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Old 10-31-2007, 05:18 PM   #1
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so im upgrading from my lil 6er to V8 this upcomming summer, its a long ways away i know but i want to know exactly what im lookin for before i start lookin, and one of my buddies recomended a 1994-1995 GT so it would have a 5.0 but i like the 1999-2004 body style a little bit better, when i told him bout that he told me that the 4.6 arent as strong as the 5.0. Any thoughts?
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as far as sticking n/a your options are far more available and cheaper for the 5.0 than the 4.6L. Stock for Stock however a 99-04 GT has more power than a 94-95 GT however like i said, depending on your goals and budget, the 5.0 could be a more feasible buy. If i ever want a n/a car (or n/a+nitrous) i would get a 94-95 GT or Cobra and build that up (if not just be like everyone else and get a Fox)
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im thinkin i want around 300 hp and nitrous. Somethin i can drive around daily bout can still hold its own at the track. Maybe im asking for too much, i dont know.
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I would get a 4.6 hands down. Emissions choked the 5.0.

The new 5.0 however...
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The new Aluminum Supercharger 4.6L Block...AKA...The Aluminator...plenty strong, forged internals, custom cams for your setup, 4V heads.....done.
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I would get a 4.6 hands down. Emissions choked the 5.0.

The new 5.0 however...
emissions eschmissions. im sure most alleviate all "choke" mods by doing full catless exhaust, head/cam, intake, etc. right off the bat.
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so i'm lookin at some 94-95 GTs and Cobras and i've noticed they all of course have quite a few miles on them, if i were to make the 5.0 and 5.8 in cobras strong and good as new what would i all have to do to it?
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mileage schmileage.

just check compression. if its within spec, its good. if not, walk away. If the tranny is smooth, good. no weird noises, etc.

whats your price range? If reliability is more of an issue than money, id look into newer, however its not like mustangs are like prone to catastrophic failures, the most you will likely have to do is standard maintenance and wear items at first to get an older stang up to par, and then go from there.
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so i'm lookin at some 94-95 GTs and Cobras and i've noticed they all of course have quite a few miles on them, if i were to make the 5.0 and 5.8 in cobras strong and good as new what would i all have to do to it?
They only had the 5.8 in the 95 cobra R. The 94-95 cobra came with a 245hp 5.0. 96-98 came with a 300hp 4.6.

Personally for over all driveabilty I would take the 4.6. 300hp isn't a hard goal to reach in either the 5.0 and 4.6 so it just depends on which you want more. Not to mention the 96-98 with a simple head swap from the 99+ you will be running the same kind of power. Add intake, pulleys, full exhaust and a programmer and you should have well over 300hp.
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5.0. What's the point of making horsepower if you can't make any torque?
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Ford changed to the 4.6L to be different ... and well they sure did it lol. I would build a 5.0L its cheaper and you get more bang for your buck.
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emissions eschmissions. im sure most alleviate all "choke" mods by doing full catless exhaust, head/cam, intake, etc. right off the bat.
Depends on how stringent Wisconsin emissions testing is.
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my price range is no more than 12K, and as far as emissions go im not to sure how stringent they are in wi, maybe i could register the vehicle up north where my aunt live where there are no emissions.
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Depends on how stringent Wisconsin emissions testing is.
i live in Cali and the only thing that stopped me from running catless was the sound. I ran catless x-pipe on the GT (sounded horrid with sidepipes and spintechs thus why i removed it), i had a catted X with the current catback when i had the cobra the first time and didnt like it, thus why its still on the stock H-pipe (however id like to modify my catless x-pipe into a h-pipe and throw that on for ****s and giggles). Id just as soon run longtubes with open pipes if it sounded good, especially on a 5.0. I wont let my location have any effect on how i modify my vehicle, only thing that effects it IMO is price and personal taste.
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^so you plan on reinstalling every single piece of equipment to pass the visual AND the sniffer?? Or continue to "pay" for your mods by slipping money to someone you know?

Not really worth it to me. :dunno:
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I keep considering running high flow cats or something... but I am sure it will be WAY to loud and annoying.
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^so you plan on reinstalling every single piece of equipment to pass the visual AND the sniffer?? Or continue to "pay" for your mods by slipping money to someone you know?

