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Old 10-30-2008, 10:57 PM   #1
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The Republican Party Is Dead *Good Article*

Time for a New Third Party Republican Party Offshoot - Chuck Lasker - Open Salon

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The Republican Party is dead. Yes, I'm saying this before the election. Even if McCain wins, which could happen if Obama supporters stay home thinking the election is in the bag, the GOP still has lost its way along with a substantial number of members. While high-profile Republicans like Susan Eisenhower and Frank Schaeffer have made the headlines, the real exodus is on Main Street.

Contrary to popular belief, a large percentage of Republicans are unhappy not because of the Bush administration itself, but because of the recent clear revelations of what direction the Party is heading. Actually, we've started realizing the problems began all the way back in Reagan's presidency, and the only thing that has remained "Republican" has been the talking points. Let's quickly review the Republican Principles listed on the GOP site itself.
Click the link for the list. Couldn't have said it better myself.

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President Reagan was the first president in American history to lower the highest tax rate and raise the lowest tax rate, beginning a shift in tax burden to the middle class that has continued through to the "Bush Tax Cuts." Reagan increased the national debt from $700 billion to $3 trillion.
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The Republican Party is dead. Yes, I'm saying this before the election. Even if McCain wins, which could happen if Obama supporters stay home thinking the election is in the bag, the GOP still has lost its way along with a substantial number of members. While high-profile Republicans like Susan Eisenhower and Frank Schaeffer have made the headlines, the real exodus is on Main Street.

Contrary to popular belief, a large percentage of Republicans are unhappy not because of the Bush administration itself, but because of the recent clear revelations of what direction the Party is heading. Actually, we've started realizing the problems began all the way back in Reagan's presidency, and the only thing that has remained "Republican" has been the talking points. Let's quickly review the Republican Principles listed on the GOP site itself.
Republican Principles

I'm a Republican Because...

I BELIEVE the strength of our nation lies with the individual and that each person's dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored.

I BELIEVE in equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all, regardless of race, creed, sex, age or disability.

I BELIEVE free enterprise and encouraging individual initiative have brought this nation opportunity, economic growth and prosperity.

I BELIEVE government must practice fiscal responsibility and allow individuals to keep more of the money they earn.

I BELIEVE the proper role of government is to provide for the people only those critical functions that cannot be performed by individuals or private organizations, and that the best government is that which governs least.

I BELIEVE the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government closest to the people.

I BELIEVE Americans must retain the principles that have made us strong while developing new and innovative ideas to meet the challenges of changing times.

I BELIEVE Americans value and should preserve our national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights throughout the world.

FINALLY, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government.
Does the current Republican leadership represent these values? An honest assessment will reveal that there is a new set of principles at work within the leadership.
2008 Republican Principles (Chuck Lasker's perception)

I'm a Republican Because...

I BELIEVE the strength of our nation lies in military might and God's help, as long as we do His Will and make this a Christian nation while supporting Israel until the day Israel is destroyed and Jesus returns.

I BELIEVE that each person's dignity, freedom, ability and responsibility must be honored unless we can encroach on these in the name of safety or other short-term excuse that the idiot populace will accept.

I BELIEVE in special rights and justice for Republican politicians, Christian leaders, the extremely wealthy and lobbyists, regardless of cause as long as the money is right.

I BELIEVE in equal justice and equal opportunity for everyone else, regardless of race, creed, sex, age or disability, unless we're talking about lazy black people, illegal Mexican people, uneducated women, homosexuals, or, if justice and opportunity for disabled people costs businesses money.

I BELIEVE large corporate profits, stock market wealth and protection of monopolies will bring this nation opportunity, economic growth and increased prosperity for the upper one percent of incomes.

I BELIEVE government should talk about fiscal responsibility and allowing individuals to keep more of the money they earn, but should actually borrow and spend recklessly and place the full burden of taxes on those with lower and lower incomes and future generations for short term gain. Any taxes on the rich are socialism.

