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Old 07-20-2017, 03:19 PM   #281
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And now the wife wants a new laptop before we go too... mainly because when we do go we'll be desktop-less ffor a month or so and both need a computer. My daughter has a new galaxy tablet so she is good.

She did say she wanted a surface pro but... $800 for an i3 with 4GB of ram... bleh... but maybe I'm being stupid about that? I dunno. I could probably get her a very nice Acer or HP for $300-$400 on Black Friday, all she wants is a 13-15" small laptop that can do office and the internet. Don't think I need to drop the $$$ on a Surface Pro for that...

Also probably going to go Ryzen sooner than later. I know this FX is holding me back a LOT right now. Games I should be getting much better framerates that have great Xfire support are not where I want them. Need to get rid of this bottleneck lol. Although I'm just playing BattleFleet Gothic Armada right now which is graphically not very needy although their 3440x1440 setup sucks.
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You could always go to a pawn shop or craigslist and grab a last gen I7 in 13-15" and throw an ssd in it and call it done for like $200-$350.

The surface pro's are really nice and well built, but are a bit expensive for the hardware you get. I switched my local police/county/fire/ems over to the surface pro's instead of their outdated and basically junk Panasonic Toughbooks. In the year or so after the switch to surface pro's they have been absolutely solid. Another good laptop of similar specs is the Lenovo Yoga.

The biggest issue you are going to start running into with the FX is that with how different it was (cores and modules with shared resources) vs all other x86 cpu's is that it won't be getting any more optimizations from software/game developers now that Ryzen has dropped and it along with Intel's newest architecture will need specific optimizations compared to their older archs. You can see this lack of optimization by looking at benchmarks from Rise of the Tomb Raider on Ryzen before and after the Ryzen patch and also in some benchmarks of Intel's X299 CPU's being much slower than their older X99 CPU's, specifically in software that stresses the cache on the CPU's.

You should notice a pretty decent bump in performance from games that are CPU limited, especially with ones with great xfire support.
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Well I found this laptop for the wife, kicking around getting it next month when I get paid or she is even ok with waiting till BF/CM really since the laptop she has now is still ok.

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-E5-575-3...+aspire+laptop

Would bump the ram to 8gb and throw a M2 drive in it and call it. Little more $$$ with those upgrades then I want to spend tho but probably worth it for the Kaby processor and newer chipset and M2 slot.

There are also some decent laptops in the $225 range new but all on the older chipsets and slower CPUs.

With an Adata M2 drive and some used take out stick of DDR4 2400 I'm looking at about $425 for that whole thing. Little more than I wanted to spend honestly, thinking of getting her an elite book refurb with 8GB of ram for $219 but battery life is a kicker for those... She wants to be able to take it out to cafes and places when we travel in Europe.
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Hey Ish question, just sold my truck and some other stuff and have a little spare $$$ to throw around.

What's your recommendation for a solid upgrade from the 8350 and possibly my crossfired R9 Furies at this moment? Wait for Black Friday sales? Not one of those ppl opposed to AMD or Intel or AMD or Nvidia. I'll grab whatever the best value for the performance at this point.

Sick of modded Skyrim struggling at 30fps on 3440x1440 tbth although I bet I'm CPU bottlenecked there although Skyrim crossfire support is garbage. Games like Witcher 3, Mordor and GTA5 look spectacular.
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Hey Ish question, just sold my truck and some other stuff and have a little spare $$$ to throw around.

What's your recommendation for a solid upgrade from the 8350 and possibly my crossfired R9 Furies at this moment? Wait for Black Friday sales? Not one of those ppl opposed to AMD or Intel or AMD or Nvidia. I'll grab whatever the best value for the performance at this point.

Sick of modded Skyrim struggling at 30fps on 3440x1440 tbth although I bet I'm CPU bottlenecked there although Skyrim crossfire support is garbage. Games like Witcher 3, Mordor and GTA5 look spectacular.
Skyrim is being held back by the 8350, no questions about it.

You can wait for Intel's Coffee Lake to drop on October 10. It's the first time Intel is bringing a 6 core 12 thread CPU to a mainstream platform. Intel is saying 30% higher IPC than previous generation. So, that could be worth holding off for a month on.

If not, IMO, the best overall CPU on the market is the Ryzen 5 1600. 6 cores / 12 threads, OC to 4 Ghz with DDR4 3200 or better memory and you have a solid system that will run circles around any FX CPU.

