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Old 06-07-2012, 01:53 PM   #946
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I don't bother with them its a waste of gas and if I talk to them iam polite about it
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:10 PM   #947
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I don't bother with them its a waste of gas and if I talk to them iam polite about it
I don't have a problem with ricers (I don't prefer them though). It is when that talk big smack about their cars and constantly lie that I have to put them in their place.
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:19 PM   #948
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I don't have a problem with ricers (I don't prefer them though). It is when that talk big smack about their cars and constanthetly lie that I have to put them in their place.
yah that is the funny part always gives me a good laugh
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Old 06-07-2012, 02:24 PM   #949
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yah that is the funny part always gives me a good laugh
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:08 PM   #950
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Couldn't snap a pick but saw a scion xb with 13x7 wheels the stuck out past the fender and it had "NINTENDO" and Mario graphics all over it. OH! And a folders coffee can where the exhaust is suppose to be!!
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:11 PM   #951
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Though yet again a Honda si can beat the 05 v6 lol just saying
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:16 PM   #952
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Though yet again a Honda si can beat the 05 v6 lol just saying
How do you know that lol
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Lol Becuase the 05 v6 and the new si make 200 to the flywheel the only difference is that the si has a lot less weight so there you go
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Old 06-07-2012, 03:23 PM   #954
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Lol Becuase the 05 v6 and the new si make 200 to the flywheel the only difference is that the si has a lot less weight so there you go
But specs don't prove. Tunes are different.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:01 PM   #955
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I saw a new 370z tt with the license plate v8 kllr. He had some hot broad in the passenger. Anyways I pulled up beside him and left him in my rear view mirror in about 6 seconds
How did you know he was TT? I have a buddy his TT 350z makes almost 800whp. Also have a buddy with a EVO that his plate reads l8r v8. It makes 620whp and runs bottom 10's at track. But he is a big street racer. Spanking vettes and what not.

If done right a 370z with tt could make between 450whp-1000whp. Depending if he has a built block or not.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:03 PM   #956
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How did you know he was TT? I have a buddy his TT 350z makes almost 800whp. Also have a buddy with a EVO that his plate reads l8r v8. It makes 620whp and runs bottom 10's at track. But he is a big street racer. Spanking vettes and what not.

If done right a 370z with tt could make between 450whp-1000whp. Depending if he has a built block or not.
What's the point if they will still look and sound like a ricer? Also why not build a v8 ull get more power for the things u do lol put a single or twin turbo in a v8 and it'll rape mostly anything
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:05 PM   #957
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Though yet again a Honda si can beat the 05 v6 lol just saying
The si will beat a lot of 05-09 v8 mustangs at the track. Stock for stock they are both high 13 low 14 sec cars.

Buddies stock 08 si ran 13.7 at the track.

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What's the point if they will still look and sound like a ricer? Also why not build a v8 ull get more power for the things u do lol put a single or twin turbo in a v8 and it'll rape mostly anything
Not true. They both sound good. And both have raped v8's making same power as them. For simple reason they weigh a lot less.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:05 PM   #958
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The si will beat a lot of 05-09 v8 mustangs at the track. Stock for stock they are both high 13 low 14 sec cars.

Buddies stock 08 si ran 13.7 at the track.
Haha XD sorry buddy but the Honda si will never beat a gt from 05 XD stock for stock lol aside from having more torque and hp also I raced one in my v6 and after 60 I had the torque to go by him like he was standing still XD
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Haha XD sorry buddy but the Honda si will never beat a gt from 05 XD stock for stock lol aside from having more torque and hp also I raced one in my v6 and after 60 I had the torque to go by him like he was standing still XD
After 60 it isnt tq that wins races its HP. And yes a si could. Seen it at the track and on the street. Now a well driven GT should win. Key word is should.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:21 PM   #960
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I don't care about car battles between muscle and import, but the 350 is probably the only import i would own. Its just sexy... Im a lover of all cars, foreign and domestic as long as it goes fast ill drive it!