I BELIEVE the proper role of government is to advance Christian evangelical morals through tax code, control of education, judicial appointments, privatization and the proper Christian philosophies of wealth and warfare.

I BELIEVE the most effective, responsible and responsive government is government run by those who know best, and all means necessary must be used to work against poll access by the lowly, the lazy, the stupid and the poor.

I BELIEVE the Republican Party was founded by America's founding fathers to fight Roe vs. Wade, to protect "Under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance they wrote, to put "Under God" on our money, and to keep the Ten Commandments in our Courtrooms and government buildings.

I BELIEVE that we must never speak to our enemies, unless they're very big enemies with money and cheap labor agreements.

I BELIEVE in free trade with lower nations that provide cheap labor and higher profits and any attempt to induce labor or environmental equality on these nations is liberalism.

I BELIEVE you're either with us or you're with the terrorists. If you do not have the same beliefs we do, you are un-American and worthy of derision, abuse, vandalism, placement on no-fly lists and investigation.

I BELIEVE anyone labeled "liberal" is a socialist, which is actually communist, which is actually Marxist, which means evil.

I BELIEVE abortion must be made illegal, but stopping extramarital and teen sex is more important than reducing abortion rates, so I support abstinence-only education, blocking of access to birth control by teens, and punishing poor people for being lazy by blocking access to health care to those women who want to keep their babies.

I BELIEVE Americans must retain only those principles that we consider important while developing new and innovative ideas for bringing power to a Republican executive branch and reducing the power of the annoying Congress and the activist Courts.

I BELIEVE Americans value and should preserve our national strength and pride while working to extend peace, freedom and human rights to good Americans only, and to create international opportunities throughout the world to develop inexpensive manufacturing for American companies.

FINALLY, I believe the Republican Party is the best vehicle for translating these ideals into positive and successful principles of government, and I believe we must use any means necessary, including lies, smears, voter suppression, federal police, the Secret Service, warrantless spying, even the destruction of lives and reputations, to progress our God-endorsed agenda.
Frank Schaeffer, author of the memoir that explains his (now regretted) part in helping the evangelicals take over the Republican Party titled "Crazy for God," describes our current Party well in his Huffington Post blog. The Republican Party has been taken over by The Religious Right, The Neoconservative Movement, and Corporate Business Interests.

Susan Eisenhower, granddaughter of President Dwight D. Eisenhower, has also left the Republican Party with a scathing indictment of the McCain campaign and the current GOP leadership.

Many moderate Republicans still do not realize what has happened. They believe the Republican Party is still the same. They follow the Republican rhetoric of today because they haven't stopped to see the hypocrisy, the contradictions, and the slowly-changed priorities. Those moderate Republicans still supporting McCain are unwitting participants in an entirely new agenda.

This is why you have middle class Republicans screaming that there should be more tax breaks for the rich, but tax breaks for the middle class are socialism. This is why, after 40 years of Republicans doing nothing to reduce abortions, pro-lifers are still voting for Republicans with the insane hope that this time they'll do something. This is why Christian Republicans are supporting a Christian-in-name-only (McCain) against a fellow brother in Christ (Obama). And this is why a completely unqualified hockey mom can be touted as the "future of the Republican Party," simply because she spews out the proper talking points and wants to use courts and police forces to end abortion while eliminating programs that reduce unwanted pregnancies that lead to abortions.

I spoke with a young African-American Democrat at an Obama rally last month and he was shocked to learn where the GOP came from and the progressive programs we spearheaded. So, a little history of the Republican Party is in order. Don't skip it if you think you know our history, because you probably don't.

The Republican Party was created in 1854 as an anti-slavery party. Republican President Dwight D. Eisenhower created the interstate highway system, worked to integrate black and white public schools nationwide, and expanded Social Security. Republicans pushed through the Civil Rights Act of 1964. President Richard Nixon sat down with Communist China and the Soviet Union "without preconditions" and negotiated new trade and arms agreements, expanded Social Security, tried to pass minimum wage and universal health care plans (unsuccessfully), created the EPA and OSHA, and created The Philadelphia Plan, which was the U.S. government's first affirmative action program. President Gerald Ford pushed through the Equal Rights Amendment, proclaiming, "In this Land of the Free, it is right, and by nature it ought to be, that all men and all women are equal before the law."

