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Old 01-10-2008, 12:32 PM   #1
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Same deal as we are doing with member cars, but, ford is claiming ownership of pictures of OUR cars.

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Also, they were going through Cafe Press for the calendars, and ford contacted them directly stating they own the pics even though they are of member rides...so if we were going to go through CP...we will need to rethink as I am sure they won't print ours either.
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So retarded. What the hell is Ford's problem? They are going to run off some of their best customers doing this crap.
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I got some more info from the folks at cafepress and according to them, a law firm representing Ford contacted them saying that our calendar pics (and our club's event logos - anything with one of our cars in it) infringes on Ford's trademarks which include the use of images of THEIR vehicles. Also, Ford claims that all the images, logos and designs OUR graphics team made for the BMC events using Danni are theirs as well. Funny, I thought Danni's title had my name on it ... and I thought you guys owned your cars ... and, well ... I'm not even going to get into how wrong and unfair I feel this whole thing is as I'd be typing for hours, but I wholeheartedly echo everything you guys have been saying all afternoon. I'm not letting this go un-addressed and I'll keep you guys posted as I get to work on this.

I'm sorry, but at this point we will not be producing the 2008 BMC Calendar, featuring our 2007 Members of the Month, solely due to Ford Motor Company's claim that THEY own all rights to the photos YOU take of YOUR car. I hope to resolve this soon, and be able to provide the calendar and other BMC merchandise that you guys want and deserve! This thread will remain open for you to comment however you wish, and I'll update it as needed.

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This has come up before. Unless BMC has serious cash to fight them they might as well just find another place to print the Calendars. I think Meteorachick has a local place that will due it under the radar of Ford.
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That's why I posted this up...because I remember something coming up about possibly using CP....
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Unfortunately, while I don't think it's fair at all and Ford is being really anal about it, they are well within their legal rights to do this...

Basically, even though you "own" the car and the pictures of said car, the Ford logos, images, and Mustang name belong to Ford...Being that that are all over the car that you own, any images associated with said images, logos, etc. belongs to Ford and they are free to do with or not do with as they please...

The physical objects, namely the cars/pictures, belong to the individual, but the ideas behind them and the symbols found on them belong to the original designer/maker, i.e. Ford...

I am sure though that Ford would be more than glad to let BMC publish said calendars IF they pay a royalty to Ford for use of their names/logo/etc...Probably something to the effect of 25%ish of the price each calendar is sold for...

While it is incredibly petty and cheap on Ford's part, the Mustang is after all their product and they own all rights to that name...

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i'm not gonna put anything here that will get me in trouble, but im taking care of it, and i'll leave it at that
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That's why I put it in underground so guests and spiders couldn't see it. Can be moved to finest if need be later.

But yeah, figured this would nip any thought of going through CP in the bud.
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Ford strikes again !! It's beyond Ghey
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Anyone have an email address to start spamming ford again? I'll be more than happy to send them an email a day until I get the response I want.
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Yeah thats kind of stupid. They act like its going to profit someone else alot or something. Their screwing with the people that support them. :no:
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upper management has no common sense sometimes.
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upper management has no common sense sometimes.
That is the quote of the Month
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^^^ You just have to remove the "sometimes" part of it...
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Email sent to Ford...won't do anything but what the hell.

Also, who do I contact at Ford to write me the check to reimburse me for the 5 Fords I have bought that Ford thinks they still own.
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^damn right! check please!
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yea, that's retarted.

it's not like they're trying to market a calender full of hot mustangs...they're putting together a calender of mustangs they own/are in a community with with no intention of profit but just paying the costs of printing etc...so dumb
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mm as a photographer I OWN my photos under the US Copyright laws. gesh..