If you decide to go with Ryzen, I would suggest the Asrock X370 Taichi and X370 Fata1ty Gaming Professional or the Asus X370 Strix or Crosshair VI Hero along with fast DDR4 (DDR4 3200+) and with tight timings it will make for a hell of nice system. Also, Ryzen 2 or whatever it will be called will work on current mobos, so there will be an upgrade path.

If you want to go Intel and do it now, a good Z270 mobo and a 7700K with fast memory and a good cooler at 5+Ghz is the fastest gaming CPU you can buy, until the new CPU's arrive in October.

Only thing that sucks right now is that DDR and GPU prices are insane right now.

With the current market how it is, I would hold off getting a new GPU and just see how your Furys do in a new rig.
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Yeah the goddamn crypto miners are just making GPU prices crazy... I like what Microcenter is trying to do, if you order 1 card its normal price, 2 is like $20 more and then over 2 cards is like $10k per card lol. I mean it won't work but at least someone is trying to do something. Although I was able to get BOTH of my Furies last year for $450. Maybe should have got a single 1080 for another $200 but for games that do support crossfire they HAUL.

Yeah agreed on holding off on the GPU, my 2 Furies pull 60fps at 34401x1440 in Mordor in almost all locations, bogs to I think the lowest I ever saw was a blip down to 38 and mid 40s in really intense sequences when I am fighting like 80 Orcs... I'm going to assume a better CPU would jump that framerate up.

So what would YOU do? I have no issues holding off but price for value is also something. If the Ryzen 6 core will still be a better value than the new Intel I'd probably still go that route. I am working with a budget... plus the wife still wants a laptop... I could probably do the Ryzen thing for $500 or less. Nothing else needed in my rig to upgrade since the Furies are probably not holding me back.

edit: Also since I'm going to be gone from the house for training from mid october to mid november maybe I'll wait for BF/CM sales and see what I can score a Ryzen or one of those intels for... Not like another 45 days is going to kill me.
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Yeah the goddamn crypto miners are just making GPU prices crazy... I like what Microcenter is trying to do, if you order 1 card its normal price, 2 is like $20 more and then over 2 cards is like $10k per card lol. I mean it won't work but at least someone is trying to do something. Although I was able to get BOTH of my Furies last year for $450. Maybe should have got a single 1080 for another $200 but for games that do support crossfire they HAUL.

Yeah agreed on holding off on the GPU, my 2 Furies pull 60fps at 34401x1440 in Mordor in almost all locations, bogs to I think the lowest I ever saw was a blip down to 38 and mid 40s in really intense sequences when I am fighting like 80 Orcs... I'm going to assume a better CPU would jump that framerate up.

So what would YOU do? I have no issues holding off but price for value is also something. If the Ryzen 6 core will still be a better value than the new Intel I'd probably still go that route. I am working with a budget... plus the wife still wants a laptop... I could probably do the Ryzen thing for $500 or less. Nothing else needed in my rig to upgrade since the Furies are probably not holding me back.

edit: Also since I'm going to be gone from the house for training from mid october to mid november maybe I'll wait for BF/CM sales and see what I can score a Ryzen or one of those intels for... Not like another 45 days is going to kill me.
If I were in your situation, I would wait till Coffee Lake ships. If it's as good as Intel claims it is, which judging from leaked benchmarks, it's not - https://videocardz.com/72471/first-i...chmarks-leaked

For reference, in Cinebench r15 - https://www.maxon.net/en/products/cinebench/, which is the first screenshot, my Haswell-E 5820K (6 core/12 thread) at 4.6 Ghz, scores 1403 in CPU and 185 in Single Core, this new 8700K, 6 core/12 thread is only 11 points faster in single core performance and it boosts to 4.7 Ghz and gets stomped by my 4 generation old Haswell-E in multi core performance. The IPC difference is likely less than a 5% increase over haswell, in the real world. Also, I believe the best I got out of that FX 8350 was I think around 840 CPU and 130 single core and that around 5.2-5.3 Ghz. Also, a recent build was a Ryzen 5 1600 @ 4.1 Ghz and it scored 1400 CPU and 171 single thread.

It's likely that AMD may cut prices or something around the release of Intel's new CPUs. Either way, you will have better information as to which would be the better buy and can make a better decision from there.

I've been looking around and sent out a few emails to my vendors and they are thinking that prices for the unlocked 6 core/12 thread 8700K will be around $400. So, if that turns out to be true, single threaded performance will be faster with Intel and overall performance should be comparable to Ryzen but at a higher cost.

