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Old 06-13-2008, 10:52 AM   #1
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E10 issues...

Well, I haven't been confronted with this till last night. Apparently the local station I use has converted to a 10% ethanol blend and the people working the counter had no clue what I was talking about.

This is the station I require my fleet of trucks here at work to fuel at, and to be honest I'm going to meet with the manager to let him know we will be carrying our business elsewhere because of the decrease in fuel efficiency and the increase in wear and tear on the engines.

If you're lost and have no clue what I'm talking about check out this site:

E10 Gas - Lower Efficiency, Rises Gas Costs Even Further.

Just wondering what everyone else thinks of the situation...

I refuse to run it in the 03 because of octane fears (the octane points can be lowered by as much as 3 points if the fuel is left sitting for over 2 weeks) and refuse to run it in the 90 because of the increased wear and tear on an 18 year old engine.
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****ty. i wouldnt touch that **** with a 10 foot pole, especially on the Cobra.
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Re: E10 issues...

Exactly...I think by threatening to take my business elsewhere for work might make a difference in his mind. They are consistantly the 2nd or 3rd lowest anywhere around on gas prices. Since switching to the 10% blend (since wednesday I might add) the gas price actually went up more than normal.

Bunch of BS if you ask me. Taking my 25k a month gas bill elsewhere I guess.
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Re: E10 issues...

we were running E10 for a while in PA....probably around a year or so now....i guess its just starting to move across the country....i thought everyone had to switch to it because the EPA found one of the chemicals they were using in gas was harmful to the environment?
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we were running E10 for a while in PA....probably around a year or so now....i guess its just starting to move across the country....i thought everyone had to switch to it because the EPA found one of the chemicals they were using in gas was harmful to the environment?
What isn't harmful to the environment??? Why am I going to pay the same price for gas that is going to give me less power and less mileage?
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Re: E10 issues...

Yeah, that junk kills my already bad mpg. I avoid it like the plague.
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Re: E10 issues...

i totally agree with you guys.....i think im gettin better milage now that i moved to cali....maybe this is part of the reason.....it helps that im not driving up and down hills and mountains everyday too, haha...good old PA
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Re: E10 issues...

Anybody know of a site, Google map, etc. that lists gas stations that do not use E10?
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Re: E10 issues...

Hm..I'm sure someone has one somewhere...I'd be interested as well. Not gonna run it in the 03 and scared to run it in the 90 because of it's capability to eat seals.
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today when i filled up i looked to see if it was E10....there was a sign that said this gasoline may have up to 10% Ethanol.....that leaves you on the fence to how much is added to the gas, it sucks!
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today when i filled up i looked to see if it was E10....there was a sign that said this gasoline may have up to 10% Ethanol.....that leaves you on the fence to how much is added to the gas, it sucks!
I usually read that as "Hey, you should go to the next gas station".
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Re: E10 issues...

^ exactly.
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Re: E10 issues...

I run E10 in both explorer and the mustang. I have been getting 23mpg in the mustang.. I dont mind it. It is at every gas station here. but my GF works for a newspaper in OK and they are testing stations to see how much they really put in the gas... so far its been as much as 67%....
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I run E10 in both explorer and the mustang. I have been getting 23mpg in the mustang.. I dont mind it. It is at every gas station here. but my GF works for a newspaper in OK and they are testing stations to see how much they really put in the gas... so far its been as much as 67%....
Did you know any mix of ethanol over 10% in a non flex fuel vehicle automatically voids the warranty. I want to see the first gas station get sued for this...
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Re: E10 issues...

yeah i know thats why they are testing the stations to see what they are putting in the car. but around here (indy) all of the stations have 10% put into the gas. our gas price right now is $4.05-$4.19 for 87 OCT.....
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Re: E10 issues...

E10 definitely doesn't help gas mileage much... In most cases ethanol is used as an octane booster in crappier fuel (IE to bring like 85 octane up to 87, etc)

And yeah, my MPG on the highway in the buick drops by about 2 with e10, so it makes a large cost difference.. esp as corn is getting to be more expensive, ethanol is no longer a huge amount cheaper than gasoline

On the other hand :: Most manufacturers approve of e10 and it won't anything on newer cars
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Re: E10 issues...

I buy gas for the DD car at sams and im sure they use E10... for my car not sure where to go as some places dont easily know and if you ask they have NO idea wtf you are talking about.
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I wont use it put it in a bike (GSXR750) once ran like crap. wont ever put it in anything again
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Re: E10 issues...

I plan on having a total **** tune for the car when we drive to NY just in case we run into this kind of garbage.
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Well you might not actually know if you are using E10 fuel, more than half thegasoline sold is E10 and one report suggest that half of the stations dont make you aware and most stations dont even know themselves. As of spring of 2006, due to the phasing out of MTBE as a gasoline additive, E10 use has increased throughout the United States. No I dont willing put it in my stang but the real problems with it is cars and boats that dont get used often. Alcohol absorbs water so boat engine manufactures suggest not using it. Older cars with fiberglass fuel tanks should not use it, but there will be no buildup of varnish or gummy deposits in the fuel system. Mileage is a somewhat issue. If you are getting 27 mpg with reg gas with E10 you will drop to 26.2 mpg but the emission will actuall be a little better.

So if in a pinch you use it, no big deal, but in the long run just try to avoid it. Those sstates that dont give you a choice MOVE!!
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Re: E10 issues...

^^ That's why I'll run the **** gas tune all the way up there and back....

Here in LA, we don't have that E10 stuff yet....key word, yet.
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^^ That's why I'll run the **** gas tune all the way up there and back....

