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Old 06-04-2016, 04:58 PM   #211
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I'm using the Corsair Strafe keyboard, Corsair Katar mouse, Corsair Void USB Headset, and the Corsair Mouse Mat. Love the setup!
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I guess I will see how I like the default keyboard and go from there. Ergonomics probably trumps everything when it comes to e keyboard for gaming.

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Been awhile since posted but I'm very undecided on what to go with. Intel or AMD. I know the Zen CPU is coming out soon. Was thinking of going with the 8370 or go with Intel i5 6400. As far as GPU I was looking at the rx480 but the gtx 1060 is about the same price. I have a budget of $1000. Just need a good computer for gaming. I'm currently using MSI laptop with i7 and gtx 960m and it's showing its age.

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My 970 could run everything ultra and usually be over 60. Now that I have a 1080 it blows everything away. What is the cost on a 1070 and an i5?

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Sorry is your budget for cpu and gpu or a whole system?

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Been awhile since posted but I'm very undecided on what to go with. Intel or AMD. I know the Zen CPU is coming out soon. Was thinking of going with the 8370 or go with Intel i5 6400. As far as GPU I was looking at the rx480 but the gtx 1060 is about the same price. I have a budget of $1000. Just need a good computer for gaming. I'm currently using MSI laptop with i7 and gtx 960m and it's showing its age.
With current offerings, go Intel on the CPU and it depends how much you want to spend on a graphics card.

Things to consider before making any recommendations are;

Is the $1000 budget for a complete system or just for main components? Example - you have the peripherals (KB, Mouse, Monitor, Audio) but just need the tower.

What resolution are you gaming at and at what refresh does your monitor support?

What games are you playing or planning on playing and at what settings?

Do you want to be able to overclock the system?

If you need the entire system, how much storage space do you think you will need?

Any other specifics can only help. Example - need SD card reader, Blu-Ray drive, etc..


I build high end gaming and workstations for a living and answering these questions will make sure the money is spent correctly.

I see it way to often, people go out and spend $2500 on a new system and go buy an $80, 1080p, 60hz monitor and wonder why it isn't any better than their friends $650 system. It's all about balancing things out.


For just a tower, here is what I would recommend. There is still some money left over for miscellaneous parts, if needed. Also, with the Z170 motherboard, the 6600K CPU and the CM212 Evo cooler, there is some overclocking that can be done. Getting that system 100% stable at 4.5 Ghz should be extremely easy.



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CPU: Intel Core i5-6600K 3.5GHz Quad-Core Processor ($237.49 @ B&H)
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO 82.9 CFM Sleeve Bearing CPU Cooler ($29.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z170M-D3H Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($109.98 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Z400s 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: MSI Radeon RX 480 8GB ARMOR 8G OC Video Card ($250.00 @ B&H)
Case: Fractal Design Define S ATX Mid Tower Case ($59.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA BQ 750W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($49.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $901.41
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
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I will explain why I selected these parts.

The CPU I5 6600K, the Z170 motherboard and CM212 Evo cooler will allow for easy overclocking and much better performance, especially in newer games like Battlefield 1.

The reasoning behind the storage comes down to using an SSD as a boot drive (around 10 seconds from hitting power button to being on a usable desktop) and the 1TB HDD as the storage drive where games and media will be stored.

The reasoning behind the 8GB RX480 over the 6GB GTX1060 is that the RX480 will have a much longer life than the 1060. Nvidia tends to build there cards for planned obsolescence. Also, the RX480 performs on par or better than the GTX1060 in Vulkan and DX12 titles, which are the future and performance is roughly the same in older titles.

All parts can of course be modified, this is just a rough idea.

Performance wise, a system like this should be able to run every game at max settings for the next year or longer at 1080p and will likely run 2560 x 1440 very well at max settings in most titles.
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Thanks, Ish! Yes, my budget is roughly $1,000 and I have everything I need but the tower. (Monitor, keyboard, etc) I'm running the 144hz Asus 24 inch monitor. I plan to run dual monitors eventually. Also plan to run at least newer games at 1080p (cod iw, bf1, titanfall 2). Not caring about 1440 or 4k at the moment. Don't need blue ray driver or CD drive. Or Windows. I can provide windows. Pretty much the sum of this is I want to play newer games at 1080p with no frame drops.

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That setup I listed should play BF1 at max settings and 1080p at around 100 fps most of the time.

If you can squeeze it, dropping the RX480 for a GTX1070 is highly recommended. Buying one of those would put you around $1050. The jump in performance would be quite substantial -



If you are not comfortable with overclocking, you can dump the 6600k, the Z170 motherboard and the CM 212 cooler and end up with a GTX1070 and an I7 6700 for $1032.

