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Old 12-02-2007, 06:26 PM   #36
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In a private market with competition if one doctor won't negotiate for lower prices another one will in order to make money. Right now they don't have too because the government protects them.
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Government health care is not the answer.
Why doesn't it work?

I don't know about you, but personally I love being able to walk into any clinic/hospital, get a full check-up, set a broken limb, treat an illness, get a surgery done, etc, and never fork over a dime at the doctor's office. There are areas that can use some work because nothing is ever perfect - but after breaking a wrist in the States a while back, I'd almost rather strap a 1x4 to my arm, fly back home, and go through our system than deal with another US hospital........ England's been running a very, very effective universal health care program since WWI, and then there's some other European countries like France for example who take their universal health care even further and including other things like dentist and optometrist visits as well as medication.

My health care coverage costs $132 every 3 months (which the majority of companies pay for if you're a full-time employee, so in my case I never see a deduction). That's $528/yr..... pennies of what a surgery in the States could potentially cost if it's needed under the current system. As someone who has friends in the US, I'd love to see something implemented that's actually effective in bringing medical costs down drastically, but as long as health care is owned by publicly shared companies I can't see that happening because those companies will always have an obligation to make their shareholders money.

In a privately run health care system like you mention above, let's say that someone needs a heart transplant.... do you not think that someone with money is going to say, "I'll pay $10,000 to get first dibbs on the first available heart!", despite how little the doctor is willing to do the surgery for? Privately run systems still favour the wealthy and only put the poor on the back burner.
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I don't know about you, but personally I love being able to walk into any clinic/hospital, get a full check-up, set a broken limb, treat an illness, get a surgery done, etc, and never fork over a dime at the doctor's office. There are areas that can use some work because nothing is ever perfect - but after breaking a wrist in the States a while back, I'd almost rather strap a 1x4 to my arm, fly back home, and go through our system than deal with another US hospital........ then there's some European countries like France for example who take their universal health care even further and including other things like dentist and optometrist visits as well as medication.
Were you a U.S. Citizen when you broke your wrist? You can't compare health care for a non U.S. Citizen to someone who is a U.S. Citizen. If I broke my wrist in Canada I'm sure it wouldn't be as simple as walking into a Doctors office and leaving without paying a dime. I can get insured by BCBS for 103 dollars a month with a 500 dollar deductible. It insures me for 1 million dollars for during my lifetime.

I can do that with the health insurance I have no from Blue Cross Blue Shields. The problem with American health care is that the government has allowed big insurance corporations to over charge and basically rip off Americans.

You are right. The current health care system in America allows Doctors and insurance companies to basically rape you with medical bills. The solution isn't for the government to take over our health care from private health care providers, it's to do the things Ron Paul suggested.

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* Eliminating federal regulations that discourage small businesses from providing coverage.
* Giving doctors the freedom to collectively negotiate with insurance companies and drive down the cost of medical care.
* Making every American eligible for a Health Savings Account (HSA), and removing the requirement that individuals must obtain a high-deductible insurance policy before opening an HSA.
* Reform licensure requirements so that pharmacists and nurses can perform some basic functions to increase access to care and lower costs.
People need to stop relying on the government to hold their hand and use these government programs as a reason to tax us to death. You might be happy with the way your government handles your medical care but I'm not willing to give our government that responsibility.
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No I wasn't a US citizen, and I'm really not sure what it would be like for someone coming into a Canadian hospital from the US, so I can only speak from my own experiences. How different the experience would be if I was... obviously I also can't say.

If I didn't have out-of-country travel insurance, I would've had to pay at the hospital, then after getting back I would have to submit a receipt in my tax return at the end of the year.......... or so I believe that's how it works anyway, but because I had that insurance, I just presented my card and it was taken care of that way, not requiring any payment from me.
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my girlfriend studies health care administration and will be a medical consultant and says that we need to conform to a health care system similar to the french system. also, there are so many misconceptions on socialized medicine its absurd. i'll post later in details after i talk to her (i want to get my facts straight). basically is what it comes down to is that we dont want a completely socialized system.... government regulations on the insurance companies are needed.
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I want something to be done about the VA Hospitals damn it
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So who was your favorite "scandal" free President or one that did exactly everything you wanted. I've already said if you look hard enough anyone can find something you don't like about <insert politician>.
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So who was your favorite "scandal" free President or one that did exactly everything you wanted. I've already said if you look hard enough anyone can find something you don't like about <insert politician>.
It's just that some have longer lists.
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It's just that some have longer lists.
So who do you support?
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So who do you support?
To be honest, no one at the moment.

