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Old 01-10-2008, 12:47 PM   #1
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The problem with domestic automakers.

I got this in an email from my girlfriend.


A Japanese company ( Toyota ) and an American company (Ford) decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race.

On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile.

The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action.

Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and 1 person rowing.

Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion.

They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing.

Not sure of how to utilize that information , but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager.

They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rower. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses.

The next year the Japanese won by two miles.

Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India .

Sadly, Th e End.

Here's something else to think about: Ford has spent the last thirty years moving all its factories out of the US , claiming they can't make money paying American wages.

TOYOTA has spent the last thirty years building more than a dozen plants inside the US . The last quarter's results:

TOYOTA makes 4 billion in profits while Ford racked up 9 billion in losses.

Ford folks are still scratching their heads.

IF THIS WEREN'T SO TRUE IT MIGHT BE FUNNY!!!
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Re: The problem with domestic automakers.

lol because Ford is the only domestic automaker. Whoever created that email was obviously not a Ford fan.

Funny and true anyways. We give incentives for Toyota to build plants in our country. They have on in Alabama. We gave them tax credits until we were basically giving them free land and less tax percentages than I pay.
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Re: The problem with domestic automakers.

Not only that, but toyota and the rest of them don't belong to the UAW if I remember right. That right there makes it much more affordable to build here than an american automaker.

None the less...it isn't just the automakers that follow that structure...I had 4 different managers at both Xerox and Kodak when I worked there...after the first level, the next 3 levels were just managers of managers...and then there were the people who reached a pay grade that required them to become managers and they became managers of nothing that just showed up to work each day to log hours for their paychecks. Talk about a dream job.
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Re: The problem with domestic automakers.

if the import makers had to abide by the same rules and regulations as the domestic makers, they would be in the same boat.

ford is tanking in the us, but succeeding everywhere else. i dont see Ford going under anytime soon, but i see ford pulling out of the US market entirely within my lifetime.
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Re: The problem with domestic automakers.

What rules and regs don't imports have to abide by? Or are you referring the the rules and regs put forth by the UAW?

Ford does well outside the US because they don't have to follow the same inflated pay rates as they do here...as well as provide all the inflated benefits as they do here.
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American Bureaucracy, Aint it wonderful? lol
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Re: The problem with domestic automakers.

i still thought it was kinda funny
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i still thought it was kinda funny
I agree. Funny only because of the high level of truth in it.
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a song that can best descibe this is Metallica's "SAD BUT TRUE" either that or "Master of Puppets"
but it's f'd up but true
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Re: The problem with domestic automakers.

I wish they would remove the UAW and make you WORK and prove yourself with your SKILL for your pay...
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Re: The problem with domestic automakers.

this is sad. Is it me or does it seem like original americans ( people born in american, and no ofense what so ever) are being screwed over and over? angain no offense, but forigners from all country pay fewer taxes, get US grants, and even get paid by the government to live here sometimes. I just have to stop and think. this is the land of opportunity, well its supposed to be but I didnt think we (americans) had to pay for everyone elses opportunties. my 2 cents
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Re: The problem with domestic automakers.

toyota has started losing some of their quality brownie points from media like comsumer reports. the tundra has been real junk with camshafts breaking and problems with the drivetrain. also they have had issues with engine sludge.
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Re: The problem with domestic automakers.

the real problem with domestic automakers...................UNIONS
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unions have the big 3 by the balls pretty much.
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Re: The problem with domestic automakers.

I agree the problem with the big three is the union, which is why a lot of 'american' cars are being made in canada and mexico, even the new camaros are being made in canada
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canada has the caw though. not going to be any advantage building cars in canada though with the weaker US dollar.
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