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Old 03-28-2010, 06:15 AM   #1
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Are most scientist politically correct when it comes to black people?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle2677098.ece


In the link above, a scientist says that he believes whites are genetically superior in terms of intelligence. than blacks.


Is this how most scientists feel? Are they keeping the truth from the masses, because they don't want to cause in up roar?

Even if it is true, I'm sure it can't be a big difference. Like a regular Ford Mustang(6 cylinder engine) and Ford Mustang GT(8 cylinder engine).

Please, if you agree with this scientist, just say so and give an explanation.
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Old 03-28-2010, 07:11 AM   #2
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Are most scientist politically correct when it comes to black people?

There is absolutely no proof to support that a particular race has a superior or inferior intellect. There are several factors to understand before such a claim can even be made .

Nearly all people on this planet from every single race including Asian, Black, Native American, White, etc. have a COMMON female ancestor from about 170,000 years ago referred to as MITOCHONDRIAL EVE, which is shown through a series of DNA mutation tests. So to a racist this fact may not be very popular but, your GREAT GRANDMOTHER (roughly 8000 "GREATs" or generations ago) was BLACK.

The evidence for MITOCHONDRIAL EVE (sometimes referred to as "Genetic Eve") is very strong, which is further supported by the "Out of Africa Theory" where the spread of modern humans occurred about 60,000 years ago from one origin in what is today a region of Ethiopia.

Another COMMON ancestor Y-CHROMOSOMAL ADAM, who was also BLACK is believed to have lived about 60,000-90,000 years ago, which can be tested through molecular clocks and genetic markers.

Furthermore, about 70,000 years ago, there was a "Population Bottleneck" of homo sapiens from volcanism. The Toba Supervolcano Theory is thought to have brought the population down to just 15,000 humans.

So we all have black ancestry at some point in our lineage and humans are one the most non-diversified species of large animals in the world. A chimpanzee will have greater genetic variation in its own group than any two people in the world comparatively and in large part such homogeneity was caused by the "Population Bottleneck." In such a genetically similar gene pool, there is little variation among races let alone individuals.

So to talk about "intellect" in terms of raw mentally capacity, all healthy functioning humans are very similar and would have had tremondously short time to change in evolutionary terms. When referring to "smart" as in being educated, socioeconomic play a very big role. There is no secret that wealthier parents tend to have offspring more educated than impoverished parents. When a group or class of people have been oppressed in a society and have had only two generations of laws that are equitable, logic dictates in general that group or class of people will have to struggle more often from a tough environment.

Thus, links between intelligence and race have no factual basis.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:06 AM   #3
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Are most scientist politically correct when it comes to black people?

I think quite the opposite, actually. Whites, unlike most other races, were subjected to a very unnatural selection process in the middle ages. Every white male who showed any intelligence was taken to become a member of the clergy and took a vow of celibacy. If anything, Jews would be the smartest because any male who showed intelligence was made to become a priest and encouraged to have many more children than the average Jewish family.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:42 AM   #4
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I don't agree with the statement. There is no genetic evidence supporting his statement. Remember, scientists are people with their own set of biases. When a scientist is giving his opinion, it should carry no more weight than the opinion of any other person. Major contributions to knowledge can be made by people of all races!
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:45 AM   #5
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Are most scientist politically correct when it comes to black people?

Well white people had to deal with a very harsh ice age as well as a cold northern climate climate for several millenia. Therefor due to Darwinian natural selection only the most intelligent ones who were capable of designing their own shelter, storing food, and thinking ahead could survive. However even though thousands of years may seem like a long time it is nothing in evolutionary history. I think lack of urban school funding may provide a better argument.

I think no less of black people but this is still an interesting topic that deserves some attention
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:53 AM   #6
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Are most scientist politically correct when it comes to black people?

Here's what he said:

“there is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so”

Yup, I agree with that.
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Old 03-28-2010, 08:58 AM   #7
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thats totally idiotic! everyone knows japanese and indian people are the smartest! just look at doctors, scientists and nobel prize winners. i think black people are just as intelligent but because of their situation and poverty in africa they can't get proper educations and realize their full potential.
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Old 03-28-2010, 09:54 AM   #8
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Are most scientist politically correct when it comes to black people?

No. If anything, science has shown that there is no appreciable difference between different races... and that even "race" is very poorly defined in biological terms. The genetic differences (and really, every trait aside from appearance) between two europeans, for example, are often greater than the differences between a european and an african.

In the end, it's important not to categorize scientists based on their profession. Science is a way of logically thinking and looking at the world, but beneath that, scientists are still people, with the same range of personal beliefs as the rest of the population.

The article that you link is from James Watson. He's one of the people that discovered the structure of DNA, which brought him a good amount of fame. This comment isn't the first prejudiced one, though - he's well known for being both racist and sexist. This case is particularly offensive, though, since he's twisted and perverted scientific knowledge to suit his own preconceptions.

His views do *not* represent those of scientists in general, and his comments have ensured that almost no scientist will take him seriously or associate themselves with him.
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Old 03-28-2010, 10:17 AM   #9
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Are most scientist politically correct when it comes to black people?

Usually scientists don't talk about race or intelligence with such politically charged words. We still discuss these issues but instead of saying "race" we say "geographic ancestry".

The field of psychology has shown that intelligence can be mostly explained by which genes a person is born with, but other envionrmental factors can heavily influence if a person actually reaches this level of intelligence or not. For instance if 2 identical twins (same genes) are split apart at birth with one growing up in a poor neighboorhood and one growing up in a rich neighborhood, the one in the rich neighborhood will score much higher on intelligence.

Some studies indicate that you can't do much to increase your intelligence beyond that determined by your DNA, but it is easy to let environmental influences make you less intelligent than you should have been.

Scientists all accept the theory of evolution as the explanation for the origin of different species and the variation that we observe in nature. Even though it is a touchy topic, every biological/biochemical scientist knows that the brain is also under the same evolutionarily selective pressure that influences the evolution of the rest of our bodies. Therefore, since intelligence is determined by brain function, it follows that there is natural variation and selection of intelligence. Since humans have only evolved into our current form within the last 50,000 years (a very short time in evolutionary terms) perhaps there has not been enough time to create large differences in intelligence between sub populations of humans. However, "race" is a biological fact although scientists have abandoned this term. Different "races" possess different frequencies of gene alleles. Some of these genes determine brain function and therefore intelligence.
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