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Old 08-27-2015, 10:03 PM   #36
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I've had ZERO issues with my ASRock 990FX mobo. I did have a metric assload of issues with the Gigabyte mobo it replace tho...

Yeah I might be interested in that processor if you think it would really help. I'm running very stable at 3.6ghz x6 right now on the Thuban tho and I have had it up to 4.0ghz before long enough to run some benchmarks but could not get it stable under a torture test. Probably because my overclock-fu is lacking. Damn locked multiplier lol.
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Finally got my build list together.

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That sounds a lot like mine. Budget but not super budget. Although your i5 is going to benchmark way higher than my AMD.

I'm not sure how well that specific i5 overlocks but you probably have some room left if you need to crank it up. I'm still stuck at 3.6 x6 but I may try to crank the vcore like Ish suggested and pump it to 4.0
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I haven't ever messed with overclocking, I'm pretty noobish still in the custom PC field.
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Most motherboards have an auto OC feature. Just get into your setup usually by hitting Del or F2 during boot but your post screen should tell you what to push. Then just bang around in the UEFI BIOS and see what's what. If you built your own comp you should know how to do that.

I just googled a little on your CPU and you have the 4670k which apparently is the only one that is overclockable or at least, easy to overclock.

Seems that your i5 will go to the middle 4ghz range easy and the better chips can hit the 4.6 to 4.7ghz range.

3 Step Guide to Overclock Your i7 / i5 Haswell Platform - Overclockers


My suggestion (and what I do) is to run at the stock speed or slightly overclocked until you start running into issues running things at the settings you want and the CPU is the issue. Then bring up the clock speed. Or just do it now lol. You will want to make sure you have a really good CPU cooler vs what came in the box with the processor tho.

Honestly your i5 at 3.4ghz is probably going to be doing better than my old Thuban at 3.6ghz and I don't have any issues with CPU bottlenecking unless I am trying to run a VERY graphically intense game or a Skyrim ENB or something.
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I also tried a lot of things to get my Thuban to a stable 4.0ghz. I probably could get it close if I kept messing with it and messing with it but not going to stress about 300 or 400mhz at this point. Like I said I do not have ANY issues running anything right now and it's not worth breaking something when this system is hauling *** for the first time in a long time since the re-format. I may have had a borked Win 8 install or some other cray that Win10 fixed or just the re-format fixed.
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Thanks for the tips. Yeah, I've played Dragonball Xenoverse, SWTOR, Civ: Beyond Earth, and Bioshock at almost max settings with no problems.

I have seen the menu about over clocking in my mobo, just never messed with it.


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If you have no need to overclock it then I'd wait till you do. I'd also go get a bigass cooler for your CPU if you haven't already.
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Ah, I didn't see that you have liquid cooling right? Yeah that'll be fine lol. I'm not totally on board with the liquid yet especially when in a pretty crappy case as far as cooling, it does a good job keeping my Thuban at a good temp.

Will be getting one of these cases before I put a better PSU and CPU into the PC tho.

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I'm also going to do a little research on their power supplies too, apparently they are good and a 1000w is $99 but I've only ever trusted Corsair on my builds soooo........

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And then my wife will get my Zalman cooler and I'll probably stick with a gigantic air cooler and get the better processor.
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Did a little upgrading today because Newegg sale on a case I have been eyeing plus 10% off extra plus free shipping=BUY! Currently I have a pretty basic case that has served me well till now but its not enough ventilation TBTH. Only 3 fans and flow is not optimal.

Ordered this guy to cool everything down

Rosewill CHALLENGER-U3 Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Computer Case ,comes with Three Fans-1x Front Blue LED 120mm Fan, 1x Top 140mm Fan, 1x Rear 120mm Fan, front mounted dual USB 3.0 - Newegg.com

And this guy to keep the CPU cool enough to get a decent overclock

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 EVO RR-212E-20PK-R2 Continuous Direct Contact 120mm Sleeve CPU Cooler Compatible with latest Intel 2011/1366/1155 and AMD FM1/FM2/AM3+ - Newegg.com

Some extra fan action to make that 5 big fans total.

