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Old 03-05-2008, 09:50 PM   #106
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You haven't answered a single question posed back at you with any common sense. How about you take a second and try and tell us what exactly you are getting at. Mumbling more scripture to answer scripture isn't working for you anymore.

I'm sure I can grab 2 verses and pull them out of context just to prove a point as well.
I have answered every question with scripture and have many more. Nothing is out of context as the whole Bible is his Holy Word. To some clearlight, to others a stumbling block. His Elect will completely understand. Heading to 700 hits. GGBIW
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Now you know how I feel when I ask something as simple as who created God
No one created God. He is, was, and always will be. I know that doesn't make any sense to you and many others. But that is what I believe based on His Word.
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I have answered every question with scripture and have many more. Nothing is out of context as the whole Bible is his Holy Word. To some clearlight, to others a stumbling block. His Elect will completely understand. Heading to 700 hits. GGBIW
I am sorry but your scripture references are thin at best. They don't really support what you are saying.
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I am sorry but your scripture references are thin at best. They don't really support what you are saying.
Don't be sorry. I stand before the Lord saying it is he that reveals scripture. I know what it says to me. I have pages of scripture that verifies what I said. Only Gods elect will understand his Holy Bible. I stand by what I have posted. To God be the Glory. GGBIW
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So we may all ask questions and then answer by the Bible, BUT I must remind us all that the Bible was written by man.... I can write up a religion right now and publish it and get "followers" (figureatively). People bull**** me everyday, how am I to believe in a book that was written by man himself? I am sure humans during that time were capable of "bull****ting" someone.... Why should I belive in something we (man) created?
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Oh, I understand the Bible, which is why I disagree with what you are saying.
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Here's a thread with even more hits:

Was wondering....

It's a good one.

I personally know that I click this thread every time I come on the site just so I can have a good chuckle.
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So we may all ask questions and then answer by the Bible, BUT I must remind us all that the Bible was written by man.... I can write up a religion right now and publish it and get "followers" (figureatively). People bull**** me everyday, how am I to believe in a book that was written by man himself? I am sure humans during that time were capable of "bull****ting" someone.... Why should I belive in something we (man) created?
You can believe whatever you want. I have said to trust no man, including myself. I have stated the Holy Bible is perfect and God's word. I have posted what I see in the Scriptures. You can read the scriptures yourself and judge how you want. The Bible was written by God through men inspired by the Holy Spirit. You can discount that if you want. I will post more scripture showing what I have already said. God is calling his elect and nothing will stop what he wills. Trust no man, if you do I remind you of Jim Jones, David Koresh and the like. You have God's word in the Holy Bible. That is certain. If you don't believe I can not change your mind. Only the Lord does that. To God be the Glory. GGBIW
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You keep saying this but your only "proof" of this is from the Bible. How do you know that the men that wrote the bible were inspired by the holy spirit?
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The Bible is the word of God. How do you know? The Bible says it's the word of god.

Circular reasoning at it's finest.
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If you read the Holy Bible, God will reveal that it is his word. If he chooses to. The Bible was written in such a way as to confuse some and to others it is understood. It could have been written the size of a small pamphlet with no parables and no hidden truth. It is the Lord that grants wisdom to understand. GGBIW.
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Here is my argument for the Bible, and I know it is not good enough for y'all, but this is how I believe. God is all powerful. Yes. Man wrote the Bible, edited, translated, blah blah. It was inspired by God to Man through the Holy Spirit. Man is flawed, but don't you think an all powerful God would make sure that His Holy Word, the we are to live by, get our information about Him, ect., was exactly how he wanted it to be? I do. I don't think God would allow His Holy Word to be anything less than exactly how He wants it.
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Which version is exactly the way he wants it?
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If you have a strong concordance as I do you can translate it back exactly how it was first written. It is very helpful going back to the original Greek or Hebrew . The King James was translated accurately. Some words such as "Know" in the King James is "experience" in Hebrew. It is truely the word of God as it is intertwined and in total harmony within itself. Other versions lose meaning in the translation but the King James is what I read. Nice to hear from the person that started the thread. GGBIW
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Here is my argument for the Bible, and I know it is not good enough for y'all, but this is how I believe. God is all powerful. Yes. Man wrote the Bible, edited, translated, blah blah. It was inspired by God to Man through the Holy Spirit. Man is flawed, but don't you think an all powerful God would make sure that His Holy Word, the we are to live by, get our information about Him, ect., was exactly how he wanted it to be? I do. I don't think God would allow His Holy Word to be anything less than exactly how He wants it.
You are absolutely correct. If the Lord can create man he can certainly keep his Holy Bible intact. Jesus taught in the Temple from the then Holy Bible. The New testament was written after he rose from the dead. It is perfect. GGBIW
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Close to 800 hits. Praise the Lord. GGBIW
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I'm sorry folks, I don't believe in God. I was raised in an Irish-Italian Roman Catholic from Brooklyn kind of family. My father (Irish side) took us to Church every Sunday and those other days where it was required to attend Mass. I went to Catholic school my entire life, until senior year of high school (and upon graduating I received a certificate from the Diocese allowing me to teach elementary Catholicism).