Does this sound like the party of Bush/Cheney/McCain/Palin? Is this the kind of progress you hear from Republicans while promoting McCain on the news today? How did our Party get to this point? A little more history is in order, which again will probably surprise (and possibly anger) most Republicans.

President Reagan was the first president in American history to lower the highest tax rate and raise the lowest tax rate, beginning a shift in tax burden to the middle class that has continued through to the "Bush Tax Cuts." Reagan increased the national debt from $700 billion to $3 trillion. Reagan was the first Republican President to truly court the evangelical vote, moving the Republican platform far to the right. Reagan's coalition with evangelical leaders like Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson, James Dobson and others began the anti-Democracy tactics of voter suppression of the poor and minorities. Paul Weyrich, a cofounder of the Moral Majority, said,
"Many of our Christians have what I call the 'goo goo' syndrome -- good government. They want everybody to vote. I don't want everybody to vote. . . . As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down."
Clearly, Ronald Reagan was doing what he thought was best for the country, and had no idea what evil would be wrought by allowing the Religious Right a seat at the GOP table. Reagan ended the Cold War, lead through a prosperous time in America, and made us safer than we'd been since before World War II. But an honest analysis shows that Reagan began the slide to the current neoconservative Party.

President George H. W. Bush attempted to overturn Reagan's borrow and spend legacy but was unsuccessful. Bush also ended the Kuwait-Iraq war quickly as befits Republican principles.

Under President Clinton, even as he balanced the budget and reformed welfare, the Republican leadership accelerated their right wing agenda using Clinton's "liberalism" as fear-based propaganda. By the time George W. Bush won the 2000 Republican nomination by pandering to the evangelicals against John McCain's centrist campaign, the religious right was firmly in control. However, most Republicans, including myself, continued to believe the Party supported the more moderate principles it still claimed to advocate.

Today, the Republican Party is a ghost of its original self. The Bush administration and Republican Congress increased the size of government, increased debt spending, pulled us into an unnecessary war, squandered our reputation internationally, violated our civil rights, reinterpreted the Constitution, attacked a non-threatening sovereign country, tortured prisoners, enabled monopolies and large corporations to crush individual initiatives, gave additional tax cuts only for the rich at the expense of the middle class, and destroyed any remaining trust Americans had in the government. The current GOP campaign is using lawyers to suppress Democratic votes, using hate, lies and smears, and has adopted an "ends justify the means" scorched-earth campaign that is literally destroying our Democratic system.

It's no wonder reasonable, tolerant, progressive Republicans are jumping ship, while new recruits to the Republican Party are diminishing. Why would anyone other than an extreme right wing evangelical Christian or selfish wealthy American even consider joining such a platform?

Some people are trying to fix the Republican Party from the inside, such as the Republican Leadership Council. But I believe this is a lost cause, as signaled by conservative Christopher Buckley's forced resignation from The National Review, the magazine his father founded, for endorsing Barack Obama for President. The "you're either with us or against us" neoconservatives attack any dissenting opinion with violent rhetoric or even actual violence. Frankly, the Republican Party leadership will not allow reform or change.

It is time that we moderate Republicans join together to form a new political party. Moving to the Democratic Party is not an option for most of us, as they have their own issues, with a general move to the extreme left only countered by Senator Obama's centrist policies.