Except for honda.... Lol
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:24 PM   #961
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If someone argues they would take a 4 banger or v6/i6 vs a V8 comparing all vehicles @ 600+ whp...then they're an idiot. unless you love portraying the "bad boy street racer." I understand passion for a certain type of car, but comparing equal high wheel HP...makes zero since.

One could argue MPG vs V8, but once you figure yearly cost difference in mileage. Then add up what maintenance costs for that 4 or 6. Because revving much higher to keep up with V8...wear/tear is much higher.
I know this because I've built on all platforms...I had live and learn myself, but hard to beat a well engineered V8.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:26 PM   #962
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The si will beat a lot of 05-09 v8 mustangs at the track. Stock for stock they are both high 13 low 14 sec cars.

Buddies stock 08 si ran 13.7 at the track.
Sorry dude but no stock si runs anything faster than a 15 flat. I've heard of factory freaks, but if your friend runs 13's he is over a second faster than he should be.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:27 PM   #963
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I don't care about car battles between muscle and import, but the 350 is probably the only import i would own. Its just sexy... Im a lover of all cars, foreign and domestic as long as it goes fast ill drive it!

Except for honda.... Lol
Don't forget the supra!
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:29 PM   #964
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Some guy told me recently that his 225 hp civic del sol would "run my Stang" which is stock plus radials... Someone please tell me this isn't true.

Otherwise I'm the idiot

No civic experience here...
Sorry for the double post, but if that del sol makes 225 wheel, it's probably trouble.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:41 PM   #965
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Sorry dude but no stock si runs anything faster than a 15 flat. I've heard of factory freaks, but if your friend runs 13's he is over a second faster than he should be.
Same could be said for 05-09 GT's. Seen many run high 14's and 15's bone stock.

And my bad my buddy had a cold air intake on his Si when it ran a 13.9. Not 13.7. Was on phone responding. Now on computer.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:45 PM   #966
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Same could be said for 05-09 GT's. Seen many run high 14's and 15's bone stock.

And my bad my buddy had a cold air intake on his Si when it ran a 13.9. Not 13.7. Was on phone responding. Now on computer.
U see more power gains with a bigger engine with more cylinders also the rpm line on a 500hp 4 banger civic would be **** anyway
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:48 PM   #967
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Same could be said for 05-09 GT's. Seen many run high 14's and 15's bone stock.

And my bad my buddy had a cold air intake on his Si when it ran a 13.9. Not 13.7. Was on phone responding. Now on computer.
05-09 GTs should be in the flat 14 range, and those si's are usually in the low 15's. Not just paper times, i've been on Honda-Tech for a while and everyone there runs those times too. A whole second difference stock is big. Those civics weigh around 2900 lbs, make just over 200hp, and are fwd. Thats not a recipe for 13s.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:58 PM   #968
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U see more power gains with a bigger engine with more cylinders also the rpm line on a 500hp 4 banger civic would be **** anyway
how would it be bad? I know 500-800whp imports that actually look bone stock. Show me a engine in any V8 car that is production that handles double power like the Si which is the K20 engines do. They have been known to handle 550whp bone stock. That is slapping a turbo on it and tuning etc. Almost Tripling its power. No ford engine will tripple its power and stay together. Closest is the GT500 engines. But they start to break right around 1000whp stock. Which is almost doubling its power.

I love close minded people though. It makes for great debates.
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:02 PM   #969
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I'm certainly not arguing Honda quality. That being said, the k20 may handle all that power(500/800 is a huuuge difference!), but there is certainly no reliability. You can go well over it's n/a output with no big risk, and is mostly due to the fact that it is a smaller, lighter rotating assembly. Take that into account along with the general quality of Honda's products and yeah, it's absolutely surprising what they can handle.
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how would it be bad? I know 500-800whp imports that actually look bone stock. Show me a engine in any V8 car that is production that handles double power like the Si which is the K20 engines do. They have been known to handle 550whp bone stock. That is slapping a turbo on it and tuning etc. Almost Tripling its power. No ford engine will tripple its power and stay together. Closest is the GT500 engines. But they start to break right around 1000whp stock. Which is almost doubling its power.