Religion, all religion makes me doubt human intelligence. Now I've become a man of science, and have found that our existence may not have entirely depended on a supernatural force. The reason I doubt human intelligence is because everything is under the name God. He fights the wicked, but let's man strive for himself, or gives us free will or chose between Paradise. Now I am nitpicking, but, and I am not saying that it is anyone here, declare a lot in the name their Deity. So, and a redundant question at that, who is the right sect? Which cult can bypass an entire evolution chain to claim the Holy Land as their own? Who is the true prophet, and when will "it" come back, or has it came already, or yet to come?

Religion has so many loopholes in it. I'm surprised many people have not caught onto the idea that perhaps God was just an ancient way for our predecessors to explain the unexplainable. Why plants grow and the sun cycles. The obvious answer to them would have been, "Well there is a stronger force with us, a "god"."

But please, I am not trying to bash religion, or those who have a strong relationship with their god. I'm sorry I did not read 4 pages of posts either lol. In fact perhaps I am jealous that I do now have a blind belief in such an ideology (which is really the true meaning of faith).

In truth I applaud you for being able to keep your faith. The extent of my faith, if that's what you want to call it, is that I curse God's name everyday.
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Close to 800 hits. Praise the Lord. GGBIW
the site had threads that had pictures of planes and mexico city with more than at least ten times more hits than this. i also believe a discussion of whether a turbo would blow a stock v6 engine had a couple thousand....
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God is calling his elect home. Even those that believe in science as it points to intelligent design. As far as church, the Lord is calling his Elect out of the church into his Holy Bible. As far as hits on threads , when I first posted it stood at 230. I will post a scripture and what my interpretation is every Sunday. It is up to you to read the Bible and see if I'm talking folley.Trust no man ,especially a man at the pulpit. Trust the Holy Bible and ask the Lord to give you understanding. Nothing will stop the Lord from calling his choosen home. GGBIW
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I'm sorry folks, I don't believe in God. I was raised in an Irish-Italian Roman Catholic from Brooklyn kind of family. My father (Irish side) took us to Church every Sunday and those other days where it was required to attend Mass. I went to Catholic school my entire life, until senior year of high school (and upon graduating I received a certificate from the Diocese allowing me to teach elementary Catholicism).

Religion, all religion makes me doubt human intelligence. Now I've become a man of science, and have found that our existence may not have entirely depended on a supernatural force. The reason I doubt human intelligence is because everything is under the name God. He fights the wicked, but let's man strive for himself, or gives us free will or chose between Paradise. Now I am nitpicking, but, and I am not saying that it is anyone here, declare a lot in the name their Deity. So, and a redundant question at that, who is the right sect? Which cult can bypass an entire evolution chain to claim the Holy Land as their own? Who is the true prophet, and when will "it" come back, or has it came already, or yet to come?

Religion has so many loopholes in it. I'm surprised many people have not caught onto the idea that perhaps God was just an ancient way for our predecessors to explain the unexplainable. Why plants grow and the sun cycles. The obvious answer to them would have been, "Well there is a stronger force with us, a "god"."

But please, I am not trying to bash religion, or those who have a strong relationship with their god. I'm sorry I did not read 4 pages of posts either lol. In fact perhaps I am jealous that I do now have a blind belief in such an ideology (which is really the true meaning of faith).

In truth I applaud you for being able to keep your faith. The extent of my faith, if that's what you want to call it, is that I curse God's name everyday.
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When I first posted in this the following Thread, it had about 30 views. Now it has nearly 2,500.

http://www.mustangevolution.com/forum/t21335/

The Black is calling his Elect. The Wet Stick is near. For in post #62, The Red said: "Shut up CUNDI~! For why shall we use nachos, when we haveth a wet stick???"

