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guys, i have bad news, its not your wealth thats going to be distributed. you are going to be the recipients of the tax break.

if you really don't want less taxes, PM me and ill give you my house address and ill make sure it goes to the right people.
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George Bush is a socialist too. 36% of the richest people paid to give us a stimulus package. Along with China at an incredibly high interest rate.

Go Republicans! Wish you guys were as scared of your own party as you are Obama. Maybe then you wouldn't have to cry about the *** whooping Republicans just received.
The stimulus package did me absolutely no good as well. I just can't make myself agree with pretty much any of Obama's principles...
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guys, i have bad news, its not your wealth thats going to be distributed. you are going to be the recipients of the tax break.

if you really don't want less taxes, PM me and ill give you my house address and ill make sure it goes to the right people.
This I know...but I plan on being in a higher tax bracket at some point in the future either by moving up in the company I'm currently with or by opening my own business...both of which will land me in the upper level of Obama's tax plans. At the moment it would really not make a hill of beans difference whether I was taxed a little more or a little less.

It does seem however that someone like me who actually gets out and works my *** off every day never seems to get the break like the welfare recepients around here...
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Republicans had 8 years of Ronald Reagan and 8 years of Bush to do something about welfare, to do something that actually bordered on conservative but they didn't.

Here is what they did:

Ronald Reagan increased our debt from 700 Billion to 3 trillion.

George Bush increased it from 4 trillion to 10 trillion.

They are tax hikers. George Bush Sr in his term raised taxes because of the spending that Ronald Reagan did in order to make up for the ridiculous deficits that he ran up every year. Now we have a 10 trillion dollar debt that isn't going anywhere but up on interest alone.

So when you get mad at Obama for talking about having to raise prices on the rich, thank Republicans for letting him be able to get away with it. Understand why George Bush Sr raised them in his term.

Presidents who run up deficits should be exposed as tax hikers.

Too bad you are too busy worrying about the evil Democrats to see what Republicans have become.
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guys, i have bad news, its not your wealth thats going to be distributed. you are going to be the recipients of the tax break.

if you really don't want less taxes, PM me and ill give you my house address and ill make sure it goes to the right people.
No, because we are all going to need those "tax breaks" to make up for businesses and the "rich" making up for their tax increases.
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Too bad you are too busy worrying about the evil Democrats to see what Republicans have become.
I'm worried about a candidate who came out of seemingly nowhere and has been instantly accepted with almost no questioning. If McCain tried to come straight out like Obama he would never have even made it to the nomination. I think the problem is people are just looking for something different...not necessarily looking for the right thing. I agree, we definitely need something different, I disagree that either McCain or Obama are the different that we need.

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The stimulus package did me absolutely no good as well. I just can't make myself agree with pretty much any of Obama's principles...
I can't agree with pretty much any of the GOP right now either. I don't understand how you can?

Don't talk about your guns or gay marriage or abortion. Those aren't going to bring this country down. 10 trillion dollars of debt and knocking down the doors of countries that don't pose this country a risk will.

You didn't have to vote for McCain. You had a choice to research and find someone else to vote for that better reflected your principles. Yet you voted for McCain because of fear. (assuming you voted for him since you said 'we can't blame you'.) You can't blame me either. I didn't vote for Obama. Only people who vote for Obama are to blame. People who vote for 3rd parties and take votes away from McCain do not lose McCain elections. McCain loses elections by not capturing those votes.
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This I know...but I plan on being in a higher tax bracket at some point in the future either by moving up in the company I'm currently with or by opening my own business...both of which will land me in the upper level of Obama's tax plans. At the moment it would really not make a hill of beans difference whether I was taxed a little more or a little less.

It does seem however that someone like me who actually gets out and works my *** off every day never seems to get the break like the welfare recepients around here...
Exactly. Doesn't matter at all now. But, I plan on being a professional engineer is 2 years and my girlfriend plans to be a lawyer in 4 as well as doing something on the side - probably continue to flip cars. I'm not intending to sound arrogant, but I am hoping we will be pretty "ok" in the financial department.
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I'm worried about a candidate who came out of seemingly nowhere and has been instantly accepted with almost no questioning.
Are you equally are terrified of Palin? If you answer that with anything but a solid yes than I want to know where your outrage is over her being nominated as a Vice President.

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People are looking for something different and Republicans are to blame for that. Because they are no longer conservative. They make democrats look like Ron Paul on spending. They get us involved in wars that do not benefit us. They waste their time on petty **** like gay marriage.