I am more into the medical insurance debate at the moment.

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You might be happy with the way your government handles your medical care but I'm not willing to give our government that responsibility.
Your right Brent. Socialized health care is a horrible choice. So are our libraries, fire departments, and police departments. All of which are socialized.
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Yea and look how much money is pissed away on Fire Departments and Police Departments every day while the people who actually go out there and put their lives on the line get paid **** for doing it.

Hell why we are at it, since you think the government does a wonderful job managing the FBI, CIA, State, Local Police and Fire Departments let's just make the move to socialism and let the government hold our hands. Don't like sarcasm? Me either.
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I'm not saying that the healthcare has to run run by the federal government. I much rather see it ran by the individual states making choices on what is the best way to provide healthcare to their citizens.

Private healthcare does not work. I am tired of both parties trying to patch a problem that doesn't work to begin with. If I wanted to go out on my own and get coverage seperate from any employer, I would be denied because I had a pre-existing condition. I had surgery to remove cyst from my scalp last summer. Do not pass go. Do not get medical coverage. That is how horrible it is right now. Another big problem are drug companies banking on you not getting better.
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This is unregulated private health care that favors big corporations. Just because the current "Private" health care doesn't work doesn't mean you give up and let the government take it over, run it even worse and then increase your taxes because now they are officially taking care of you.
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This is unregulated private health care that favors big corporations. Just because the current "Private" health care doesn't work doesn't mean you give up and let the government take it over, run it even worse and then increase your taxes because now they are officially taking care of you.
For 30 years it hasn't worked. What makes anyone think that all of a sudden it will start.
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No ****. For the last 30 years the current system hasn't worked.

You think there is only one way to do Private Health Care?

When you showed how well the Police and Fire Fighters do being controlled by the government you conveniently left out all the other programs that have failed miserably.... like I don't know.... SOCIAL Security.
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regardless, something needs to be done. the amount of people in this country who don't have health insurance because they can't afford it is ridiculous. no one should ever be denied health care cause of the amount of money they make.

and don't get me started on the salaries of police/fire/rescue---they get paid **** for doing a job where people hate them just because they wear a badge and a uniform. but when it comes to them needing something, they are their best friends.
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if we had socialized healthcare, lots of our doctors would move and not many people would want to go to freakin school for 10 years after highschool to make ****.
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if we had socialized healthcare, lots of our doctors would move and not many people would want to go to freakin school for 10 years after highschool to make ****.
most socialized health care countries provide free education as well...
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most socialized health care countries provide free education as well...
True. When both of my parents have lived here their entires lives, and paid taxes, here there is no reason why I can't go to a community college for nearly free.

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if we had socialized healthcare, lots of our doctors would move and not many people would want to go to freakin school for 10 years after highschool to make ****.
And most socialized headlth care doctors get paid far more, and they get to help people. Doctors get bonus checks if their patients quit smoking.
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Private health care needs another chance to be properly organized before this country gives it's health care over to the government.

One thing that would help the Doctors is if John Edwards and people like him would stop suing them for ridiculous ****.

Anyway.... new topic.....

Winfrey tells Iowa crowd: We need Barack Obama - CNN.com

Anyone else surprised that Oprah, who never gave her support for a presidential candidate before now is throwing her support behind the only Black democrat running?