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CPU: Intel Core i7-6700 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($289.99 @ B&H)
Motherboard: ASRock H170 Pro4 ATX LGA1151 Motherboard ($89.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: Crucial Ballistix Sport LT 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-2400 Memory ($69.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Z400s 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($43.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($49.99 @ B&H)
Video Card: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB Windforce OC Video Card ($379.99 @ B&H)
Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case ($52.99 @ Amazon)
Power Supply: Corsair CXM 550W 80+ Bronze Certified Semi-Modular ATX Power Supply ($54.99 @ Amazon)
Total: $1031.92
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The case is completely personal preference. However, I generally go with a Corsair, Fractal or Cougar case in this price range. They are all well built and generally well thought out. Just need to make sure there is enough room for the GPU.

Also, if you want 2nd monitor, that is fine, but if you want to game on multiple monitors you will need an odd number of them.
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Also screw stupid **** like this... Thing was barely moved and had me pulling my hair out. Lucky the PSU came with 3 cables...

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Looking good.

That CPU cooler is massive.

Get your system back up to 5 Ghz and how is the second Fury working out?
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That cooler is probably 3/4s the size of some mini itx builds lol

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Looking good.

That CPU cooler is massive.

Get your system back up to 5 Ghz and how is the second Fury working out?

Was waiting to get that 3rd fan installed and make sure all is stable before I tried to crank it back up. But yeah it is massive lol. If you are going to do something... Actually when I flashed the new BIOS it erased all my OC settings and I didn't even notice lol. Ppl trash the 8350 so much on FB/forums but I love mine. I can get an i5 6600 (non K) and DDR4 for next to nothing if I wanted and all I'd need to buy is a mobo but I really don't see the point to go through the trouble.

I'm going to play the **** out of Mordor tonight and find out with the crossfire. Almost all the games I play support it and have profiles now, its not like the current hell that is SLI and Nvidia as far as drivers/software and EVGA cards melting...

Just got the card installed the other night properly. Sat in the box for like a week before I got around to it and then like I said, was pulling my hair out with that damn PCIE power cord trying to figure it out. Whole system is dead nuts smooth tho. Works really really well and that monitor is just glorious.


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Well graphics score of 25000 in 3dmark11, still need to get Firestrike on here but holy ****... And playing now is at 4.0ghz. About to crank this sucker up to 5.0ghz and hold onto my bologna. I'm assuming 3dmark11 is 1080p results... in which case these aren't any better than a few 290x cards but I know at 1440p (where I play) these things will pull away from the Hawaii cards fast.
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How much of a difference is 1440 over 1080? Right now I'm playing on an ultrawide 1080 and have been curious.

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Difference is massive. I went from three 24" 1080p monitors at 5760x1080 to a single 34" 3440x1440 and its completely amazingly sharper, clearer and better.


IMO, either get a 1440 ultrawide or this black Friday hit one of the sales for a real good 2560x1440 16:9 ratio gaming monitor at 27" or something.
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Also one last thing I'm going to do is add a dedicated OS drive again. I only have 5 slots out back (3 HDD and 2 SSD). All slots are full so I'm going to mount a 64 or 128gb (whatever is on sale BF) to the water pump holes at the bottom front of the case. Plastic SSD tray and a few self tapping screws and bingo and it'll be right in a solid intake air stream too so it'll stay nice and cool. Going to replace the current 256 OS/Game drive I have back there with another Silicon Power 480GB and RAID0 them together. I'm almost out of room on my 480 so it'll double storage and boost performance. The 256 will go in the wife's computer and I'll load some games for her.
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My son wants me to buy him a laptop that he can use for gaming. He's never done any gaming with a PC, so I don't want to go too cheap or too expensive. Anybody have any recommendations? I used to build systems in the mid to late 90's, but I've been out of the hardware scene since like 2000 haha.
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Well graphics score of 25000 in 3dmark11, still need to get Firestrike on here but holy ****... And playing now is at 4.0ghz. About to crank this sucker up to 5.0ghz and hold onto my bologna. I'm assuming 3dmark11 is 1080p results... in which case these aren't any better than a few 290x cards but I know at 1440p (where I play) these things will pull away from the Hawaii cards fast.
I haven't ran 3DMark11 in a while, my single 290X gets 18,614 in graphics score and my Fury X at 1180 Mhz only gets 19,116, a difference of 2.7%. The difference should be around 25% - 30%.

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My guess is that there is a massive CPU bottleneck since 3DM11 only runs at 720P (1280 x 720).

Grab the newer 3DMark and give Firstrike or TimeSpy a run, I'm curious as to what they get.



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The difference between an ultrawide 1080 vs ultrawide 1440 is massive.

3440 x 1440 is 4,953,600 pixels. 2560 x 1080 is 2,764,800. So .. roughly 80% more pixels on the screen with 3440 x 1440 vs 2560 x 1080.





