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Old 07-16-2007, 09:30 AM   #1
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Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

Nearly stock LS2 on 10.5 psi makes 596 to the wheels. Not bad for a motor that can't handle boost, eh?

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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

God. The next time I hear LS on this board, it better be followed by VTEC.
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Nearly stock LS2 on 10.5 psi makes 596 to the wheels. Not bad for a motor that can't handle boost, eh?

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you people are such idiots sometimes.

i never said it couldnt handle boost. i said it cant handle boost like a supra's motor can.
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you people are such idiots sometimes.

i never said it couldnt handle boost. i said it cant handle boost like a supra's motor can.
Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

do they run good for long periods of time on that high boost? (not that 10.5 is high boost but on a high compression engine it is)
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do they run good for long periods of time on that high boost? (not that 10.5 is high boost but on a high compression engine it is)
:dunno: Never had one.
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do they run good for long periods of time on that high boost? (not that 10.5 is high boost but on a high compression engine it is)
prolly a really good tune and good fuel should keep it running strong. 10ish is pretty low boost, decent on a higher comp motor, but we all know its airflow that makes the power, psi is just a measure of the force it takes to move a certain amount of air, or something like that.

whats the cr on a LS1 anyways? isnt it like 10.5:1?
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

it's and LS2 in the thread 6.0L and the ratio is 10.9:1
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you people are such idiots sometimes.

i never said it couldnt handle boost. i said it cant handle boost like a supra's motor can.
Most V type motors can't.
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

How many pounds would it take for a Supra to make 600 at the wheels?
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How many pounds would it take for a Supra to make 600 at the wheels?
Its not quite equal that way, you have to take into account the compression ratio, the timming set, the fuel used and other factors. At the end of the day I would assume the V8 could push more air and make more power if the compression ratio was even overall and the power adders were equal.

For example for an 03/04 cobra to make 600rwhp/tq it takes about 18psi~ on a twin screw (which is not as good at making power per psi as a centrifugal or turbo) and on 8psi with a turbo setup the 03/04 will make about 550rwhp/tq.

Different power adders make more power per psi on average than others~ so thats yet another factor that has to be calculated in.
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

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How many pounds would it take for a Supra to make 600 at the wheels?
psi is not an equivalent factor when speaking boost. psi is only a measure of force exerted on an object, in this situation, its a measure of how hard the turbo must work to move a certain amount of air.

bigger turbo's obviously move more air at the same pressures as their smaller snail counterparts. IE a 60trim will move more air at 15psi than a smaller 16g turbo. this is why when talking psi, you really arent saying much. its like someone saying "oh he has a T4 turbo!" it could mean its a piece of **** junkyard snail or its some high end unit.

so basically psi is not a common factor with regards to power output because of so many variables its not even funny.
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

So, if all this stuff is incomperable, explain your statement that the Supra motors handle boost better?
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

This thread=Waste sites bandwith.

WE HAVE ALREADY DISCUSSED EVERYTHING ABOUT TO BE DISCUSSED AND WHAT ALREADY HAS BEEN DISCUSSED IN THIS THREAD.


Cliff notes of what this thread is and will be.

Compression, how it affects the amount of air that can be forced through the cylinders on pump gas.

PSI, a negative result of lack of airflow in the setup. The same PSI can flow different amounts of air.

More displacement with the same turbo and PSI will make more power.

Smaller motors don't make as much power down low as a larger displacement motor with like modifications.

Then, Thomas pretends to be a forced induction Elitist and says that Supra motors can handle more hp on stock internals, then goes on to mention something about the 4G63 and then mentions something about that Sheppard guy who is doing such and such and blah blah blah with an AWD car and says how impressive it is for what it is..... Then we all agree to disagree... Now can we please stop beating a dead horse??
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Then, Thomas pretends to be a forced induction Elitist and says that Supra motors can handle more hp on stock internals, then goes on to mention something about the 4G63 and then mentions something about that Sheppard guy who is doing such and such and blah blah blah with an AWD car and says how impressive it is for what it is.....
holy **** i was just about to say that!
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

i dont see how a bigger or smaller turbo can move more/less air if both are at the same psi on the same engine.
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

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i dont see how a bigger or smaller turbo can move more/less air if both are at the same psi on the same engine.
Less heat is one example. A bigger turbo is more difficult to take out of it's efficiency range. While a turbo is operating at efficiency, it is generating as little heat as possible compared to a turbo operating outside of it's efficiency having to work harder to maintain the same pressure. This results in "cooler" (so to speak) air which as we all know is denser.

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i dont see how a bigger or smaller turbo can move more/less air if both are at the same psi on the same engine.
thats like saying theres no difference in a whipple/kb as compared to a little m112 eaton. people move up from a 1.7/2.3l kb to a 2.8 or whatever size all the time, and run less boost and see equal or higher numbers. it moves more air and is more efficient.

bigger turbos move more air because they are bigger. more compressor area can move higher volumes of air than a smaller one.
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

But he is having a problem understanding how a container can contain more air than another if both atmospheric pressures are equal. I'm sure he understands that "bigger stuff" holds "bigger stuff".
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

I haven't been following this thread since I don't no squat about turbos, but I would just like to throw this out there:

PRESSURE IS NOT A MEASURE OF FORCE.

Pressure is force over distance, that is all
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

hmm yea there are many factors such as the temp of the air (aka molecules farther apart) and the amount of power the pulley system takes to spin to that given rpm to produce the psi equal~ but overall if temp and conditions are the same psi is psi right?
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I haven't been following this thread since I don't no squat about turbos, but I would just like to throw this out there:

PRESSURE IS NOT A MEASURE OF FORCE.

Pressure is force over distance, that is all
lolz dam you got me there.........

so PSI is a measure of force over the distance of a square inch? didnt see that one coming....
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

No, PSI is a unit of measure of force in pounds over the area of a square inch
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

PSI = pounds per square inch. Pressure (force) over an area. You can increase pressure in a system one of three ways:

1)Decrease volume - Less room for the gas means there's more pressure.
2)Increase gas - More gas in the same volume means there's more pressure.
3)Increase heat - The molecules bounce around more and exert more pressure.
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

What is the pressure (in atm) exerted by a 2.00 mole sample of gas that occupies 2.50L at 34o C? Given r = 0.08206
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

:cussing: Darn you! I used to remember all those crappy chemistry formulas.
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What is the pressure (in atm) exerted by a 2.00 mole sample of gas that occupies 2.50L at 34o C? Given r = 0.08206
.4 bar :dunno:
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

In atm (atmospheric pressure). Bar would be for mm Hg (I believe)
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Re: Hey Thomas, LS motor on boost:

Hang on..........

*edit* First you need to convert C to K... So 34 and 273.15 is 307.15 then multiply 307.15 by .08206 by 2 and you get 50.4094 and since we are using m cubed in this equation as the unit of measurement and since 1 lt equals 1 cubic dm that would mean we have 2.5 cubic dm. Convert that and we have .0025 cubic m. We now divide 50.4094 by .0025 and get 20163 Pa.... We now convert Pa to Atm. 1 Pa equals .000009869 atm, which gives us .199 atm(give or take for how far you want to take decimal places).


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I'm from New Orleans you know I don't know what any of that meens that stuff takes learnings we don't like school down here
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Yeah, the irritating thing is I knew ALL those conversions and formulas by heart (3 college chem classes) and forgot ALL of them.
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