Trust not the need for nachos, especially Spicy Nachos or Cool Ranch nachos. Trust only in the power of the Wet Stick. If you read the Thread, Cundus will reveal that he is actually The Orange, several times. I will post more posts from the Thread every 8 hours, so that you can hear my interpretation. It is up to you to decide whether or not The Blue is full of it.
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When I first posted in this the following Thread, it had about 30 views. Now it has nearly 2,500.

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The Black is calling his Elect. The Wet Stick is near. For in post #62, The Red said: "Shut up CUNDI~! For why shall we use nachos, when we haveth a wet stick???"

Trust not the need for nachos, especially Spicy Nachos or Cool Ranch nachos. Trust only in the power of the Wet Stick. If you read the Thread, Cundus will reveal that he is actually The Orange, several times. I will post more posts from the Thread every 8 hours, so that you can hear my interpretation. It is up to you to decide whether or not The Blue is full of it.
Ben, I have no need for an interpretation, just the scripture from that thread is enough to sustain me. Please help my morale by providing uplifting and inspirational quotes from the Blue.
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It is a matter of record how we all feel. Some are serious, others to folley. God see's everything. To God be the Glory. GGBIW
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It is a matter of record how we all feel. Some are serious, others to folley. God see's everything. To God be the Glory. GGBIW
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Your's are? Thanks. GGBIW
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The people reading these posts can see who is serious and who isn't.I say all posts have meaning. They tell a persons position on the subject. Some have faith, others don't. It is very apparent as well as how they conduct themselves. Approaching 900 hits. To God be the Glory. GGBIW
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religious discussions almost always spark arguements, hate, pride and violence. one reason why i ducked out of this thread while i could... probably making a mistake entering again. im not a fan of religious discussions of this nature.

holy wars, executions, discrimination, "i art holier than thou" pride, etc. almost every religion contributes to hypocrisy in one way or another.

what defines "good"? to believe in doctrine? to kill people of another religion? i know good people who are athiests and just as many bad people who follow holy scriptures full heartedly. don't get me wrong, i know good people of multiple religions, but i don't judge who is or wrong or misled or whatever because of their beliefs. to say that these good people are hell bound is absurd in my opinion. even further, the buddhist monks that live a absolutely pure life in every aspect of the way are forsaken because they don't know/care who jesus is?

i am a good person, will continue to be a good person, and will die a good person. i have a very clear conscious and in the definition of almost all religions i am a good person. i helped raise over 6 million dollars for kids with cancer annually for the last 4 years. the only two commandments i break are saying god's name in vane and not attending church on sundays. but i ate meat today, believe the earth is older than 6000 years, know that dinosaurs existed, and don't believe in miracles. therefore, i am bad?
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Evil Wiarumas. Eternal damnation, torment and sorrow await you in the depths of helll! Acknowlege your savior or burn forever! It is the only way!

And I want some glory. Why the hell should God get it all. To Mark be the glory. **** yeah, Glorious.
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ggbiw - what religious denomination are you? And do you take the Bible literally?

As for atheists and Buddhist monks - Despite what people want you to believe, atheists have faith as well. Before you cry out "That's impossible they don;t believe in a higher being!", the idea of faith does not always concern a "human-esque deity. If people believe in the earth or the sun as their god, they have faith in their sun god, or earth god, that is the earth being the source of their being. So wouldn't a blind belief in not believing constitute as faith as well?

Atheists have organized and the popularity has grown (I.M.O. it's nothing more than a fad, a bunch of blind followers that don't know the truth or anything close to it). It has gone from an idea to a cult and now almost a religion. Most importantly though, it is the belief in the absent of belief which gives them that technicality of it being a faith.