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Cafe Press sent a letter to Seph, saying they took down his tribal Mustang artwork because Ford said it was their own copyrighted logo and didn't want any profit going to him. Course this was a few months ago..
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Cafe Press is retarded, seph's drawing was his own personal artwork the he created himself, so what that it resembled a running pony. HE DREW IT. Cafe Press is just as bad as Ford, they need to grow a ****ing backbone and stand up for their customers. I can't stand this ****. I'm going to go drink lots of beer.
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when you have people running ford that dont have a clue how to do it this is the kind of thing that takes place.
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The people that are real high up in the ranks just dont give a ****. also they are usually there just cause they knew some one above their level, and (back to comment of the month) have no clue what they are doing except making big $$,$$$,$$$. imo
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mm as a photographer I OWN my photos under the US Copyright laws. gesh..

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Yes you do...however if they are of ford products, they also have a copyright claim to them from the sounds of it...
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Want to know how bad Ford is at running a company, just look at the Detroit Lions...
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Yes, but if Ford wants to pull the plug its not a Copyright issue... " A trademark protects words, phrases, symbols, or designs identifying the source of the goods or services of one party and distinguishing them from those of others. " This is why you see anything with FORD or MUSTANG or a pony on it it will read under it "XXX is a trademark of the Ford MO. Co. ... But when Ford comes to me and says they "OWN" my photos then leave me alone. As a photographer under NO contract with Ford then I own the photos as long as I put that the ford or mustang is a trademark of the Ford Mo. Co. I deal with copyright laws atleast 5 times a week (well not anymore friday is my last day at Cord camera) due to people trying to print copyright photos. Now if I worked for Ford then they have the legal right of all the photos I take while working for them. Like if you work for a news paper they own your photos even if your just walking around at an event.
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I think I may get a Challenger or a Chevy for my next car. I'm tired of Ford's BS.

Stop harassing your customers and make a better vehicle.
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Yes, but if Ford wants to pull the plug its not a Copyright issue... " A trademark protects words, phrases, symbols, or designs identifying the source of the goods or services of one party and distinguishing them from those of others. " This is why you see anything with FORD or MUSTANG or a pony on it it will read under it "XXX is a trademark of the Ford MO. Co. ... But when Ford comes to me and says they "OWN" my photos then leave me alone. As a photographer under NO contract with Ford then I own the photos as long as I put that the ford or mustang is a trademark of the Ford Mo. Co. I deal with copyright laws atleast 5 times a week (well not anymore friday is my last day at Cord camera) due to people trying to print copyright photos. Now if I worked for Ford then they have the legal right of all the photos I take while working for them. Like if you work for a news paper they own your photos even if your just walking around at an event.

So...legally, could we put that the mustang and ford logo are both registered trademarks of ford and get away with it? Or do we still have to pay the pied piper
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I think I may get a Challenger or a Chevy for my next car. I'm tired of Ford's BS.

Stop harassing your customers and make a better vehicle.
Every Automaker does this. It's not exclusive to Ford. I'm sure if you were a member of a Dodge forum for a couple of years you would come across this on there as well.
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Every Automaker does this. It's not exclusive to Ford. I'm sure if you were a member of a Dodge forum for a couple of years you would come across this on there as well.
Well for the record, I've been hearing more about these types of incidents happening by Ford over any other company thus far. I have heard of Subaru doing it to their members tho
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Thats just straight up bs, im not going to type out how I feel, because each of you have expressed exactly how i feel about it already. But, Ford is not going to help their business at all this way. How many ppl do you think could potentially look at each one of those BMC calendars. Now what if they printed lets say 250 calendars. Say during the year of the calendar being hung, 30 different people, friends family, coworkers, w/e see it. what if only 2 people out of those 30 were like, hmm thats a sweet mustang, my finances might be ok if i picked one of those mean looking things up at my local FORD dealership in the next couple months. 2 people for each calendar hung=500 potential cars sold. You guys get my point.
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No if you use Ford or anything you must pay the fee that they have and they must say when and where you can use them..
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Looks like these guys got bit too....

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I bet Ford has someone working full time monitoring Cafe Press just to try and squeeze every nickel they can out of everyone possible.
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its ridiculous.....i'm working on getting things printed and such



just fyi for anyone wondering, ours won't begin with january, probably feb or march just so i can get some time to make it perfect
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Looks like this has been resolved.

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