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Old 06-12-2007, 08:01 PM   #36
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I got a buddy with a supra. he is a sheetmetal tech in my unit.

Donnie's supras is either the second fastest 2nd gen in Alabama or the SE I cant remember which

This is a pic of it that is probably 2 or 3 years old cause it was at the apartments we all used to live in when we were activated.


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MR2s get scary at high speed though. If I were to get one I would never go below a 1993. I test drove a 91 and at 90 or so it felt like the front end was gonna come up on me.

The motors are basically the same in the 1990-1999 but in 94 they went to bigger rims and a new rear end so you dont die from oversteer.
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:barf: MR2 motors(3S GTE) are NOTHING in comparison to the bigger brother 2JZ GTE..... I'd say 400-450 would be pushing it greatly. I'd put it will the SR-20 DET slivia motor.

That is comparing stock to stock though. Don't know what the blocks/rods/pistons can handle in the aftermarket world. I guess depends on your pocket book like everything else.
How would you compare a SR-20 DET with a Thomas motor... I mean a turbocharged Eclipse/Evo motor.
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How would you compare a SR-20 DET with a Thomas motor... I mean a turbocharged Eclipse/Evo motor.
you cant!

sr20's are good motors still though. its not like you cant make power with them.
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Somebody needs to put an LS motor in a Supra.
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Somebody needs to put an LS motor in a Supra.
I'll second that.

LS motors for all Japanese cars.
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I'll second that.

LS motors for all cars.
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Somebody needs to put an LS motor in a Supra.
so since when did putting a weaker motor that can handle less power and has to be built before it can even compete with a supra's powerplant an upgrade?
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I don't think those inline sixes are anything special.
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so since when did putting a weaker motor that can handle less power and has to be built before it can even compete with a supra's powerplant an upgrade?
Do you realize just how much coin it takes to make a supra fast??? Engine management, fuel, and so on are like 3 times what it costs for all the other cars in the performance world. You could sell the motor, harness, tranny, and what not out of a supra, buy an LS1, put it in with a glide or a th400, a ford 9 inch, and spray it with money left over.

Sure it's a GREAT starting point, IF you have loads of money.
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How would you compare a SR-20 DET with a Thomas motor... I mean a turbocharged Eclipse/Evo motor.

The 4G's would take a quite a bit more of a beating than the sr20, plus you have more room to work with with stroker kits. I don't think i've even heard of a bore/stroke kit for a SR.
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Nothin beats a B18C1 or a H22. Those motors are awesome.
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I don't think those inline sixes are anything special.
i don think LS1's are anything special. whats their power limit before they snap?

stock for stock the output may be greater, but the 2jz is far stronger than the LS1, and strength is what i look at when modding, not initial output, cause especially with FI cars, stock output can be easily and cheaply changed.
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stock for stock the output may be greater, but the 2jz is far stronger than the LS1, and strength is what i look at when modding, not initial output, cause especially with FI cars, stock output can be easily and cheaply changed.
Sure it can. That's why a friend of mine is selling his auto Mark IV. He's tired of dealing with all the little bugs in the electronics and tired of pouring money into a car to keep up with 12 and high 11 second cars. Hell, an acquaintance of mine in Tupelo has a Mark IV and gave up on the tranny and put in a Turbo 400 because the stocker is crap. He has put thousands of dollars in his car as well, and it can only run 12's.

Mark IV's can respond to little mods well, but I just don't think bang for buck is even CLOSE to any pushrod V8, much less an LS1. Sides, who makes a stock bottom end LS1 fast anyway? Rods/pistons/crank can be found practically anywhere to make them handle 700 800 hell 1000 hp. It's the rest that starts to add up.

Oh, FYI on stock bottom end LS1, another acquaintance of mine drives a stock bottom end LS1, with ported heads, blower cam, procharger, and a 75-100 shot. Swapped out for a TCI built 700R4 and a Moser 12 bolt rear end. Runs 6.60's in the 1/8th which is easily 10's in the quarter and another close friend of mine is running 6.80's(brad knows him as well) with H/C/I, 100 shot, and a built tranny. It's even on the stock 10 bolt. Also a 10 second car. So what was that about 600 hp on stock bottom end? Both of these cars are daily drivers.
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im not looking at cars numnuts, engine versus engine the 2JZ is stronger. stock it will still be laughing at what your buddies stock LS's are struggling to handle. your buddies have to make their ls motors stronger to handle what a supras stock bottom end can. just imagine if you built up the supra bottom end............ LSwhat?

as far as bang for buck no, the supra sucks in this department. you dont get a supra if you want to cheap out, and you dont get a supra expecting to NOT have to spend money on it. you gotta pay to play.
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The bottom end isn't the problem with high boost on the LS motors. It's the high compression ratios.
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The LS1 isnt made for boost, the Supra is.
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You can build an LS motor for boost. All it takes is different pistons or different heads.
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You can build an LS motor for boost. All it takes is different pistons or different heads.
Applicable to nearly all motors...