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My current benchmarks on my maxed out 6 core are 9500 in 3DMark11 and 1300 in Novabench but I've also got something new to test out so we'll see what she does after everything is installed and good to go.
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So all that stuff is now a multimedia/gaming computer for the living room. Netflix, SC2, PoA, LoL etc... Nothing that requires a ton of graphical power. Has my old video card in it now and my ASRock mobo, my 6 core CPU and a spare 500w Corsair PSU, will be getting my crossfired HD7850s when I grab whatever this year's "omfg special" is this Cyber Monday and replace them. Waiting in Newegg to deliver the rest of my stuff for my gaming computer.

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Jonesing for the rest of the stuff to get here...

Will be looking for the best Nvidia card available in the $100-$150 price range this CM. Going Nvidia for the first time since... like the late 90s lol. They use way way less power than AMD and the drivers are better. I also will not have to upgrade my PSU going with Nvidia because of this. Either two at that price in a SLI or one for under $300 that will do as well on its own which is my preference.
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I give you props scotty. I went to best buy to see the pre built gaming desktop and was confused af. I figured a pc would be better than a ps4 cause of all the modding but its confusing

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Anything Nvidia has to offer in the $100 - $150 price point is barely any better than what you currently have. Like less than a 20% gain, card for card.

The GTX 950 and 960 are both overpriced and under performing when a 7870/R9 270 /R9 370 (all the same card) competes with them in the $150 - $170 range.

For $220 - $240 you can pick up a new R9 290 that is generally equal or better, than GTX 970 under DX9/10/11 titles and can actually get close enough to a $640 GTX 980Ti in DX12 benchmarks to kick it square in the nuts. Seriously, as in just a few FPS difference.

Nvidia's only advantage is power efficiency. Their drivers have sucked for a good while now and AMD has finally got their stuff together on the driver front.

Also, never go for two low end cards, if you can afford a faster one. A single card will always give you a better experience.

For under $300 - $350, AMD R9 290x simply cannot be beat for performance per dollar.

The GTX 970 is generally fairly close and is more power efficient but has major issues when using more than 3.5 GB of it's 4GB of ram. Actually, Nvidia is facing a class action law suit from GTX 970 owners -

Nvidia slapped with class-action lawsuit over GTX 970 memory issues [UPDATED] | ExtremeTech

On the Nvidia side for something better than a 290X, you are looking at GTX 980, which starts at $490.

Also, there is DX12 and Vulkan on the horizon and the 290X has proven to be significantly faster than the GTX 980 in tests using those APIs.


If it were me, I would hold up until the next generation of GPU's. Both sides will benefit from a die shrink and both will also have new architectures including HBM 2.0.

If you can't wait, I'd seriously pick up something like a cheap used 280X.
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Hey bud, what GPU would you recommend I upgrade to (if I even should)? I currently have a GeForce GTX 660 Ti.


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That completely depends on the games you play and the monitor/settings you play at.

If you play MMO's or free to play games, you're probably good.

If you play FPS/Sim games, it depends on your budget.

Your card is on a similar level to the GTX 960 - AMD 7870/R9 270x/R9 370. So, I would say in order to see a noticeable jump in performance, you would have to go to GTX 970 - AMD R9 290X level or better.

So basically, you are looking at $300+ for a new card with a noticeable performance jump.

If you have any intentions to jump to a 4k monitor, you are going to spend at least $650 on a card(s) that can push it.
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It can be confusing, I know my first build it took me forever. I would NEVER EVER buy a computer from Best Buy tho except for a basic laptop that was a really good deal or something. And anyone with an Alienware=overpaid by double or triple over a home built.

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Anything Nvidia has to offer in the $100 - $150 price point is barely any better than what you currently have. Like less than a 20% gain, card for card.

The GTX 950 and 960 are both overpriced and under performing when a 7870/R9 270 /R9 370 (all the same card) competes with them in the $150 - $170 range.

For $220 - $240 you can pick up a new R9 290 that is generally equal or better, than GTX 970 under DX9/10/11 titles and can actually get close enough to a $640 GTX 980Ti in DX12 benchmarks to kick it square in the nuts. Seriously, as in just a few FPS difference.

Nvidia's only advantage is power efficiency. Their drivers have sucked for a good while now and AMD has finally got their stuff together on the driver front.

Also, never go for two low end cards, if you can afford a faster one. A single card will always give you a better experience.

For under $300 - $350, AMD R9 290x simply cannot be beat for performance per dollar.