One last thing, Ryzen has 24 PCIE lanes, Intel's mainstream CPU's have only had 16 for the last several years. So, if you plan on running M.2 PCIE and both GPU's, an Intel build may bottleneck.
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I am planning on a NVME boot drive and keeping the 2 Furies. In that case I probably would not want to worry about a bottleneck. Still wait for Coffee to drop tho? I mean if I'm going to wait till I get back from school I might as well wait till the Black Friday fire sales they have right? And maybe Coffee will actually be that good? Is Coffee going to be limited to 16 PCIE lanes as well? That would suck for a multi card/NVME setup for sure.

I mean if Coffee still only has 16 lanes I'd go with Ryzen no brainer, just probably wait for the BF sales.

Also, I'm guessing you are a re-seller and prices are comparable to most places?
I'd rather give you business for all the free tech advice I've got from you.

edit: Oh, been running 16GB of DDR3 forever but is 8GB still serviceable for basically just gaming or should I stay at 16GB with the DDR4?

edit2: Holy crap that Taichi board is GLORIOUS... wow...
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I am planning on a NVME boot drive and keeping the 2 Furies. In that case I probably would not want to worry about a bottleneck. Still wait for Coffee to drop tho? I mean if I'm going to wait till I get back from school I might as well wait till the Black Friday fire sales they have right? And maybe Coffee will actually be that good.

Or since I'm guessing you are a re-seller and prices are comparable to everyone else I'd rather give you business for all the free tech advice I've got from you.
It's really up to you on whether to wait for Coffee Lake. My thinking is that AMD might drop prices (temporarily) to take a bit of wind out of Intel's sails when they release their new lineup. Then again, they might do nothing.

I would still think that Ryzen 5 1600 @ 3.9 - 4.1 Ghz would still be the best bang for the buck CPU out there even after Coffee Lake releases. I don't see a 4 Ghz Ryzen being more than a few percent slower than a 4.7 Ghz 6 core Coffee Lake.

It's just really hard to guess where Intel will go with this. When AMD dropped Ryzen, they caught Intel with their pants down. Intel scrambled to release X299 and it was mostly a failure. Coffee Lake might actually be decent, or it could be more of the same. I just don't know and I hate to speculate.


I am a re-seller but I can't buy most major components cheaper than what you can get them from Amazon or Newegg, especially once you factor in shipping and any specials/bundles they might have.



As you can see above, I can buy Ryzen 5 1600 for $202.77 from my distributor, but I have to pay freight from Chicago unless I spend more than $1,000 and it has to be more than 10 items. If I buy 25 Ryzen 5 1600's I can get them with a single $20 rebate. If I buy 50, I can get a single $35 rebate... woo woo. Whereas you can buy Ryzen 5 1600 from Newegg for $215 but you get free shipping and a key for Quake Champions.

I can't even buy a decent GPU from any of my three distributors, everything is out of stock or WAY over priced. So I just buy them from Amazon or Newegg. Nearly all AMD cards are sold out. I can buy the an RX Vega 64 air cooled for $664. That same card on Newegg is $679 but you get two free games (Wolfenstein II and Prey) which makes that a much better deal than what I can get.

I mainly use my distributors as inside sources or use them to put me in contact with someone at a specific company (Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Asus, EVGA, Gigabyte, etc.) or if I am doing like 10+ identical builds for a business.

Profit margins on PC parts are horrible. The service side of computers is where you make money.

I appreciate the offer of giving me business however, it's just not really worth it for either one of us.
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Ok cool well I tried lol. I'll probably go with Zen then... That 1600 CPU is $20 off on Tiger right now for a $199 with no shipping or tax and that Taichi is $183 after $20 mail in rebate and free shipping at Newegg. Now might be a good time to buy with $40 off the CPU/Mobo combo... Hard to be patient with the stuttering I'm getting in some games that are CPU limited.

Any advice on RAM and how much to get?
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edit: Oh, been running 16GB of DDR3 forever but is 8GB still serviceable for basically just gaming or should I stay at 16GB with the DDR4?

edit2: Holy crap that Taichi board is GLORIOUS... wow...
Games are starting to use more than 8GB of ram. I would suggest staying with at least 16GB. However, 8GB should be fine for most things, you just might notice some stuttering in some newer, more demanding games.