What can we call our new party? The word "Republican" should remain in our name, in my opinion, to affirm our commitment to republicanism. "Progressive Republican Party" sounds great, but it's the name of a party in Turkey. This is not necessarily a game stopper, but "Moderate Republican Party" is acceptable and is only similar to the "Republican Moderate Party of (ironically) Alaska." I've tossed out the humorous names of Orthodox Republicans or The Legitimate Republican Party as being too sarcastic. Whatever the name, here are the principles I propose it be founded on:
The essence of Republicanism, the foundation of our Constitution and Bill of Rights, is that all people have inalienable rights that cannot be voted away by a majority of voters, which is the essential difference between a Republic and a Democracy;

It is the duty of government to be fiscally responsible with the people's money via balanced budgets, efficient administration of duties and programs, and minimal debt;

Government should defer functions to the private sector and community organizations whenever it better serves citizens as long as functions are monitored and regulated to prevent corruption and waste;

The Constitution and Bill of Rights are to be defended in full, regardless of short term popular fears or desires, with special attention to the intent of the original authors and signers;

The government shall respect individual liberty and personal privacy, regulating personal behavior only when directly required for the safety and liberty of others;

No person is above the Rule of Law, especially our elected representatives and their appointments;

Taxes are at best a necessary evil and shall be kept as low as possible for all citizens, based on conservative stewardship and minimal spending;

A strong national defense shall be maintained, with a reluctance to enter into foreign entanglements and a permanent ban on all military activities against American citizens or on American soil;

As an active participant on the world stage, we shall have a planned, consistent, proactive foreign policy that promotes friendship and cooperation, plus full engagement with our enemies;

Government shall work towards total independence from foreign countries in all essential areas, including energy, food, defense, and intelligence;

We shall be responsible stewards of our national natural resources through environmental awareness, including an understanding of our effect on the planet and the planet's effect on our nation;

Free enterprise and innovation shall be promoted, with a focus on protecting individuals and small businesses from monopolies, oligopolies, and unfair competition from large corporations;

It is the obligation of our elected officials and their appointees to reject campaign or other contributions that are meant to influence agendas in any way, and to make all decisions based solely on what is best for their constituents;

Recognizing that we are a union of states, no federal power shall be granted that can better be served closer to the people via state's rights;

The balance of power for all three branches of government shall be maintained, with recognition of the intent in forming our Republic to have representation closest to the people;

The Executive Branch shall execute laws as written by the Congress and will decline to use Executive Orders, Presidential Signing Statements or other tools to thwart the will of the people as indicated by their state's representatives;

The most essential principle is equal rights, equal justice and equal opportunity for all.
Is it crazy for me, just some guy, a "Joe Six Pack" if you will, to try to form a new American political party? Probably. But let me know if you would like to join me, and pass this on to other disaffected Republicans. Let's start the discussion and see where it goes.
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Re: The Republican Party Is Dead *Good Article*

best thing ive read in a long time.

flawless.

im going to circulate it as well.
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And the Democratic party isn't?

We need to get away from the major party lines and start running on real values and issues....something that was not done (at all) in this election.
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I wouldn't call the Democratic party dead. They have pretty much stuck to the same principles right? The same ones lots of people love to call them on every election.... plus I don't think you can call a party dead that's about to have the white house and close to a filibuster proof senate and house majority.
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First of all, that was the longest f**king post i have ever read. I believe you hold the record Brent. Second, I agree.
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I wouldn't call the Democratic party dead. They have pretty much stuck to the same principles right? The same ones lots of people love to call them on every election.... plus I don't think you can call a party dead that's about to have the white house and close to a filibuster proof senate and house majority.
I'm sorry but Obama isn't a very good representative of the Democratic values.
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Why not? Obama is much more of a centrist than John Kerry. He is about where Al Gore is.

Please state the Democratic values and how Obama differs from them. That article above pretty much listed what the GOP says they stand for and what they actually do.
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My problems with Obama lie alot deeper than just the policies.

One example is he will never be photographed with any person in uniform. How can the Commander in Chief of this nation's military not at least respect a person serving under them?
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Do you honestly believe Obama has no respect for the military?

Give me a break.

So does he not reflect the Democratic values or does he just not like the military?

Or is he a terrorist secretly plotting to overthrow the US government?