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My son wants me to buy him a laptop that he can use for gaming. He's never done any gaming with a PC, so I don't want to go too cheap or too expensive. Anybody have any recommendations? I used to build systems in the mid to late 90's, but I've been out of the hardware scene since like 2000 haha.
First thing, does he actually need a laptop? A desktop will offer much higher performance at a lower cost.

Second thing, what games is he interested in playing??

Third, how much do you want to spend?? For a decent mid range laptop capable of playing newer titles on medium to low settings, you are looking to spend around $800 at a minimum.

That hardware will likely be an I7 quad, with a 2GB Nvidia GTX 960M graphics card, 8 - 16 GB of ram and a decent amount of storage with a 15.6" 1080p screen.

It will likely be similar to XSlashDashX laptop that he says is showing it's age.

To buy a laptop that is capable of playing games with medium to high settings, you are looking at spending around $1250 - $1500.

Gaming laptops = expensive.
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Well... need to sort out crossfire for actual gaming still. Games like Mordor don't load right and then run like *** when they get going lol. Disable crossfire and it all works fine again nice and smooth. I'll keep trying and if not i'll throw one in my wife's computer and call it a day. Going to reload windows 10 from scratch next week on a new dedicated drive and hopefully that fixes it all.
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First thing, does he actually need a laptop? A desktop will offer much higher performance at a lower cost.

Second thing, what games is he interested in playing??

Third, how much do you want to spend?? For a decent mid range laptop capable of playing newer titles on medium to low settings, you are looking to spend around $800 at a minimum.

That hardware will likely be an I7 quad, with a 2GB Nvidia GTX 960M graphics card, 8 - 16 GB of ram and a decent amount of storage with a 15.6" 1080p screen.

It will likely be similar to XSlashDashX laptop that he says is showing it's age.

To buy a laptop that is capable of playing games with medium to high settings, you are looking at spending around $1250 - $1500.

Gaming laptops = expensive.
Nope, not yet. Well, he has a basic Dell B130 (I think) laptop with Vista on it. It's so slow just performing basic stuff LOL.

He claims that you can run Forza Horizon 3 on Windows 10. I don't know this kinda stuff because I'm out of touch with gaming. He wants to play that, then there are a few PC only games he like (and has never played), like Undertale. He also wants to do some YouTubing and edit his own videos. I told him either a mid level-ish laptop or an Xbox One for Christmas. I've been trying to talk him into the Xbox lol. He has a 360 now.
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Nope, not yet. Well, he has a basic Dell B130 (I think) laptop with Vista on it. It's so slow just performing basic stuff LOL.

He claims that you can run Forza Horizon 3 on Windows 10. I don't know this kinda stuff because I'm out of touch with gaming. He wants to play that, then there are a few PC only games he like (and has never played), like Undertale. He also wants to do some YouTubing and edit his own videos. I told him either a mid level-ish laptop or an Xbox One for Christmas. I've been trying to talk him into the Xbox lol. He has a 360 now.
That is an old laptop.

On Windows 10, Microsoft is finally bringing some titles over from Xbox to PC. Titles like Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon, Gears of War and supposedly Halo along with others will all be available on W10, assuming you have the hardware to run it, which has generally had fairly steep system requirements.

Just from my experience with Forza Horizon 3, you will need a beast of a laptop in order to run it and have any decent sort of performance from the game. Throw in doing Youtube, streaming and video editing and you need an even more powerful system.

To buy a laptop that will do everything well enough for the next few years, you are likely looking at something in the neighborhood of $1250 - $1500. Anything cheaper and within the next two to three years, it's likely it won't be able to play most newer games.

If you don't need the portability of a laptop and decide to go with a desktop, you could get away with spending around $700 - $900 on an entire system (tower, monitor, kb, mouse). Then in a few years, just upgrade to a newer graphics card and be done. Instead of investing that money in a basically throw away laptop.

The other option is getting an Xbox One. There is however, one thing that is really nice about the Xbox One. If you buy the games digitally from Microsoft's online store or from Xbox Live, then they are registered for use on a W10 PC through the "Xbox Play Anywhere" program.

Here is a quote from their website - "Xbox Play Anywhere applies to digital games and allows you to play on both Xbox One and Windows 10 PC at no additional cost. Purchase and download to your preferred compatible devices. Purchase once, play anywhere!"

Basically meaning, buy the game for either W10 or Xbox One and get it for both platforms at no additional cost. Not all games take advantage of this, but many of the Xbox exclusives do.
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That is an old laptop.



On Windows 10, Microsoft is finally bringing some titles over from Xbox to PC. Titles like Forza Motorsport and Forza Horizon, Gears of War and supposedly Halo along with others will all be available on W10, assuming you have the hardware to run it, which has generally had fairly steep system requirements.