Not me.
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One more argument about socialized medicine. When has the government EVER managed anything well? When? Ever read anything about the Army Corp of Engineers? Look at Congress itself? Why the hell would you want to put your health care in the hands in a bunch of greedy folks who can't even run their own ****.
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Why the hell would you want to put your health care in the hands in a bunch of greedy folks who can't even run their own ****.
I believe you are talking about a corporation.
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I believe you are talking about a corporation.
No, I am talking about our government that mis manages everything it touches.
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No, I am talking about our government that mis manages everything it touches.
So why do we even vote?
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the VA health system is government run and their costs have risen according the rate of inflation while other health care has increased double the rate of inflation. they have higher health care quality, lower cost, and better care overall than rest of the nation. they also have adopted technology that the rest of our nation has yet to adopt which will improve quality even further such as online scheduling, electronic medical records (no more referrels), etc.
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Private health care needs another chance to be properly organized before this country gives it's health care over to the government.
There's no room for a "second chance" for healthcare. Just like gas prices and consumption, a catastrophe and an extreme overhaul with no room for looking back has to happen. People have to realize for themselves how horribly wrong the system has gone ever since Nixon approved the Kaiser Permanente system and decide for themselves if they want socialized healthcare, which leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth (thanks Reagan), or take their child to a hospital only to be told to go to another resulting in the death of their child all because of insurance specifics and bureaucracy. If anyone thinks tech support in India is slow and meaningless, try talking to your health insurance provider.
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So why do we even vote?
Why do we spend money with these "horrible" corporations that you seem to think are worse than a bunch of politicians with billions of dollars of our money, takin every year, with very little of it returned?

I'm voting for change this year. I'm voting for the only person who wants to give me control over my life back. You can vote for whoever you wish. If you want socialized health care then vote for a democrat. You'll be voting for larger government and higher taxes. How do you think the democrats are going to pay for your health care? Out of their pockets? Nope, you'll be looking at higher taxes. I'm sick of paying this country to **** everything up. I pay over 40% of my money back to the government because I am self employed. I'm not about to vote for a politician that wants to add more government and then use it to tax the hell out of us.
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There's no room for a "second chance" for healthcare. Just like gas prices and consumption, a catastrophe and an extreme overhaul with no room for looking back has to happen. People have to realize for themselves how horribly wrong the system has gone ever since Nixon approved the Kaiser Permanente system and decide for themselves if they want socialized healthcare, which leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth (thanks Reagan), or take their child to a hospital only to be told to go to another resulting in the death of their child all because of insurance specifics and bureaucracy. If anyone thinks tech support in India is slow and meaningless, try talking to your health insurance provider.
Private health care in it's current state is flawed. No one is arguing that isn't true. There is not one way to do private health care however and reforms need to happen to the current system to drastically improve it. Private health care can work when properly kept in check and not allow the insurance corporations and the hospitals to continually grow out of control.

Socialized health care is not a good solution to a system that only needs to be improved. Revamping the entire system and giving control of that system to politicians is the most harmful thing you can do for this countries health care.

Again, the government has shown time after time that everything they do they screw up.
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when a HMO is provided to a person, they clearly state the specified hospitals the person has to attend before a person is signed onto their insurance policy. if they want to go to another hospital, they can go for a PPO which has preferred organizations but with additional costs for hopsitals outside their network. otherwise, you can get another form of healthcare. thats why HMO are cheaper is because of their premiums at selected hospitals. if you take your child to a hospital outside your network, you are going to be denied... you signed a paper to that agreement.
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the VA health system is government run and their costs have risen according the rate of inflation while other health care has increased double the rate of inflation. they have higher health care quality, lower cost, and better care overall than rest of the nation. they also have adopted technology that the rest of our nation has yet to adopt which will improve quality even further such as online scheduling, electronic medical records (no more referrels), etc.
The VA health system doesn't take care of the entire American population either.
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this is true, but the patient hopsital ratio of the VA system is equivalent to the patient hospital ratio of the entire nation. this means that if this system was used in all hospitals as a means to address health care reform, it would only improve our system. Your previous statement was opposing government control of our healthcare system. I understand that this is a concern of the entire nation at this point in time. I am merely stating that looking at the facts of the VA health system and its success in improving healthcare....it really only makes sense to adopt the same system. The VA health system has served as a model of using health information technology to improve health care overall, and although it initially had some problems, they have successfully solved them. This model is now a successful functioning model which could be applied to the entire country overall. Many of the other suggestions of improving health care rely on a new model which would only increase problems prior to improving them. Also, our health care system is currently relying on employers to run the system. This is an ineffecient method since their main concern is profit from the industry. The government, however, pays a large portion of health care costs, and has been the main contributor in funding new methods to improve the health care system. With costs on the rise, and health care quality decreasing as we speak, why not let the government step in and improve the system using a model they have already successfully implemented?

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