The GTX 970 is generally fairly close and is more power efficient but has major issues when using more than 3.5 GB of it's 4GB of ram. Actually, Nvidia is facing a class action law suit from GTX 970 owners -

Nvidia slapped with class-action lawsuit over GTX 970 memory issues [UPDATED] | ExtremeTech

On the Nvidia side for something better than a 290X, you are looking at GTX 980, which starts at $490.

Also, there is DX12 and Vulkan on the horizon and the 290X has proven to be significantly faster than the GTX 980 in tests using those APIs.


If it were me, I would hold up until the next generation of GPU's. Both sides will benefit from a die shrink and both will also have new architectures including HBM 2.0.

If you can't wait, I'd seriously pick up something like a cheap used 280X.
Hmmm, I might wait for CM and see what the R9s are going for. I could probably still power a single R9 with my TX650 but if not I suppose a Sentey 1000w modular PSU is not very expensive, $100 on Amazon.

Would a single R9 290X be noticeably better than my crossfired HD7850s? I'm sure two of them would be... but I'm not sure just how low Newegg is going to go this year. I know last year the R9 270 was $100 per card...

And I'm assuming you mean the 290X can get to the speeds of the $600 via overclocking correct? See that is one thing I never super messed with and I probably should because I bet I could squeeze some more out of my 7850s. Especially if I heatsink the crap out of them now that they have two 140mm fans blowing directly on them in the new build.

Or just do what you said and wait for next year? I don't really have any issues running anything right now and I'm not even overclocked on the GPUs.

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Looks like he's saying the R9 290X unless you have serious coin to drop. Definitely wait for Cyber Monday though, like there are serious SERIOUS deals then.
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Yeah. I mainly play civ and MMO's on my PC. So I'll stay put until deal day.


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Lol you have zero reason to upgrade your card then. Hell my old HD4850 I'm using in the media PC I just built will run Civ5 no issue at all. Only thing I'm running into with the 4850 is Win10 support.
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Btw, Ish did tell me that Cooler Master coolers were getting pulled from the market. I am very happy my Nepton 140mm push/pull water cooler is currently in the mail. I wonder if that is why so many of the CM water coolers are on sale...

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It lags once in a great while when playing an MMO, but that's it.


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Might not be the video card depending on the rest of your rig.
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You mean 8 gigs of ram or 8 core CPU? What speed, what ram speed and how much of it? What chipset on your mobo, how is your cooling setup/case etc...


It sounds complicated but its not bad, I'm having to learn/re-learn a lot of stuff that is pretty basic to big system builders for what I am doing right now. Feel like a nooblet for having the motherboard I did for as long as I did but oh well, got a good one now.
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It can be confusing, I know my first build it took me forever. I would NEVER EVER buy a computer from Best Buy tho except for a basic laptop that was a really good deal or something. And anyone with an Alienware=overpaid by double or triple over a home built.



Hmmm, I might wait for CM and see what the R9s are going for. I could probably still power a single R9 with my TX650 but if not I suppose a Sentey 1000w modular PSU is not very expensive, $100 on Amazon.

Would a single R9 290X be noticeably better than my crossfired HD7850s? I'm sure two of them would be... but I'm not sure just how low Newegg is going to go this year. I know last year the R9 270 was $100 per card...

And I'm assuming you mean the 290X can get to the speeds of the $600 via overclocking correct? See that is one thing I never super messed with and I probably should because I bet I could squeeze some more out of my 7850s. Especially if I heatsink the crap out of them now that they have two 140mm fans blowing directly on them in the new build.

Or just do what you said and wait for next year? I don't really have any issues running anything right now and I'm not even overclocked on the GPUs.



Looks like he's saying the R9 290X unless you have serious coin to drop. Definitely wait for Cyber Monday though, like there are serious SERIOUS deals then.
A single 290 is likely at least 1.5x faster than your 7850's in crossfire. Also, with a 290 you get 4GB of fast Vram. The 7850's have at most 2GB and generally aren't fast enough to make full use of it.

Here are some things to show just how competitive the 7850 is to whats currently available from Nvidia at it's price point.

ASUS GeForce GTX 950 STRIX OC 2 GB Review | techPowerUp

and here is performance per dollar -

ASUS GeForce GTX 950 STRIX OC 2 GB Review | techPowerUp

The R7 370 is the same thing as a 7850. The R7 370X is a 7870.