That said, try to stay with at least 2 sticks of memory. Running the memory in dual channel provides a better experience. So, 2x4GB instead of a single 8GB. Or 2x8GB instead of a single 16GB.

And yes, that Taichi board is very nice looking. It is my favorite AM4 board as far as looks. It's actually one of the best as far as components and things. The only thing I don't like about it is the bios. It's not that bad but it's really the only complaint I had with it.

The Gigabyte boards have HORRIBLE bios. So bad that I won't even mess with them.
Asus boards are just solid all around.

MSI boards I don't trust on AMD systems because they have always used crap components and wondered why their systems would explode in flames... seriously -


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Ok cool well I tried lol. I'll probably go with Zen then... That 1600 CPU is $20 off on Tiger right now for a $199 with no shipping or tax and that Taichi is $183 after $20 mail in rebate and free shipping at Newegg. Now might be a good time to buy with $40 off the CPU/Mobo combo... Hard to be patient with the stuttering I'm getting in some games that are CPU limited.

Any advice on RAM and how much to get?
That's a pretty good deal on the CPU/Mobo. I wouldn't think they would go much lower.

As for RAM, buy the cheapest 2x8GB DDR4 3200 (PC4-25600) with 16-18-18 timings you can find.

RAM is only made by a few companies, so the only real difference is the looks and warranty.


FYI, your big *** air cooler should be fine for running Ryzen on max OC.
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I heart my air cooler.

Yeah they prolly won't get much lower price wise. Good info on the timings. And yeah I don't think I've ever ran a single stick of RAM in anything...
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Well I guess here is what I'm looking at price wise which is surprisingly not a ton more than some pile of **** console. Although I did get an XBox One for free from a friend lol.

WD 256GB Black NVMe M.2 Internal SSD $110 B&H free shipping

ASRock - X370 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard $199 Newegg after tax > and shipping

Ryzen 5 1600 - $199 Tigerdirect free shipping

G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB DDR43200 16-18-18-38 timings -$138 after tax > and free shipping on Newegg.

So $650 to bump up to pretty much as good as it's going to get without spending a fortune. Not much more than a console and if Ryzen 2 CPUs will go into these boards then upgrade in 2 years is literally CPU/GPU and go?
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Well I guess here is what I'm looking at price wise which is surprisingly not a ton more than some pile of **** console. Although I did get an XBox One for free from a friend lol.

WD 256GB Black NVMe M.2 Internal SSD $110 B&H free shipping

ASRock - X370 Taichi ATX AM4 Motherboard $199 Newegg after tax > and shipping

Ryzen 5 1600 - $199 Tigerdirect free shipping

G.SKILL Ripjaws V Series 16GB DDR43200 16-18-18-38 timings -$138 after tax > and free shipping on Newegg.

So $650 to bump up to pretty much as good as it's going to get without spending a fortune. Not much more than a console and if Ryzen 2 CPUs will go into these boards then upgrade in 2 years is literally CPU/GPU and go?
Make sure the WD M.2 is PCIE. It should be but not all of them are.

Other than that, everything looks good. That system combined with your existing parts should make for one hell of a gaming rig, especially compared to consoles. Hell, a single Fury is more powerful than the GPU in the upcoming Xbox One X, and the XOX is twice as powerful as PS4 Pro.

Upgrading shouldn't be an issue. AMD have already said that Ryzen 2 will work with existing AM4 mobos. Since you have one of the higher end ones, a future bios update should be all that is needed before installing a Ryzen 2 CPU.

Also .. one thing with all Ryzen mobo, is to flash the bios to the newest asap. Back when Ryzen first came out, there were times where I would have the system for a week or more and in that time frame, 3 to 5 bios updates would come out. It was crazy. That is mostly fixed now but just make sure you are on the current bios before you start overclocking.

FYI, Asrock has released two bios updates for X370 Taichi since September 1 - ( ASRock > Support ). Each time you flash the bios, all of your settings will be lost, so write them down once you dial in your OC.

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As for RAM, check this list and try to get something on the Samsung B-Die list - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...nfusion_eg_on/ , the B-Die provides much less of head ache but nearly all memory should be able to run at 3200 now.
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Yeah looks like that Ripjaws ram is on there, cool. Or if something else goes on sale I'll have a reference. Not sure if I'm going to buy just now, there will always be sales. I'll kick it around and see what's what. Def something I want to get done in the states before heading over to Spain although I'll still have a US PO box (APO). Kept all my case boxes and foam so the systems and the $$$ monitor should be secure. There is insurance on everything and I'm going to fully update renters insurance before I leave.
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Well it turns out there are still a ton of issues with RAM clocking to 3200 with Ryzen... BUT... there are a few that are 100% and I got that along with my full upgrade today when all the big discounts started. Not waiting again like the last few years and having stuff sell out to save $20 or $30.

