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Old 02-26-2008, 09:59 AM   #1
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in the right areas and under the right circumstances I can see that
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Sounds good to me. Let's start it here.
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So you'd sentence someone to death for trafficking marijuana? Coke? 2:
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Seems fair to me....it would help cut down on the transportation anyhow.
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Just like it cuts down on murders in the U.S. right? When is the last time someone stopped the process of killing someone because they figure they might get the death penalty?

I'm glad they didn't give the death penalty to moonshiners in the prohibition days. Some of us wouldn't be here.
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See, there would have to be the actual use of the death penalty for it to have any affect. If we were to start implementing a fast lane for obvious offenders....like, your car has 50 pounds of whatever in it, you die, here, now, bang.

However, since we don't use the death penalty, and everyone runs around trying to prevent anyone from dying of unnatural causes while in prison, the thread of it is greatly diminished. That is one thing we could definitely learn from our mid east "friends"....how to actually apply punishment when it is dealt.
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See, there would have to be the actual use of the death penalty for it to have any affect. If we were to start implementing a fast lane for obvious offenders....like, your car has 50 pounds of whatever in it, you die, here, now, bang.

However, since we don't use the death penalty, and everyone runs around trying to prevent anyone from dying of unnatural causes while in prison, the thread of it is greatly diminished. That is one thing we could definitely learn from our mid east "friends"....how to actually apply punishment when it is dealt.
The last thing this country needs to do is start killing people on the spot for non violent offenses. Especially when one of the drugs is less harmful than a legal one in the United States right now.
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So you'd sentence someone to death for trafficking marijuana? Coke? 2:
Wouldn't bother me, I know me and the ones closest to me would be safe. If it would effect you maybe that's something you need to work on yourself.
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The last thing this country needs to do is start killing people on the spot for non violent offenses. Especially when one of the drugs is less harmful than a legal one in the United States right now.
It's not your call about which is legal or not. But, if we're gonna have the laws in place, let's at least do more than a slap on the wrist.
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Wouldn't bother me, I know me and the ones closest to me would be safe. If it would effect you maybe that's something you need to work on yourself.
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If it would effect you maybe that's something you need to work on yourself.
I don't sell drugs. I do have some sort of decency to me though where I don't want to see people die over drugs.

It wouldn't affect me, I'm just not ready to give the government permission to start killing people for non violent crimes.
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It's not your call about which is legal or not. But, if we're gonna have the laws in place, let's at least do more than a slap on the wrist.
It's our call as a society. What you're saying is that as long as it's a law we should throw the book at them and kill 'em if it calls for it, no matter if the law makes sense or not?
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Why, so I can be with Jesus? I don't sell drugs. I do have some sort of decency to me though where I don't want to see people die over drugs.

It wouldn't affect me, I'm just not ready to give the government permission to start killing people for non violent crimes.
They've all but stopped killing people for violent crimes. How many states do you think will have the death penalty in another 25 years. Not many.

If the punishment isn't something that a person committing the crime doesn't want, then what's the point.

I still thing there should be retributions written into the law for victims. I mean, someone steals your car tonight, wrecks it, and gets arrested. Do you ever get a penny out of that person for your vehicle once they are convicted? Nope, that comes out of your own pocket...like that's fair.
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The last thing this country needs to do is start killing people on the spot for non violent offenses. Especially when one of the drugs is less harmful than a legal one in the United States right now.
I agree...we need to continue down our current track and keep catering to the incarcerated and make sure they keep getting treated fair and with the respect they deserve.


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Step 1: Re-evaluate what is and is not illegal
Step 2: Clearly define what is illegal
Step 3: Clearly define the punishments for the illegal activities
Step 4: Enforce those laws and apply the defined punishments upon conviction.
Step 5: Make punishments actual punishments...not vacation with all life's liberties without any of the associated fees.


If people want to legalize drugs...go for it. If you legalize one, legalize them all...at least that way hopefully we can cleanse the gene pool of those that are going to nuts with them....and we can collect taxes on the sales...after all, that is what this country is all about.
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It's our call as a society. What you're saying is that as long as it's a law we should throw the book at them and kill 'em if it calls for it, no matter if the law makes sense or not?
Apparently the laws made sense when they were made or else they wouldn't have been put on the books.

I'm not saying go kill everyone who breaks the law, but cmon, we should have learned by now the slap on the wrist doesn't work anymore.
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I agree...we need to continue down our current track and keep catering to the incarcerated and make sure they keep getting treated fair and with the respect they deserve.
First we need to look at why we are throwing people in federal prison for drug addictions.

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If people want to legalize drugs...go for it. If you legalize one, legalize them all...at least that way hopefully we can cleanse the gene pool of those that are going to nuts with them....and we can collect taxes on the sales...after all, that is what this country is all about.
I say we legalize them all. If you want to stop the trafficking of drugs it's the more logical thing to do then to start killing everyone you see with x amount of drugs in their possession.
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Apparently the laws made sense when they were made or else they wouldn't have been put on the books.