One cant say one engine is meant for this and one is meant for that. That's where modding comes in
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The amount of power you can get out of an LS1 vs a Supra engine would probably go to the LS1 in the end (most defiantly). Stock for stock I think is the main argument. The LS1 wasn't designed to handle the amount of abuse the Supra engine was. The Supra engine came stock with a power adder (or two) and the LS1 did not. Not to say that the LS1 is a bad engine, it just wasn't designed to hold that kind of abuse. It was designed as an N/A motor. I would choose the LS1 over a Supra due to the Supra is just to expensive for what you get.. this is due to the fan boys.
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A H/C/I LS1 powered F-body spaying 150 shot is probably just as fast if not faster than a KB/Whipped Terminator with a good tune. Every video I've seen of a Procharged F-Body running maybe 8 or 9 psi, racing a KB/Whipped Terminator, the F-Body wins. Of course these F-Bodies probably have quite a few more mods than just the Prochargers, because I don't think they would be making anymore than 460 whp running just 8 or 9 psi with no other mods, but their still on their stock bottom ends. Don't underestimate a LS motor, they are some bad Mofo's, and HP for HP the F-Body beats the Mustang, unless maybe you have a lightweight Foxbody.
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One cant say one engine is meant for this and one is meant for that.
the hell you cant. in a stock versus stock argument (which is what we were originally going after), the 2JZ is made for boost and the LS1 is not. my 4g63 loves boost, my GT's modular does not, my belated cobras modular loves boost as well. a honduh S2K motor hates boost (due to its high compression). the LS1 loves to be naturally aspirated with Nitrous for a kicker. stock for stock different motors have different characteristics depending on what they were designed to do, which in turn makes them popular for different uses. however any motor can be "redesigned by end user" for any purpose. IE i could make a S2K handle 30psi if i lowered its compression and threw in forged rotating assembly and closed the block up.

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The amount of power you can get out of an LS1 vs a Supra engine would probably go to the LS1 in the end (most defiantly). Stock for stock I think is the main argument. The LS1 wasn't designed to handle the amount of abuse the Supra engine was. The Supra engine came stock with a power adder (or two) and the LS1 did not. Not to say that the LS1 is a bad engine, it just wasn't designed to hold that kind of abuse. It was designed as an N/A motor. I would choose the LS1 over a Supra due to the Supra is just to expensive for what you get.. this is due to the fan boys.
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the hell you cant. in a stock versus stock argument (which is what we were originally going after), the 2JZ is made for boost and the LS1 is not. my 4g63 loves boost, my GT's modular does not, my belated cobras modular loves boost as well. a honduh S2K motor hates boost (due to its high compression). the LS1 loves to be naturally aspirated with Nitrous for a kicker. stock for stock different motors have different characteristics depending on what they were designed to do, which in turn makes them popular for different uses. however any motor can be "redesigned by end user" for any purpose. IE i could make a S2K handle 30psi if i lowered its compression and threw in forged rotating assembly and closed the block up.
And I wasn't talking stock for stock. Hence why you conveniently left out the rest of my post.

I was saying that a motor once made for a certain type of use, cannot be used for something other than intended is absurd. Such as the LS1 for boost. The block is fairly stout, maybe not as stout as your ever lovin Supra's, but just lower the compression, and you will see what an LS1 can do with boost. Raise compression in the Supra and build it up and you can see what it will do NA.
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And I wasn't talking stock for stock. Hence why you conveniently left out the rest of my post.
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your second sentence makes the first feel like youre referring to unmodified motors, which would coencide with the stock vs stock argument we were having. i think now its gonna turn into "LS1 vs Supra: Who will spend more to get to the 1000whp barrier first" argument.
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At the end of the day you are comparing two different cars. Which is better is going to be that of opinion. Since everyone looks for different things in a car there are countless ways to compare what someone looks for in two different vehicles. The bottom line is you buy what you want after you research it and figure out what is best for you for what ever reason.
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your second sentence makes the first feel like youre referring to unmodified motors, which would coencide with the stock vs stock argument we were having. i think now its gonna turn into "LS1 vs Supra: Who will spend more to get to the 1000whp barrier first" argument.
I kind of thought the same thing years ago that you are now when I saw Top Secret throw a RB26 in a Supra. A Supra's turbocharged engine is more stout than a GTR's, and will probably hold more boost/power before it goes so why replace it with a weaker motor. I think the GTR's motor is suppose to be more track oriented though as it likes to rev.
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as far as bang for buck no, the supra sucks in this department. you dont get a supra if you want to cheap out, and you dont get a supra expecting to NOT have to spend money on it. you gotta pay to play.
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stock for stock the output may be greater, but the 2jz is far stronger than the LS1, and strength is what i look at when modding, not initial output, cause especially with FI cars, stock output can be easily and cheaply changed.
Hyprocrite much?


The reason I said I think the LS1 is better(again, IMO) is because it's WAYYYYYY cheaper to make the same reliable power. But, as previously stated, we all look for certain things in cars. Too each his own.
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Nismo in a Yota is like Chevy in a Ford wrong all around Sorry to heary your sick in the head I like S13's but nothing compares to a Mustangs and the only reason I got the first S13 was I didnt have enought cash for a Fox Mustang
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yeah lol i meant as in most cars that are already FI to be easily upgradeable, IE DSM/Evo, SRT4, Sti/WRX, things of that nature.

it is easy to make power in a supra, that easiness comes at a lot higher cost.
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so anyways i cant buy a supra now anyways b/c my tranny went out on my mustang so i have to get it fixed and the supra is too much money to get now since i have to fix the tranny on my car too. but i found a 95 cobra for sale for 7,500 w/ a lot of **** done done to the motor and its only got 95k miles on it i drove it and it was awesome!!! i offered him 6,800 for it and he said yeah. so im waiting for a loan approval for it so i wont know till monday.
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lol the woes of having two cars.

you try to mod one, the other breaks down. or you have one, you try to buy a second, and the first one throws a fit and breaks something.
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lol the woes of having two cars.

you try to mod one, the other breaks down. or you have one, you try to buy a second, and the first one throws a fit and breaks something.
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X3 and the more projects you get the tighter money gets all around
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Cars have serious jealousy issues.
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