My kid will be getting my FX8350 and the water cooled R9 290, the wife will be getting the FX6300 and air cooled R9 290 and I'm keeping my crossfired R9 Furies. I WAS very tempted to get the 1700x at $259 but the 1600 was $189 and is just as fast for gaming and literally anything I'll ever be doing before Ryzen 2 drops.

What I got:

Ryzen 5 1600
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16819113435

ASRock X370 Taichi

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16813157757

ADATA XPG SX8000 NVME drive

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIADF168J4085

G Skill Flare X DDR4 3200 RAM verified to work with Ryzen at 3200.

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIA85V5RW1708

And I got the Cryorig AM4 adapter for my air cooler

https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...9SIA4UF5MJ8774


This is going to be the ADATA NVME drive for boot, my 2 Silicon Power 480GB SSDs in a RAID0 for games and then a couple 3TB hard drives in a RAID0 for movies and shows with a 1.5TB external with bitlocker on the side for important stuff.

Still have the two R9 Furies in a Crossfire for GPU and the Fractal Define S case with a 1000w power supply. Lots of fans and cables all hidden behind the mobo plate.

I am le-excite. My Ram is back available on backorder for $25 cheaper with a 7-14 day backorder but I don't trust that to make it to me before I'm like a week away from moving lol. So I paid the extra $$ to get it from a vendor that has it in stock. Ultra fast C14 timings too.
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Looks like it will be a pretty nice setup.

I think within the next year is when the 4 core or 4 core / 8 thread CPU will be minimum spec for a lot of newer games.

The 1600 is an absolute beast for the money and a huge upgrade from the 8350 regardless of clock speed. Also, there have been several 1600/1600x that have hit the market recently but are actually the 8 core / 16 thread. Hopefully you get lucky and get one of the 8 cores.

That ram has really good timings for it's speed. I'm positive that system will be really snappy.


Also, as for running the 2 fury cards, they are still overkill for most games. I upgraded my Fury X and am now running Titan X's in SLI. The Titan X's crush everything but more and more games seem to have crap support for CFX or SLI. I'm probably going to go with Navi or Volta/Ampere whenever they drop.


Also ... good to see your car is nearly done.
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Yeah car is close... I'll def see if I can unlock this chip that would be sweet.

Agreed on the crossfire sli thing... Next GPU upgrade is going to be a single beast card and these two furies will go to my wife and kid. Their machines are sabertooths with a fx8350 and a fx6300. Kid has the water cooled r9 290 and wife has the air cooled 290. Finally upgrading the bulldozer Phenom II in my kids computer to the 8350 lol.

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Lol glad I ordered when I did. Nothing went on bigger sale except $10 more off the processor and now that ram only available from a seller charging $40 more. Getting a real nice laptop for the wife for $300 on Amazon sale. Has a m2 slot so will throw a $40 NVME in there for boot and a second 4gb stick of ddr4 in for 8gb. Not a gaming machine.

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Post Office strikes this holiday season! Ram was "delivered" yesterday... not in mailbox, asked neighbor who they have delivered to by "accident" before to check his mailbox too and not in there either. FML. Well the good news is its $50 off from what I paid from Newegg on a week backorder so I just ordered that set. If the stuff that was lost winds up showing up I guess I'll roll with 32GB or probably just return the more expensive set. I made sure this set is coming with FedEx tho. My NVME drive is shipping with USPS, hopefully that one isn't lost too but that isn't as big a deal and is cheap. Everything else has FedEx tracking thankfully...

I'm still half considering just going for broke and seeing if today/CM has any fire sales on 512mb NVME drives and just running two of them in a Raid0 for the OS/games. Hell I see this being the way that cases are going soon honestly. No optical or HDD bay to take up space although my Fractal has them behind the mobo anyway so no issue for me. Just throw your OS/games on M2 drives and then have your storage in a big external enclosure via e-sata or USBC or something. I mean just from a space saving/convenience standpoint alone a mini-ITX form factor/size case would be great just needing M2 drives internally and a single GPU with an AIO on the chip and AIO on the card.