I'm not saying go kill everyone who breaks the law, but cmon, we should have learned by now the slap on the wrist doesn't work anymore.
Yes because segregation made perfect sense when they were put on the books. That's just one of the wonderful laws that our society has put on the books that has ruined lives and been over turned in the future.
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They've all but stopped killing people for violent crimes. How many states do you think will have the death penalty in another 25 years. Not many.
If killing people for killing people actually worked and worked well there would be tons more support for the death penalty. It's not because it takes x years to kill someone. It wouldn't make a difference if you killed them on the spot. It doesn't deter capital punishment crimes either way.
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First we need to look at why we are throwing people in federal prison for drug addictions.



I say we legalize them all. If you want to stop the trafficking of drugs it's the more logical thing to do then to start killing everyone you see with x amount of drugs in their possession.
Are you going to pay for the medical attention these people are going to need when they end up in the hospital? There's more involved in this than just legalizing a drug.
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If killing people for killing people actually worked and worked well there would be tons more support for the death penalty. It's not because it takes x years to kill someone. It wouldn't make a difference if you killed them on the spot. It doesn't deter capital punishment crimes either way.
Public executions would probably help.
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Public executions would probably help.
That's the point...if you actually use it...and not draw it out for 20 years before someone gets wacked...it would work. Right now it is more of a "I am on death row, I have about 15-25 more years to appeal, then I might die...if I live that long in prison".

Conviction -> walk out back -> die would do more to deter crime as it would be rapid fire. Yes, an innocent person here or there might get caught in the mix, but for the greater good.
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Are you going to pay for the medical attention these people are going to need when they end up in the hospital? There's more involved in this than just legalizing a drug.
Yes. I'd rather pay for that than pay for 1) Imprisonment with no chance of changing and when they do get out they'll more than likely end right back up in there again 2) Death

You act like putting people in prison or killing them is free.
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Yes. I'd rather pay for that than pay for 1) Imprisonment with no chance of changing 2) Death

You act like putting people in prison or killing them is free.
In a proper world...death would only cost a few cents for a bullet.

In the current world, 20 years of life plus 20 years of appeals adds up to a ton more than it is worth in the end.
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Public executions would probably help.
We did that once. Didn't seem to work then either.
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There are only a few crimes that are worthy of the death penalty. None of them are non-violent.
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In a proper world...death would only cost a few cents for a bullet.

In the current world, 20 years of life plus 20 years of appeals adds up to a ton more than it is worth in the end.
Last time I checked this wasn't the perfect world and we still have to approach problems in this world with the hands that are dealt. In the perfect world we wouldn't have drug problems and everyone was just dandy.

So instead of dreaming up the answer to the problem in a perfect world we need to start looking at the answer in the current world. The problem exists, it's not going to go away. People can become a solution to the problem or they can ignore it and pretend they understand it.

I know some people on here are probably getting sick of hearing me talk about these things but I think a country that spends $400 billion dollars more than it takes in every year has some serious issues that people need to get serious about.

The war on drugs has been an epic failure since it started in the Reagan years. Drugs are just as easy to get today as they were in the 70's. It's a waste of our tax payer dollars going on this never ending crusade against these dealers when the answer is so simple. We already have one instance in our countries history where we tried prohibition and it failed miserably. Now the last dry counties in America are putting alcohol sales on the ballot for voters because of the money it generates.
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Damn !!!!!!! Actually I'm all for tough drug laws when it come to coke,meth and heroin and for the doctors handing out pills like they were candy. But to ruin some kids life for smoking a joint or having less the a ounce of weeds it excessive the sentancing for the low level stuff needs to be put back in the judges hands So they can stop filling the prision system with people doing 85% of a sentance for smoking weed or carrying a small amount
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Last time I checked this wasn't the perfect world and we still have to approach problems in this world with the hands that are dealt. In the perfect world we wouldn't have drug problems and everyone was just dandy.

So instead of dreaming up the answer to the problem in a perfect world we need to start looking at the answer in the current world. The problem exists, it's not going to go away. People can become a solution to the problem or they can ignore it and pretend they understand it.

I know some people on here are probably getting sick of hearing me talk about these things but I think a country that spends $400 billion dollars more than it takes in every year has some serious issues that people need to get serious about.

The war on drugs has been an epic failure since it started in the Reagan years. Drugs are just as easy to get today as they were in the 70's. It's a waste of our tax payer dollars going on this never ending crusade against these dealers when the answer is so simple. We already have one instance in our countries history where we tried prohibition and it failed miserably. Now the last dry counties in America are putting alcohol sales on the ballot for voters because of the money it generates.
Do you really think a change in leadership will lead to a reduction in the government's spending? There is no way. The spending if this country will only get greater in the future, leading to more debt until we ultimately get to the point we are owned by other countries. The UN will end up with ultimate control of the US, maybe not in my lifetime, but it's coming.

I guess next we'll hear suggestions about how the proposed world-wide laws trying to be passed by the UN will be for the greater good. No more country sovereignty, it will be based on a worldwide scale.
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Damn !!!!!!! Actually I'm all for tough drug laws when it come to coke,meth and heroin and for the doctors handing out pills like they were candy. But to ruin some kids life for smoking a joint or having less the a ounce of weeds it excessive the sentancing for the low level stuff needs to be put back in the judges hands So they can stop filling the prision system with people doing 85% of a sentance for smoking weed or carrying a small amount

I agree with you, the doc has my wife on about 8 different scripts including morphine and vicodin
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