I love close minded people though. It makes for great debates.
I believe its the design of the engine straight type vs v type any popular straight type engine has always been bulletproof as far as i know.
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I believe its the design of the engine straight type vs v type any popular straight type engine has always been bulletproof as far as i know.
+1. Less moving parts, lighter assemblies.
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:07 PM   #972
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+1. Less moving parts, lighter assemblies.
That's also why their frame and chassis don't weight anything...they wouldn't be able to pull it. There is give and take on all cars...and I've tried all platforms. Better believe I'll never take the cons/give that these 4/6s platforms you all speak of vs the cons of a solid v8...never again. Been there, done that.

There's no replacement for displacement.
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Old 06-07-2012, 05:18 PM   #973
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I'm certainly not arguing Honda quality. That being said, the k20 may handle all that power(500/800 is a huuuge difference!), but there is certainly no reliability. You can go well over it's n/a output with no big risk, and is mostly due to the fact that it is a smaller, lighter rotating assembly. Take that into account along with the general quality of Honda's products and yeah, it's absolutely surprising what they can handle.
They have reliability. That's the thing its a myth. Its about the tune. Same thing when SC a new 5.0. There has been some blow up with just a tune. So I guess we have no reliability in our cars? No its about the tune. Sc 5.0's can handle 650whp on pump gas if the tune is right. But then again some bleeding up at 550whp with a tune. Its all in the tune.

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That's also why their frame and chassis don't weight anything...they wouldn't be able to pull it. There is give and take on all cars...and I've tried all platforms. Better believe I'll never take the cons/give that these 4/6s platforms you all speak of vs the cons of a solid v8...never again. Been there, done that.

There's no replacement for displacement.
I agree. Give and take. But I prefer a v8 as well. I have friends with all platforms. From stock to crazy 1000whp builds in muscle cars and imports. Hell one guys 450whp STI sounds like a freaking v8.
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You dont take something that is specifically engineered to make 200hp and triple it's output reliably. Drag Hondas get trailered for a reason.
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You dont take something that is specifically engineered to make 200hp and triple it's output reliably. Drag Hondas get trailered for a reason.
So do v8 drag cars..notice how funny cars and top fuelers are tore down after every race.

Buddy has 3 yrs driving almost everyday on his SI making 540whp. Roughly 620 crank. It runs on e85 as well.
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So do v8 drag cars..notice how funny cars and top fuelers are tore down after every race.

Buddy has 3 yrs driving almost everyday on his SI making 540whp. Roughly 620 crank. It runs on e85 as well.
The only reason he can run enough boost to make that power is the e85... If not his combustion temps would get too high. I know plenty of cars that can make a highway trip to the track and run 9's... None of them are Hondas.
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Like wnt2gofst has stated, reliability is keeping motor from knocking. That's all in the tune, in most cases.
E85 is great for builds. Wish we had more accessibility here.
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Like wnt2gofst has stated, reliability is keeping motor from knocking. That's all in the tune, in most cases.
E85 is great for builds. Wish we had more accessibility here.
Sure, but my issue is with the fact that he praises Honda's durability them says "it's all in the tune". Whats different about a Honda tune and a boosted Mustang's tune? Their motors HOLD the power. If a motor could run any amount of boost and make crazy numbers all depending on the tune, we'd all be running 20psi right now.
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Metals have their breaking points, good tunes are just capable of reaching closer to those limits without catastrophe. Btw, I hate Hondas...I'll never preach their reliability because I've experienced lack there of on 4 different models post 2007.
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Metals have their breaking points, good tunes are just capable of reaching closer to those limits without catastrophe. Btw, I hate Hondas...I'll never preach their reliability because I've experienced lack there of on 4 different models post 2007.
Lol also they will make no power till 5k rpm with 450 hp XD they have the crapiest rpm band
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