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Old 06-21-2007, 07:49 AM   #1
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George does it again:

It's only 579 days, 5 hours, and 9 minutes, until George W. Bush is no longer President of the United States.

Of all the crap that George has pulled in his six and a half year tenure as President of the United States, nothing irks me more than his stem cell research stance. I absolutely can't wait for us to get a president in there that won't stand in the way of scientific advancement.

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Give me a break mark!
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Re: George does it again:

About what, Austin?
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Re: George does it again:

other countries are passing us research wise because our "freedoms" are actually holding us back.

george bush... or anyone who is against stem cell research should state their arguement of why its bad to a group of dying people and people with disabilities.
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Re: George does it again:

another note:

i forget whether i read it on here or somewhere else, but i read someone mocking the US since we are one of the leading countries in technology, science, education but still believe in creationism. most countries/catholics at least grew part a brain and believe in intelligent design at bare minimum.

i dont want to turn this thread into another religious debate... but i dont think religion should interfere with the development of scientific research.. ESPECIALLY if its beneficial to mankind. whats next? religious restrictions of colonizing other planets?
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Re: George does it again:

But is all research beneficial to mankind?

Here is my reason for asking....the world is over populated. The reason being that people are living longer than they used to. Families are generally smaller, yet the population continues to grow faster than it shrinks.

It seems as though science won't be happy until people are living forever...or at least 2-3 hundred years.

Now, I don't know much about this whole stem cell debate...but figured I would throw that little tidbit out there.
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id rather they look more into researching skin cells before doing too much with stem cells...
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research involving human pluripotent stem cells...promises new treatments and possible cures for many debilitating diseases and injuries, including Parkinson's disease, diabetes, heart disease, multiple sclerosis, burns and spinal cord injuries. Doctors believes the potential medical benefits of human pluripotent stem cell technology are compelling and worthy of pursuit in accordance with appropriate ethical standards.
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Diabetes is why I'm for it.... My wife is Type I...


Even though our life expectancyis longer, fact is we aren't reproducing half as much as we(as a world) used to. I think within 20-30 years the population will peak and actually start to drop off. Think about how many couples do you know have kids? If they do they typically have one. So take 4 couples and say each has one kid. Then take those 4 kids and make two couples. Assuming they have kids that leaves 2 kids, to make one couple to make one kid.... The population actually went down.

Also think about how many couples you know or people of age who can have kids, and compare it to how many actually have them... Sure the population is still on the rise... For now...


*edit* If I'm not mistaken, there was a thread that actually described the statistics and other numbers behind our population and what kind of reproduction rates it actually takes to keep a population steady.
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But is all research beneficial to mankind?

Here is my reason for asking....the world is over populated. The reason being that people are living longer than they used to. Families are generally smaller, yet the population continues to grow faster than it shrinks.

It seems as though science won't be happy until people are living forever...or at least 2-3 hundred years.

Now, I don't know much about this whole stem cell debate...but figured I would throw that little tidbit out there.
its not just dying people.. its deafness... blindness.. paralysis... recent research shows that stem cells not only build cells.. but also can revive dead/dying ones.

my one deaf friend is 100% for stem cell research. he never heard a single sound in his life... neither has his mother and his 2 sisters.
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I would recommend for reading Michael Crichton's newest book - Next.
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If I had my way.. I'd dig up Abe Lincoln, clone him, and make him president
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Re: George does it again:

All I have to say is this:

"The destruction of human embryonic life is unnecessary for medical progress, as alternative methods of obtaining human stem cells and of repairing and regenerating human tissue exist and continue to be developed."

Sure, there could be several advancement and maybe even cures for what people I love more than myself may have. But, I still do not think we should kill a human being just to advance science. A line must be drawn somewhere.
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But what if this progresses into saving other people's lives? Curing diseases we couldn't before? I'm all for it, sacrifices must be made if we want to progress.

I'm even more sure that once we have these stem cells we could reproduce them and no longer need life to give us these. But if we don't try it we won't know what'll work or not.
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Re: George does it again:

Will you be the first volunteer then? Oh that's right, they can't volunteer, they ARE volunteered...
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Break a few eggs to save a few dozen lives.

You would be totally ok watching your loved one lay in bed getting worse each day but knew they could be cured using stem cell research?
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And yeah I would probably volunteer if I had the ability to. If my life could save many others, I'd do it.
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Re: George does it again:

A lump of 10 or 20 cells don't have rights. That's all I'm going to say.
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Re: George does it again:

and there has been research projects regarding extracting stem cells without killing embryos. but guess what? yep, we can't venture down that road.

other countries, such as russia, allow stem cell research.. which will put the US behind in science/technology/etc. maybe it was ukraine... i know it was some type of russian country... they friggin MURDERED healthy unborn babies strictly for stem cell research...

meanwhile here in america we are cryin about stem cell research while there are literally garbage trucks full of legally aborted fetuses bein taken to god knows where. god forbid those are actually used. lets just dump em in the river or something since they have rights.
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And that would be why I'm against abortion also.
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All I have to say is this:

"The destruction of human embryonic life is unnecessary for medical progress, as alternative methods of obtaining human stem cells and of repairing and regenerating human tissue exist and continue to be developed."

Sure, there could be several advancement and maybe even cures for what people I love more than myself may have. But, I still do not think we should kill a human being just to advance science. A line must be drawn somewhere.

Ok, what about all the embryos used in artificial fertilization. They don't just pull one egg out and fertilize and put it back, they use several, and what do they do with the extra embryos when they are done..... Toss them... There is one source right there.
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i knew he was gonna be the great christian that he is and veto this damn bill. I saw when congress tried passing this a few weeks back. well that didnt take long.

Cant wait for the next president hopefully he'll have half a brain to know what is actually a great advance in technology for us.
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oh btw for those saying take lives is wrong for advancement in the medical field

um do you not realize we have done this from the dawn of medicine? like Aids/HIV/Cancer/and every other disease thats out there now that we have a "cure" for now

come on now dont be silly
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