The other thing to consider is that the 7850's generally have a good bit of headroom when overclocking. Most can easily hit 1150 - 1200 Mhz on the core and the memory can also go up a good bit too.

Something else to consider, is that the R9 290(X) and the R9 390(X) are also the same cards. The only difference being the 290's generally have 4GB of ram and the 390's have 8GB but are too slow to make full use of it. Also, the 390's have slight bumps in clock speed for both memory and GPU. Any 290 should be able to hit 390 level performance fairly easily.

Also, don't get caught up on Vram size when buying a new GPU.

The easiest way to relate Vram to people is to think of a truck. You have your small trucks, standard trucks and 3/4 and 1 tons. The thing that manufacturers want to you focus on is the size, so 2GB is always better than 1GB and 4GB is better than both.

The flip side to this is that the GPU itself has to be powerful enough to make use of it, otherwise it will bog down. So back to the truck analogy, buying a low end card with 4GB of Vram would be like buying an S10 or Ranger and the manufacturer saying it can haul a ton in the bed because it has the suspension/axles to do so. However, they never upgraded the engine.

So you have a truck that can honestly hold the weight, but doesn't have enough power to get up a hill with all that weight. So in the end, in order to get up the hill, you would have to remove most of the weight to get up the hill.
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Disk Drives: Corsair Force LS 120GB SSD and a WD Black 3.5” 7200 RPM 1TB HDD
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He posted his specs earlier in the thread. He has a pretty decent system.
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Ok cool, I also sent you a PM like... Friday or Sat or something... no biggie just wanted to pay you for that CPU.


And as far as that 290X... 1.5 faster is not a huge jump... is that stock or overclocked? I wonder what I could achieve overclocking these 7850s as they sit... Only one way to find out lol. Or depending on the Newegg sale I could get two 290X cards and crossfire them and be set for like... years... Would finally need a new PSU though, 650w is probably not going to cut it at that point.
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He posted his specs earlier in the thread. He has a pretty decent system.
Yeah didn't see that, his is pretty good for sure. Definitely a GPU bottleneck there.
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Ok cool, I also sent you a PM like... Friday or Sat or something... no biggie just wanted to pay you for that CPU.


And as far as that 290X... 1.5 faster is not a huge jump... is that stock or overclocked? I wonder what I could achieve overclocking these 7850s as they sit... Only one way to find out lol. Or depending on the Newegg sale I could get two 290X cards and crossfire them and be set for like... years... Would finally need a new PSU though, 650w is probably not going to cut it at that point.
A single 290X at stock clocks will generally be more than twice as fast as crossfired 7850's in most situations. The 1.5x was the lowest end of what was possible. Drive up the resolution or slam it with big textures and the 7850's fall way, way behind.

You could compare your system with that 8350 and your 7850's to my system with just a single 290X.

Run 3DMark Firestrike and look at the graphics score. My system scored nearly 13,000 on a single GPU and almost 25,000 with crossfired 290's.

My single 290X, not overclocked - Graphics Score 12964
AMD Radeon R9 290X video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-5820K Processor,ASRock X99 Extreme4

The fastest graphics score for overclocked crossfired 7850's in Firestrike is 11280.
AMD Radeon HD 7850 video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-4930K,ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. P9X79 LE


It's certainly a bit of a jump. Also, the 290's are no longer made. So once they drop out of inventory, they are gone.


I saw that PM. I will reply to it here shortly.

And yes, Tcopp is likely getting some GPU bottleneck. Although, it depends on what kind of lag he is talking about. If the framerate goes to crap, then yes, it's the GPU. If you click on something and there is a delay, that is with the internet.
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Hmmm well hopefully they'll have the 290X on a fire sale to clear it out on CM this year like they did with the 270s last year. It its still available... I just need to make sure I don't do anything stupid and spend more money right now lol. The Stang still needs a new intake and blower cams and wheels...
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Yeah. Sorry.

What do you mean by bottleneck?


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There are two types of bottlenecks in pc terms. You have CPU or GPU bottleneck.
The bottleneck is the limitation of your system.

In your case, your system is being held back by the graphics card (GPU).

This completely depends on what exactly you are doing. As some things that appear to be a bottleneck, are not.
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He could also clock that i5 way up past what it is running right now IIRC. I know the newer i5s are spectacular processors.
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