Oh... Ish, maybe you could recommend a solid NAS that holds 2 or 3 drives and doesn't use a ton of power and can run stuff like Plex Media Server by itself? I have a server that I was running 24/7 but I don't pay for power right now. When I get to Europe that might be a little pricey to run 24/7 although I am going to be dropping it down to just a basic old AM3+ microATX mobo, a few fans, onboard graphics and an old Callisto Phenom II (95w chip). I could even put in an old Athlon II 24B chip for even less power consumption I suppose. Would something like that run as cheap/cheaper than a NAS you think?
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Chased after the postal truck today and flagged her down lol. Told her about the package and she found it in another mailbox so... yeah... Anyway. Just waiting on the NVME drive which is going to be a slow shipper direct from Adata. Those suckers sold out real fast, kinda wish I had got 2 because wife's laptop just came in and going to bump the ram to 8gb and throw at least a cheap M2 sata III in there.
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Oh... Ish, maybe you could recommend a solid NAS that holds 2 or 3 drives and doesn't use a ton of power and can run stuff like Plex Media Server by itself? I have a server that I was running 24/7 but I don't pay for power right now. When I get to Europe that might be a little pricey to run 24/7 although I am going to be dropping it down to just a basic old AM3+ microATX mobo, a few fans, onboard graphics and an old Callisto Phenom II (95w chip). I could even put in an old Athlon II 24B chip for even less power consumption I suppose. Would something like that run as cheap/cheaper than a NAS you think?
For a home setting or small business, I would recommend using an old PC that has decent onboard raid and installing FreeNAS on it.

FreeNAS Storage Operating System | Open Source - FreeNAS - Open Source Storage Operating System

I've been using this for personal use since like ... 2008 or so. Never had any issues, it's always worked great. I've even built lower end systems with decent onboard raid, nice HDD's and good PSU's and installed them in several businesses.

There is a little bit of setup to them but nothing crazy, you shouldn't have any issues if you go that route. Just make sure you can find raid drivers for whatever version of FreeBSD that FreeNAS is running.

You could also use OpenMediaVault. It's similar to FreeNAS but has plugins for things like bit-torrent and PLEX if you want everything together on a single system without VM's. I've not used it but have heard good things.

Another alternative and one that I have thought about, if I ever go the PLEX route is getting some decent hardware and going with VM's. I've had a parts list for over a year about doing something like this. Basically, a mid-range build (likely ryzen 1600 with 32GB ram) and install VMware ESXi as the hypervisor then install FreeNAS, then something like Ubuntu and maybe something else. Only thing stopping me is no real need.

If you are looking for a plug and play type setup, I've always tried to use Drobo if it's in the budget. They make good stuff and it just works.

Synology is generally pretty decent. I've never used their lower end stuff but the enterprise stuff is good for the money.

I've also installed some Buffalo LinkStations but out of the probably 20 I have setup, they have all lost drives within the first 2 years. Not sure what it is about these but they eat drives. Doesn't seem to matter if they are Seagate, Western Digital/HGST, IBM or Toshiba. I've lost drives with all of them.


As for the hardware, I would think a Callisto Phenom would be able to do what you are asking. I'm not sure how many streams you are running through PLEX with that CPU but 1 or 2 should be possible, especially if you can unlock a core or 2 on it. Assuming you aren't just using it as a NAS.

The biggest drawback on that old of hardware besides power draw is the going to be your disk speed, ram for caching and possibly network speed. On my NAS, I went from using an old first gen I7 920 with sata 2 to a Pentium G4560 and noticed much better performance over the network. Transfer speeds are now maxing out my local gigabit network at 111 - 118 MB/s and are best of all, consistent. On the old setup, I would get around 88 MB/s but get some heavy fluctuations. Also, according to my Kill A Watt, power draw dropped from around 250 watts under load on the I7 920+ 7750 GPU to around 85 watts on the G4560. Storage drives haven't changed between the two systems.

Check this out for power draw - https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/..._1055T/11.html

Looks like the 6 core Phenoms use the same or less power at idle than the 2 core Callisto 550BE and the 6 core only draws 40 more watts under load. You still have that OG 6 core Phenom?
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Yeah I still have it. It's a phenom II 1055t. It's in my daughters PC now but she's getting my 8350 and the wife is getting the 6300. Both with R9 290 GPUs. Spare processors will be the 1055t, the Callisto and an old b24 Athlon 2 3.0ghz.