Buddhism is silly IMO. It's ideologies are genuine and provide a good philosophy on how to approach life. However they are too general with their beliefs. The bottom line is that there is no real difference between the Buddhist, Christian, Jewish, or Islamic final word on how to live life, which is live true to yourself and others. Always do good, love thy neighbor as thyself. Which is all in all just general way of living, which we as human often forget.
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I am of no denomination. I do not go to church as the Lord is calling his Elect out. He is separating the wheat and the Tares now. After the elect are raptured he will Judge the church first as stated in 1 Peter Ch 4 v 17 then the non believers. In Mathew Ch 25 we read the parable of the Ten Virgins. In Ch 25 v 6 a call was made to GO OUT to MEET him. The virgins represent the church. The lamps represent the word as it is the light of the world. The oil represents the Holy spirit.In verse 9 the virgins with the Holy spirit told the Foolish to go to those that sell and buy. They are those with the mark of the beast as you cannot buy or sell without the mark of the beast. They are those that trusted in there church rather than the Holy Bible. Does the Lord need us to be in the open to be raptured? Absolutely not. He is calling his chosen out of the church. In verse 10 the the door is shut. In verse 11 the ones without the Holy spirit ask that the door be open. In verse 12 the Lord answered I know you not. In Mathew ch 24 v 15 the lord is saying Satan is standing at the Pulpit. The next verse he says they which be in Judea Flee to the Mountains. Judea represents the Church, Mountains represents his Kingdom, his Word. The next verse signifies he that has left the church don't take anything out of his House meaning return to the church. In Ch 24 verse 37 the Lord says his return will be as the days of Noe'. In Genesis Ch 7 verse 16 it states the Lord shut the door. in verse 21 of the same chapter it states all perished that did not enter the ark. It is the same for those in the church that were not raptured, the door being closed. Noahs family was chosen, the five virgins with oil were chosen. In Mathew ch 24 verse 22 The Lord states those days shall be shortened for his elect. in verse 31 he gathers his elect, the rapture. This is what the Lord has revealed to me. Do NOT TRUST what I say. Open the Holy Bible, Read the scriptures I've posted asking the Lord he grant you wisdom to understand. God is calling his Elect home. In Mathew ch 22 verse 14 it says many are called but few are chosen. In Mathew chapter 6 verse 24 the Lord states you cannot have 2 masters. To God be the Glory. GGBIW
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Old 03-07-2008, 11:12 PM   #136
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I am of no denomination. I do not go to church as the Lord is calling his Elect out. He is separating the wheat and the Tares now. After the elect are raptured he will Judge the church first as stated in 1 Peter Ch 4 v 17 then the non believers. In Mathew Ch 25 we read the parable of the Ten Virgins. In Ch 25 v 6 a call was made to GO OUT to MEET him. The virgins represent the church. The lamps represent the word as it is the light of the world. The oil represents the Holy spirit.In verse 9 the virgins with the Holy spirit told the Foolish to go to those that sell and buy. They are those with the mark of the beast as you cannot buy or sell without the mark of the beast. They are those that trusted in there church rather than the Holy Bible. Does the Lord need us to be in the open to be raptured? Absolutely not. He is calling his chosen out of the church. In verse 10 the the door is shut. In verse 11 the ones without the Holy spirit ask that the door be open. In verse 12 the Lord answered I know you not. In Mathew ch 24 v 15 the lord is saying Satan is standing at the Pulpit. The next verse he says they which be in Judea Flee to the Mountains. Judea represents the Church, Mountains represents his Kingdom, his Word. The next verse signifies he that has left the church don't take anything out of his House meaning return to the church. In Ch 24 verse 37 the Lord says his return will be as the days of Noe'. In Genesis Ch 7 verse 16 it states the Lord shut the door. in verse 21 of the same chapter it states all perished that did not enter the ark. It is the same for those in the church that were not raptured, the door being closed. Noahs family was chosen, the five virgins with oil were chosen. In Mathew ch 24 verse 22 The Lord states those days shall be shortened for his elect. in verse 31 he gathers his elect, the rapture. This is what the Lord has revealed to me. Do NOT TRUST what I say. Open the Holy Bible, Read the scriptures I've posted asking the Lord he grant you wisdom to understand. God is calling his Elect home. In Mathew ch 22 verse 14 it says many are called but few are chosen. In Mathew chapter 6 verse 24 the Lord states you cannot have 2 masters. To God be the Glory. GGBIW
I am not even going to try to get into all that except to say your interpretations of these verses are so out there, but allow me to comment on one thing:

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God is calling his Elect home. In Mathew ch 22 verse 14 it says many are called but few are chosen.
If you would read the entire parable, you would realize that God is not speaking of some "elect" he has chosen. The many called are those who hear and have heard the gospel, the few chosen are those who accept it.
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I am of no denomination. I do not go to church as the Lord is calling his Elect out. He is separating the wheat and the Tares now. After the elect are raptured he will Judge the church first as stated in 1 Peter Ch 4 v 17 then the non believers. In Mathew Ch 25 we read the parable of the Ten Virgins. In Ch 25 v 6 a call was made to GO OUT to MEET him. The virgins represent the church. The lamps represent the word as it is the light of the world. The oil represents the Holy spirit.In verse 9 the virgins with the Holy spirit told the Foolish to go to those that sell and buy. They are those with the mark of the beast as you cannot buy or sell without the mark of the beast. They are those that trusted in there church rather than the Holy Bible. Does the Lord need us to be in the open to be raptured? Absolutely not. He is calling his chosen out of the church. In verse 10 the the door is shut. In verse 11 the ones without the Holy spirit ask that the door be open. In verse 12 the Lord answered I know you not. In Mathew ch 24 v 15 the lord is saying Satan is standing at the Pulpit. The next verse he says they which be in Judea Flee to the Mountains. Judea represents the Church, Mountains represents his Kingdom, his Word. The next verse signifies he that has left the church don't take anything out of his House meaning return to the church. In Ch 24 verse 37 the Lord says his return will be as the days of Noe'. In Genesis Ch 7 verse 16 it states the Lord shut the door. in verse 21 of the same chapter it states all perished that did not enter the ark. It is the same for those in the church that were not raptured, the door being closed. Noahs family was chosen, the five virgins with oil were chosen. In Mathew ch 24 verse 22 The Lord states those days shall be shortened for his elect. in verse 31 he gathers his elect, the rapture. This is what the Lord has revealed to me. Do NOT TRUST what I say. Open the Holy Bible, Read the scriptures I've posted asking the Lord he grant you wisdom to understand. God is calling his Elect home. In Mathew ch 22 verse 14 it says many are called but few are chosen. In Mathew chapter 6 verse 24 the Lord states you cannot have 2 masters. To God be the Glory. GGBIW
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I post for those that the Lord is calling. You don't have to read them. It is God that saves his chosen. Nothing a man does gives him salvation. Nothing . No action a man does grants him salvation. It is God that changes the heart of men. It is the Lord that grants understanding to his scripture. I seek no man's approval, but seek to hear well done my good and faithful servant from my Lord when the rapture occurs. You all have the opportunity to read the Bible asking God to grant you understanding of his scripture. I have said more than once not to trust any man. That is why the lord is calling his elect out of the church as Satan is described as an Angel of light in 2 Corinthians ch 11. v 14-15. His demons are described as ministers. In Mathew ch 24 verse 24 it states if it were possible They shall shall deceive the very elect. Who are "They"? It is Satan and his Demons standing in the Holy place which is the pulpit where Jesus taught from in the Temple. The entire Bible is for all mankind and when he spoke to his elect then he is speaking to his elect now. Who was the Lord rejected of when he walked the earth. It was the chief priests and the then church. When you read the Holy Bible you are communing directly with the Lord with no man in between. I have repeatedly said to go to his Word. What I have posted I say the Lord has revealed to me. Do not trust what I say. Read the Bible. To God be the Glory. GGBIW
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I post for those that the Lord is calling. You don't have to read them. It is God that saves his chosen. Nothing a man does gives him salvation. Nothing . No action a man does grants him salvation. It is God that changes the heart of men. It is the Lord that grants understanding to his scripture. I seek no man's approval, but seek to hear well done my good and faithful servant from my Lord when the rapture occurs. You all have the opportunity to read the Bible asking God to grant you understanding of his scripture. I have said more than once not to trust any man. That is why the lord is calling his elect out of the church as Satan is described as an Angel of light in 2 Corinthians ch 11. v 14-15. His demons are described as ministers. In Mathew ch 24 verse 24 it states if it were possible They shall shall deceive the very elect. Who are "They"? It is Satan and his Demons standing in the Holy place which is the pulpit where Jesus taught from in the Temple. The entire Bible is for all mankind and when he spoke to his elect then he is speaking to his elect now. Who was the Lord rejected of when he walked the earth. It was the chief priests and the then church. When you read the Holy Bible you are communing directly with the Lord with no man in between. I have repeatedly said to go to his Word. What I have posted I say the Lord has revealed to me. Do not trust what I say. Read the Bible. To God be the Glory. GGBIW
But it is something a man does that grants him salvation. Without the desire for salvation, there will be none.
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But it is something a man does that grants him salvation. Without the desire for salvation, there will be none.
Who gives him that desire? We are all God's creation. In Romans chapter 4 through chapter 8 it speaks to this subject. The Bible I have has everything Jesus said while he walked the earth printed in red. All the bible is God's word but I enjoy reading what he said when he was on earth. In Luke ch 10 verses 20 -22 it says it is God who reveals himself. To God be the Glory. GGBIW
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