This is the kind of thing that makes me sick to have once called myself a Republican. The scare tactics, the attacking of a candidates patriotism.

Fear is what get Republicans to the polls.

Fear pushed Republicans to the polls in 2004 in many key states because it was made a point to put gay marriage amendments on the ballot. Now Republicans are scared that Obama is some terrorist, or a Muslim or whatever else the McCain campaign can muster up.

More proof: http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/....ad/index.html

Patriotism, fear and Religion. That is all the Republicans are about these days.
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Obama wasnt even allowed to take the test for the FBI. Which worries me. Do you want someone who cant even join the FBI to have control over it?
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He couldn't pass the background check because he worked with Bill Ayers on a committee in Chicago. Him along with many other people couldn't pass that test for the same reason. Hell a top Republican that served with Nixon worked with Ayers in the same way that Obama did and the guy donated money to McCain. Give me a break.

Something tells me if Arnold Weber (Republican who worked with Ayers in same capacity as Obama) ran for President a lot less Republicans would be concerned about his terrorist ties.

Just for the record, Obama never tried to take the FBI test. A bunch of Republicans figured out he couldn't take it and spun it into that.

Fear. It's a *****.
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yeah, im really sick of all the scare tactics used by both sides - but especially the republicans because they lie about personal items rather than POLICIES.

he isnt a terrorist, he isnt a muslim, he isnt a foreigner, he isnt a socialist.

he is an american who grew up in a blue collar family, went to harvard law, got involved in politics, and then became a US SENATOR. if dedicating majority of your life to US law and politics isnt american, then i dont know what is.

this isnt a james bond movie, a terrorist/socialist isnt going to get nominated and win the US presidential election. it just doesnt work like that.

if you dislike a candidate, dislike their policies - and make sure that you understand them too. dont judge them by their personal life or personality... especially if its being told by someone else.

"By the end of the week, he'll be accusing me of being a secret communist because I shared my toys in kindergarten" -obama on mccain's propaganda
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My main concern with Obama is his experience. The same concern with Palin.
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yeah, im really sick of all the scare tactics used by both sides - but especially the republicans because they lie about personal items rather than POLICIES.

he isnt a terrorist, he isnt a muslim, he isnt a foreigner, he isnt a socialist.

he is an american who grew up in a blue collar family, went to harvard law, got involved in politics, and then became a US SENATOR. if dedicating majority of your life to US law and politics isnt american, then i dont know what is.

this isnt a james bond movie, a terrorist/socialist isnt going to get nominated and win the US presidential election. it just doesnt work like that.

if you dislike a candidate, dislike their policies - and make sure that you understand them too. dont judge them by their personal life or personality... especially if its being told by someone else.

"By the end of the week, he'll be accusing me of being a secret communist because I shared my toys in kindergarten" -obama on mccain's propaganda
If he's a natural born citizen why is this going on?

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If he isn't a natural born citizen then why isn't the GOP calling foul. Why do they leave it up to an 'independent film maker',

I'm pretty sure i don't have to answer that. The GOP can cry about his links to terrorists, they can call him a socialist but obviously questioning his citizenship crosses the line.

Yea.... no.


As far as Obama's experience is concerned... McCain's experience is = to fail. You can see that in his voting record.

Both suck.... I'm just hear telling you why Republicans are going to lose this one and lose it bad.

When you base your platform on fear, patriotism and forcing your religious views on people... every single damn election.. its going to grow old.

I'm sick of hearing Republicans talk about abortions and gay marriage like they actually give a damn about either. 40 years. Roe vs. Wade. This has been made a political issue by Republicans except they don't do anything about it.

Wake up. Care about a few more issues than those die hard Republicans (just sayin... not naming names... buy there are people out there who are voting for McCain because they DESPISE Obama based on fear or they believe the Republican party is more RELIGIOUS than others).

Come on now...
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My main concern with Obama is his experience. The same concern with Palin.
Okay, I can understand that.