Not really worth it to me. :dunno:
well thats a little different. As long as the vehicle is a DD i wont overly modify it to the point that it will not be easily reverted to pass the sniffer in under a weekends work. I wouldnt remove the smog equipment (EGR, etc) because IMO thats really not worth it, plus you dont really see any gains from doing so power wise.

The only thing you can get by really is if your car can pass the sniffer but not visual, in which case you just need someone to "overlook" the engine bay. Since the car must be hooked up to the smog machine which then sends the signal to the DMV saying "we are smogging such and such car with such and such VIN, please wait for PASS or FAIL" the only way around that (if your car is overly modified and will not pass the sniffer) is to hook your ECU up to the machine and use a second stock version of the car hooked up to the sniffer. Having two identical cars in the same bay of the smog shop is a dead giveaway, so the likeliness of finding a shop willing to do so is slim to none. I know someone that does do just that however, only on awd dsm's since he has a stock awd, but only awd since it cant be on the rollers.

If your car will pass the sniffer and fail visual, the best bet is to find a hole-in-the-wall smog shop that doesnt know ****, wouldnt know a KB from a GT35r and wouldnt know what that neat little gauge connected to the fuel return does, doesnt know the difference between a Heat Exchanger or Intercooler to a Radiator, etc.

FWIW, the Cobra with the bassani high-flow cats and Xpipe setup (from the first owner when i sold it) failed the sniffer miserably, high-flows are only for legality and sound purposes. stuck the stock H on and passed with flying colors.
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well thats a little different. As long as the vehicle is a DD i wont overly modify it to the point that it will not be easily reverted to pass the sniffer in under a weekends work. I wouldnt remove the smog equipment (EGR, etc) because IMO thats really not worth it, plus you dont really see any gains from doing so power wise.

The only thing you can get by really is if your car can pass the sniffer but not visual, in which case you just need someone to "overlook" the engine bay. Since the car must be hooked up to the smog machine which then sends the signal to the DMV saying "we are smogging such and such car with such and such VIN, please wait for PASS or FAIL" the only way around that (if your car is overly modified and will not pass the sniffer) is to hook your ECU up to the machine and use a second stock version of the car hooked up to the sniffer. Having two identical cars in the same bay of the smog shop is a dead giveaway, so the likeliness of finding a shop willing to do so is slim to none. I know someone that does do just that however, only on awd dsm's since he has a stock awd, but only awd since it cant be on the rollers.

If your car will pass the sniffer and fail visual, the best bet is to find a hole-in-the-wall smog shop that doesnt know ****, wouldnt know a KB from a GT35r and wouldnt know what that neat little gauge connected to the fuel return does, doesnt know the difference between a Heat Exchanger or Intercooler to a Radiator, etc.

FWIW, the Cobra with the bassani high-flow cats and Xpipe setup (from the first owner when i sold it) failed the sniffer miserably, high-flows are only for legality and sound purposes. stuck the stock H on and passed with flying colors.
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God I love living in the south.
live it up while you can. wont be long till you guys are under the same ****ing horrible standards as us. itll be what happens if we keep electing pussified ****tards as leaders.
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If it happens down here, I doubt they will go back and start doing testing on older used cars.
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live it up while you can. wont be long till you guys are under the same ****ing horrible standards as us. itll be what happens if we keep electing pussified ****tards as leaders.
I will be in a nursing home before that happens.
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I will be in a nursing home before that happens.
Unfortunately from what I've been hearing it will be sooner than you think
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If it happens down here, I doubt they will go back and start doing testing on older used cars.
yeah hopefully it will be like anything 1990 or above for you guys. California the cutoff is 1975 iirc, so anything 74 and older is exempt and you can do whatever the hell you want with it.
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Be sure to check corral... You can find a car where someone else went through all the expense and time of putting the car together... for a lot less than what they have into it..
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Lotta cheap performance parts for 5.0 engines.
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There is a teal 93 cobra (or clone one) with an 03/04 cobra engine/trans in it and that sucker is VERY clean. I think its on chicagosvt.com or what ever that site is.
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