Here in LA, we don't have that E10 stuff yet....key word, yet.
There are no ECHOL stations or Murphy's in LA?? If you do, you do have E10 gasoline there
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There are no ECHOL stations or Murphy's in LA?? If you do, you do have E10 gasoline there
ECHOL, no, I think murphy's might be walmart stations here....but any self respecting performance enthusiast would not buy gas from walmart.

THe big three here, Chevron, Shell, and Exxon, do not have E10...

There was some talk a year or two ago for all stations to switch over to E10...however that was shot down. So maybe a couple did anyhow...however the main players did not and have not.

Now, there is 1 new E85 station...and if this E10 junk starts, I'll just make some fuel upgrades and switch to E85 and gain the benefits of the higher octane and deal with the 30% loss in mileage.
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It depends on the state but here in MS they are required by law to post on each pump whether it contains ethanol and at what percentage. I'm toying with the idea of buying a test kit just to see how many stations I can bust...
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Re: E10 issues...

i noticed this just this past weekend while filling up at a sheetz. i was just daydreaming at the pump when the 10% ethanol caught my eye. i didnt know much about it - in fact, it was advertised as being healthy for your car's engine.
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It depends on the state but here in MS they are required by law to post on each pump whether it contains ethanol and at what percentage. I'm toying with the idea of buying a test kit just to see how many stations I can bust...
Really and MS has vast of wealth of money and has more regulators than any other state to actually check and test the gas NO!! Dude MS is one of the least regulated states in terms of Gov workers, so who is going to check the gas? Next time look at the sticker on a pump and look at the date and the name or stamp on the sticker. Then call and ask. The test is expensive the test is time consuming. Dont think for a minute every station is checked that makes me want to get out the rubber hose on you!
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Really and MS is a vast of wealth of mony and has more regulators than any other state to actually check and test the gas NO!! Dude MS is one of the least regulated states in terms of Gov workers, so who is going to check the gas? Next time look at the sticker on a pump and look at the date and the name or stamp on the sticker. Then call and ask. The test is expensive the test is time consuming. Dont think for a minute every station is checked that makes me want to get out the rubber hose on you!
I know they aren't checked and regulated, that's why I've tried to stick to this one station (I'm fairly good friends with the manager and he lets me know the delivery schedule so I know when to fill up). I bring this guy over 15k in income a month...
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I know they aren't checked and regulated, that's why I've tried to stick to this one station (I'm fairly good friends with the manager and he lets me know the delivery schedule so I know when to fill up). I bring this guy over 15k in income a month...
Well that is a way better info than any Gov sticker on a damn pump BY GOD!
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i'd love to buy some non E10 gas in north alabama or north mississippi. ever since the **** was added i've got worse mpg
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Everyone here has got the crap think I got a bad batch in my F250 the otherday ran like total crap after adding fuel.....
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Re: E10 issues...

I guess I am the only one with no issues with E10. Shell, Speedway, Murphys (walmart), Meijer (huge on E85), Bp all use E10.

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E10, sometimes called gasohol, is a fuel mixture of 10% ethanol and 90% gasoline that can be used in the internal combustion engines of most modern automobiles. According to the Philippine Department of Energy, the use of not more than a 10% ethanol-gasoline mixture is not harmful to cars' fuel systems.[1] On October 27, 2006, though, the Federal Aviation Administration published their Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin - Automobile gasoline containing alcohol (Ethanol or Methanol) is not allowed to be used in aircraft.
It has been introduced nationwide in Thailand, and has replaced high octane pure gasoline in that country in 2007. It is also commonly available in the Midwestern United States. It is the only type of gasoline (besides aviation grade fuels) allowed to be sold in the states of Connecticut and Minnesota, along with E85.[dubious – discuss] About half of the gasoline used in the U.S. contains ethanol. [2] As of spring of 2006, due to the phasing out of MTBE as a gasoline additive, E10 use has increased throughout the United States. [3]
Similar blends include E5 and E7. These concentrations are generally safe for recent engines that run on pure gasoline. Some regions and municipalities mandate that the locally-sold fuels contain limited amounts of ethanol. One way to measure alternative fuels in the US is the "gasoline-equivalent gallons" (GEG). In 2002, the U.S. used as fuel an amount of ethanol equal to 137 petajoules (PJ), the energy of 1.13 billion US gallons (4.28 GL) of gasoline. This was less than 1% of the total fuel used that year.[2]
The Tesco chain of supermarkets in the UK have started selling an E5 brand of gasoline marketed as 99 RON super-unleaded. Price-wise it is cheaper than the other two forms of high-octane unleaded on the market, Shell's V-Power (99 RON) and BP's Ultimate (97 RON).
Many petrol stations throughout Australia are now also selling E10, typically at a few cents cheaper per litre than regular unleaded. It is more commonly found throughout the state of Queensland due to its large sugar cane farming regions. The use of E10 is also subsidised by the Queensland government. Some Shell service stations are also selling a 100 RON E5 blend called V-Power Racing (as opposed to the normal ethanol-free 98 RON V-Power). This is typically a fair bit more expensive, approximately 17 cents dearer than regular unleaded.
In Sweden, all 95-octane gasoline is in fact E5, while the status of the 98-octane fuel is unclear for the moment. The product data sheets of the major fuel chains do not clearly state anything related to ethanol contents of the 98-octane gasoline. In the early-mid nineties some fuel chains marketed E10. The EU mandates that until 2010 E10 has to be reintroduced for 95 RON fuel.
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