This machine will be exclusively as a server yes. Nothing else. What about just using the windows onboard "raid" setup and rolling with that?

Rest of the machine is a cx430 power supply, ASRock microatx Mobo and FirePro w4100 for video output. Or an old hd7850... Whatever is handy since that Mobo doesn't have onboard video.

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Yeah I still have it. It's a phenom II 1055t. It's in my daughters PC now but she's getting my 8350 and the wife is getting the 6300. Both with R9 290 GPUs. Spare processors will be the 1055t, the Callisto and an old b24 Athlon 2 3.0ghz.

This machine will be exclusively as a server yes. Nothing else. What about just using the windows onboard "raid" setup and rolling with that?

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Just so we are clear.... when you say server ... do you mean like a simple NAS or do you want it to also transcode for PLEX?

If you want to do PLEX, that 1055t will be a beast. I'm not sure if PLEX can transcode using a GPU, if so, that 7850 should work rather well as all GCN cards are monsters at that kind of workload, assuming OpenCL is used.

If it's just going to be a simple NAS, run the lowest power CPU you have, as it should be more than fast enough. Hell, you could even mess with undervolting/underclocking if you want to save some cash on your electric bill once you get to Spain.

You could use the software raid in Windows if you want. You won't see anywhere near the performance gains as running hardware raid but it's a simple and great option for spanning and mirroring multiple drives.
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Yeah I need to to transcode. I want to be able to just throw all my media on the machine and Plex Media Server and then run it to all my Rokus.

So I'm assuming the 1055t with the 7850 for the Plex server and call it good? I mean I don't have to have it on 24/7 but if I get electric included or something... maybe.
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And as far as going for a hardware RAID. Do you have a suggestion there? I have been running my two 480GB SSDs in a "RAID0" via the Windows 10 setup as well as three 2TB drives that were spares I put into a RAID0 (very reliable Seagate business drives) and they were fine for over a year in that setup with the Win10 controlling it but I'd at least want the two SSDs in the RAID0 for gaming to have optimal speed/performance. Storage wise I'll probably just run a single 3TB for my main machine and two or three large drives in the server if I wind up going with a server over there. For the server I'm not too worried about the Windows 10 "RAID" option as its just going to be storage.
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Also holy crap even that Athlon II chip pulls more power than that 1055t at idle damn... welp I guess I know which processor I'm going with for a server lol.
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Got the wife's laptop all done last night and her old (my old actually) laptop is back to me so I can ditch my 14" work laptop.

Hers is an Acer Aspire 15" with an i3 kaby (I think), I upgraded to 8 gigs of DDR4 and wiped out the 1TB drive it came with and installed an ADATA NVME drive for the OS making the 1TB the secondary.

This is my first experience with a NVME drive and all I can say is HOLY ****!!! I cannot WAIT to get my new system together and use the NVME there as well. Its like what SSD was to HDD, system boots damn near instantly and apps/web pages open up fully as soon as you click them. Truly a game changer...
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Got the wife's laptop all done last night and her old (my old actually) laptop is back to me so I can ditch my 14" work laptop.

Hers is an Acer Aspire 15" with an i3 kaby (I think), I upgraded to 8 gigs of DDR4 and wiped out the 1TB drive it came with and installed an ADATA NVME drive for the OS making the 1TB the secondary.

This is my first experience with a NVME drive and all I can say is HOLY ****!!! I cannot WAIT to get my new system together and use the NVME there as well. Its like what SSD was to HDD, system boots damn near instantly and apps/web pages open up fully as soon as you click them. Truly a game changer...
NVME drives running on PCIE are quite fast compared to all other storage options. That said, for gaming and similar type of loads, there isn't a huge difference between NVME and a good SATA3 SSD. At least none that I've noticed.

As for hardware vs software raid, running software raid via windows works pretty well to be honest but you won't see the performance in real world applications as you would vs hardware raid.

https://foxdeploy.com/2015/10/30/win...nce-smackdown/

As for configuring, it completely depends on your motherboard. Some have applications that you can use to setup in Windows, other require you to do it via the bios.

Either one is pretty simple.
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Finished getting it together this morning. Pretty straightforward except one less fan header for my massive amounts of fans lol. I got it since one of them is a 1.5A port so I could bug in a few xtra fans there.

Haven't had much time to mess with it while getting the Mustang finished up but I'll get it.
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