The way I see it, yes, McCain definitely has A LOT more experience than Obama (and in my opinion, Palin needs more political experience and a Masters Degree in something law/political/foreign affairs related... and I mean that in a good way not in a low blow kinda way... she is just simply not ready yet).

However, McCain's experience might also be his downfall. His beliefs are set. What he thinks is right and works is set. He won't be able to change his ways. He will continue to work for the lobbyists and he will continue Bush style policies - because he truly believes that works, and well, I'm not so sure if it does. The question is, when he is put into a position to make a decision for the american people, is he going to be listening to US or he going to be like bush and shoot from the hip based on his own ideas. For me, its more than just policies, I feel out of touch with McCain the same way I feel about Bush. He is a well off man who I feel will not represent me at all in the White House because of his inability to know what its like to be a typical, working class citizen.

Obama on the other hand, is thoughtful and willing to listen. I truly believe that he wants to improve America. He is listening to people's concerns and problems - people who are struggling - and wants to help them. Having someone in the White House that is working for us will be a nice change after Bush - who almost seems like is working disconnected and on his own personal agenda rather than in the interest of the US populace.
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McCain is too far one way and Obama is too far the other. I don't trust either one. Period.
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McCain is too far one way and Obama is too far the other. I don't trust either one. Period.
I disagree. They are both too far the same way. There are not THAT many differences between the policies of McCain and Obama. For the most part, they agree on what should be done, but just disagree on how it should be done.

Has everyone forgotten the debate where the most common phrase to come out of Obama's mouth was "I agree with John"?

A vote for either one of them is a vote to continue the same old ****.
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Old 11-02-2008, 01:23 PM   #21
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I just saw a sign in Jacksonville that said: remember 9/11 before you vote Hussein Obama

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I disagree. They are both too far the same way. There are not THAT many differences between the policies of McCain and Obama. For the most part, they agree on what should be done, but just disagree on how it should be done.

Has everyone forgotten the debate where the most common phrase to come out of Obama's mouth was "I agree with John"?

A vote for either one of them is a vote to continue the same old ****.
the only way you can do that is to build an actual, non ghost of a shell, integral, voteable third party campaign, something the average american believes is here to stay and can actually make change, not some PISSING into the wind, angry about my other options tactic.
the fact is, it simply isn't going to happen in 4 years maybe not even 8.

im proud that you guys did vote independent, im really impressed, but the fact is that you knew before you got out of bed that walking into your local polling station was a total waste of time.
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Old 11-07-2008, 12:08 AM   #23
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Everyone knew before they got out of bed voting for McCain was a waste of time. He won Alabama and wasn't going to win the election. Those two things were very obvious.
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if it was so obvious then why was it a 50/50 popular vote?
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Instead of starting a new thread, I'll post the article here, by Chuck Baldwin, talking about the downfall of the Repub.

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if it was so obvious then why was it a 50/50 popular vote?
How is this 50/50?

Obama 65,070,489 52.5%
John McCain 57,154,810 46.2%
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pretty much the economy tanked it for the republicans. even mccain himself said this wasn't his strength. maybe mccain should've picked romney as vp.
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I saw the poles brent, it was a close race and thats the point. look im not dissagreeing with you, we're trying to accomplish the same goal but going at it in a different way, I just don't see the democratic party as any better than the GOP, they pulled the same bull**** campaigning that the republicans did, even saying things as false as palin thinking africa was a country or that she wasted campaign money on her's and her family's personal wardrobe's.

its cannon fodder. did you hear that obama plans to reinstate the off-shore drilling ban that we just lifted?

I agree that something has to be done, but its got to be done in form that Americans will vote for, not just you and me and some of the others on this board, if we were to vote in an independent for president, do you think that party warfare would suddenly end?
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If a 3rd party won the White House... yes... the warfare would end. That would mean American people finally woke up and aren't going to put up with this ****. It would mean someone other than a Republican or Democrat would be calling the shots from the White House for the first time in many many generations. It would mean a lot. When both major parties have to do what Republicans are doing now... it would mean a lot.
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