Just from my experience with Forza Horizon 3, you will need a beast of a laptop in order to run it and have any decent sort of performance from the game. Throw in doing Youtube, streaming and video editing and you need an even more powerful system.



To buy a laptop that will do everything well enough for the next few years, you are likely looking at something in the neighborhood of $1250 - $1500. Anything cheaper and within the next two to three years, it's likely it won't be able to play most newer games.



If you don't need the portability of a laptop and decide to go with a desktop, you could get away with spending around $700 - $900 on an entire system (tower, monitor, kb, mouse). Then in a few years, just upgrade to a newer graphics card and be done. Instead of investing that money in a basically throw away laptop.



The other option is getting an Xbox One. There is however, one thing that is really nice about the Xbox One. If you buy the games digitally from Microsoft's online store or from Xbox Live, then they are registered for use on a W10 PC through the "Xbox Play Anywhere" program.



Here is a quote from their website - "Xbox Play Anywhere applies to digital games and allows you to play on both Xbox One and Windows 10 PC at no additional cost. Purchase and download to your preferred compatible devices. Purchase once, play anywhere!"



Basically meaning, buy the game for either W10 or Xbox One and get it for both platforms at no additional cost. Not all games take advantage of this, but many of the Xbox exclusives do.


Thanks a lot man! This was very helpful.
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This looks to be quite a solid laptop for the money if anyone is interested - https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0..._i=15576689011
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Old 11-27-2016, 08:26 PM   #237
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I saw one on sale the other day with... I think it was a 6400 or 6500 i5, a 980M, 16 gigs of RAM and 17.3" for like $800. If I was still flying I would have bought that in 2 seconds. Gotta love BF/CM.

In other news, got CF working. I took the whole shebang apart after running DDU and shutting down. Re-seated both cards, rebooted and re-installed Crimson. Works! No idea... that's basically what I did the first time except I ran DDU and added a card, not pulled both and re-seated. Gremlins...

Results... surprisingly smooth so far in games I have it turned on for, max framerates are not really much higher if at all but minimum is up 10-15 fps across the board. I was dipping into the 30s in real intense portions of games with a lot of stuff going on all at once, now I don't see below mid 40s.

Running 3440x1440 with everything turnt up all the way and its glorious. I will have to be turning off CF in some games like Arkham Knight but the single Fury should still be able to push it well enough. I still might try to unlock them both and bump them a bit.
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Old 11-27-2016, 11:51 PM   #238
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You guys have any knowledge/experience with the Alienware Aurora R4? I just picked one up last weekend. A guy wanted to trade my MSI Laptop for the Aurora R4 so I decided to do it. The case is massive though. Takes half my desk and weights a ton. So far I like it, no problems yet. It's faster then my laptop was. So far everything is stock to the liquid cooler.

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I've been looking at gtx 1080 cards. I do plan to upgrade the graphics card first.
Also I've been watching the temps and i'm not sure if its normal or not but I use Speccy to check temps and it seems pretty high? I'm a little worry about the motherboard temps and gpu temps under load.

CPU stays around 50 under load and about 40 at idle
Motherboard stays around 70-75 under load and about 55-60 at idle
GPU stays around 75-80 under load and about 35-40 at idle
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I don't see an issue with your temps. In my opinion it was a good trade because you have a good platform to upgrade from.

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I agree. Temps look decent.

The video card(s) are the only thing holding that system back. Jump to a 1070, 1080 or wait a little over a month for 1080ti or Vega and call it done.

If the 6 cores and 12 threads aren't enough, that motherboard will likely run an 8 core 16 thread beast known as the Xeon E5-1680 V2. Bonus about that CPU .... it's completely unlocked.

Overall ... that's one hell of an upgrade.
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Sweet. I was kinda worry about the temps but I never kept up with my laptop temps so. Here's how my setup looks. I plan to pick up another Asus 24 inch monitor this week for $100 bucks. I miss having dual screens.

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I picked up an alienware desktop pretty cheap and it has been good so far. Spent a few hundred on a new mobo and a psu and case and boom good to go.

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I've been looking at EVGA gtx 1080s and ssd. In the mean time I'm picking up an extra monitor and monitor arms for the table.

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Not sure in what scenario you'd need two 1080s. Complete waste of money unless you are going for e-peen benchmarks. Also recommend a single ultrawide over multi monitor gaming. Been there, done that, single ultra is 1000x better and does not need a crazy card to run the newest games at Ultra either.
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One monitor would be gaming while my other monitor will let me multi ask. Read messages, read temps, browse steam etc. I wouldn't mind one ultra wide monitor but haven't found any I like.

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