their way all the time.
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I've already had this debate way too many times and I'm pretty tired of talking about. I'll just sum up all my points in a nice and orderly numbered list lol:

1. The First Amendment to the US Constitution. There are no one time exceptions. Its either a freedom/right always or never.

2. These people are US citizens. If you campaign against their rights, you are also fighting against your own rights as a US citizen. Imagine a world where the government dismantled a Christian community center in your hometown and said you can't practice your religion there.

3. Government shouldn't be able to dictate what you build on privately owned land especially in regards to the first amendment. Ironically enough, if the government does say what can or cannot be built on private land, that's what they call socialist property rights.

4. Its not a mosque, its a community center open to ALL religions.

5. There are two mosques nearby, a strip club, and a gambling hall. This is simply just being a wedge issue and nothing more.

6. Islam IS NOT the same as the militant, radical extremist religion being practiced by terrorists over in Afghanistan. Modern Islam does not believe in suicide, stoning, holy war, etc. In fact, Jihad does not even mean holy war. These are all misunderstandings and one of the goals of the community center is to clear up the misinformation regarding the Islam religion.

7. There were US citizen Muslims that innocently died at the hands of the terrorists both in the World Trade Centers and in the rescue operations. They are not martyrs, they were victims just as any other US citizen. This community center will honor them as well as the others involved.

8. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism is all pretty much the same religion with minor differences (all Abrahamic religions). Hell, Islam even believes in Jesus who died, was buried, and rose from the dead. People are just afraid of Islam because they don't know much about it and that its the religion of an enemy (but again, not the same religion... kinda like how the KKK are Christians, but I doubt any Christian would say that its a good representation of their religion).
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I've already had this debate way too many times and I'm pretty tired of talking about. I'll just sum up all my points in a nice and orderly numbered list lol:

1. The First Amendment to the US Constitution. There are no one time exceptions. Its either a freedom/right always or never.

2. These people are US citizens. If you campaign against their rights, you are also fighting against your own rights as a US citizen. Imagine a world where the government dismantled a Christian community center in your hometown and said you can't practice your religion there.

3. Government shouldn't be able to dictate what you build on privately owned land especially in regards to the first amendment. Ironically enough, if the government does say what can or cannot be built on private land, that's what they call socialist property rights.

4. Its not a mosque, its a community center open to ALL religions.

5. There are two mosques nearby, a strip club, and a gambling hall. This is simply just being a wedge issue and nothing more.

6. Islam IS NOT the same as the militant, radical extremist religion being practiced by terrorists over in Afghanistan. Modern Islam does not believe in suicide, stoning, holy war, etc. In fact, Jihad does not even mean holy war. These are all misunderstandings and one of the goals of the community center is to clear up the misinformation regarding the Islam religion.

7. There were US citizen Muslims that innocently died at the hands of the terrorists both in the World Trade Centers and in the rescue operations. They are not martyrs, they were victims just as any other US citizen. This community center will honor them as well as the others involved.

8. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism is all pretty much the same religion with minor differences (all Abrahamic religions). Hell, Islam even believes in Jesus who died, was buried, and rose from the dead. People are just afraid of Islam because they don't know much about it and that its the religion of an enemy (but again, not the same religion... kinda like how the KKK are Christians, but I doubt any Christian would say that its a good representation of their religion).
Nice summary.
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Glad to see we have some thoroughly educated thinkers on this forum. While I may be a knuckleheaded ****** sometimes, I usually aggregate u guys out of sarcasm. I think Brent, wiarumas, and Rocket all have the right ideas.
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this is like beating a dead horse, some people just wanna argue
So its okay to throw a hissy fit about a Muslim Community Center being built, but if you don't oppose the build and the bullying of one religion by another, you just want to argue?


Might I remind you, you have quite a few posts in this thread
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I've already had this debate way too many times and I'm pretty tired of talking about. I'll just sum up all my points in a nice and orderly numbered list lol:

1. The First Amendment to the US Constitution. There are no one time exceptions. Its either a freedom/right always or never.

2. These people are US citizens. If you campaign against their rights, you are also fighting against your own rights as a US citizen. Imagine a world where the government dismantled a Christian community center in your hometown and said you can't practice your religion there.

3. Government shouldn't be able to dictate what you build on privately owned land especially in regards to the first amendment. Ironically enough, if the government does say what can or cannot be built on private land, that's what they call socialist property rights.

4. Its not a mosque, its a community center open to ALL religions.

5. There are two mosques nearby, a strip club, and a gambling hall. This is simply just being a wedge issue and nothing more.

6. Islam IS NOT the same as the militant, radical extremist religion being practiced by terrorists over in Afghanistan. Modern Islam does not believe in suicide, stoning, holy war, etc. In fact, Jihad does not even mean holy war. These are all misunderstandings and one of the goals of the community center is to clear up the misinformation regarding the Islam religion.

7. There were US citizen Muslims that innocently died at the hands of the terrorists both in the World Trade Centers and in the rescue operations. They are not martyrs, they were victims just as any other US citizen. This community center will honor them as well as the others involved.

8. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism is all pretty much the same religion with minor differences (all Abrahamic religions). Hell, Islam even believes in Jesus who died, was buried, and rose from the dead. People are just afraid of Islam because they don't know much about it and that its the religion of an enemy (but again, not the same religion... kinda like how the KKK are Christians, but I doubt any Christian would say that its a good representation of their religion).


This guy is just awsome....just summed up everything wht I wanted to say....il just quote u frm now on if I reply to this post lol ...
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