Republicans are the biggest offenders of states rights.
They have done more to create more government at the federal level than Bill Clinton could have dreamed of. They used 9/11 as a platform on rushing the patriot act through, creating Homeland Security and they spend their time trying to tell states that the people in that state do not have a right to choose whether marriage is between a man or a woman. They introduced the National Id card. They blocked funding of stem cell research on a FEDERAL LEVEL.

Spend your frustration talking about the problems that the Republicans have that caused this *** whooping and how to fix it. Being a drama queen doesn't help anything. Suggesting this country won't exist in 4 years because a Democrat is elected is out right insane.

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Are you equally are terrified of Palin? If you answer that with anything but a solid yes than I want to know where your outrage is over her being nominated as a Vice President.



PALIN.



People are looking for something different and Republicans are to blame for that. Because they are no longer conservative. They make democrats look like Ron Paul on spending. They get us involved in wars that do not benefit us. They waste their time on petty **** like gay marriage.

Republicans are the biggest offenders of states rights.
They have done more to create more government at the federal level than Bill Clinton could have dreamed of. They used 9/11 as a platform on rushing the patriot act through, creating Homeland Security and they spend their time trying to tell states that the people in that state do not have a right to choose whether marriage is between a man or a woman. They introduced the National Id card. They blocked funding of stem cell research on a FEDERAL LEVEL.

Spend your frustration talking about the problems that the Republicans have that caused this *** whooping and how to fix it. Being a drama queen doesn't help anything. Suggesting this country won't exist in 4 years because a Democrat is elected is out right insane.

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I never said I voted for McCain. I don't agree with that ticket either. My point is neither one of these candidates is good for the country.

As far as spending, I agree with you. I don't, however, see that decreasing anytime soon under a Democrat in office. Instead the spending will shift from protecting our borders to protecting the 25 year old single mom with 5 kids down the street so she doesn't have to work in order to stay in her house.

As far as the patriot act...I seem to remember Obama wanting to extend that further than was ever thought of by Republicans. I think with the election of Obama there will be a national registry of gun owners unlike anything thought of before. I also think the regulation on registered gun owners will cause an uproar that hopefully the American people will react to.

What I see in Obama is Big Brother. He is wanting to put his hand further and further into the every-day actions of each and every person in this country and tell us how to run our own lives and what we need to run it with.
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Lol---
WTF??
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so now as a damn country can whites and blacks FINALLY be equal since a black man was elected pres, seriously. Can they finally stop the bickering about how whitty is gettin you down, about how a black man cant make it in this society. if a white man beats a black man in a fight can he now not spend the rest of his life in prision for a supposed hate crime? (I know not always the case, some times it really is a hate crime). can jessie jackson finally take a damn hike along with al sharpton. (sorry venting steam about some *** holes at work) but serious question though. / rant
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So will the South rise once more? (this sucks!)
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No, jesse was just shown on TV crying...he will be going no where, you're going to get a ton more face time for him...and he realizes if/when he gets nailed for his tax discrepancies he has a solid pardon waiting for him.

And no, they can not be equal because they will not let go of the past and will not stop trying to make whitey feel guilty. Plus, in order to be equal, they would have to ditch all the race requirements when hiring and when doling out scholarships and college admissions. They will never give up that preferencial treatment...so, no, nothing will change in race relations...they won't let it.
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So will the South rise once more? (this sucks!)
I hope so, and I don't think it will be just the south....wait till he comes for the guns....that's when the fit is going to hit the shan.
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...there's a KKK rally here this week...
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I voted. Chuck Baldwin. What made you change brent?
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He wont take my guns away...
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Did the country survive after 8 years under Clinton? Yes.
Did the country survive after 8 years under Bush? Yes.

After Clinton's 8 years we weren't at full-on, troops-on-the-ground war with two different countries. You can argue that we went to war with a much more moderate strategy with a couple of countries (think Pakistan and Syria), but we're still at war with them just as much today, as we were then.

I really feel like the Democrats can't do any worse than the Republican's did. If they did, four years from now they could just come in a repeal all those laws, right?
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good point, thats something worth fighting over.

brent I know the republicans have ****ed **** up, but it sure beats what the dem's are planning, and you should know that we can't tear down the 2 party system in our lifetimes. our government isn't giving up any power, you think we live in freedom? hardly.
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I never said I voted for McCain. I don't agree with that ticket either. My point is neither one of these candidates is good for the country.
I agree. I don't think it does any good to make fun of people or to talk down to people who vote for Obama when you ignore and make light of the problems that Republicans have caused in this country. There is a reason that Obama will have it easy as President and it's because Republicans have lost their way.

Did any of you guys see Elizabeth Dole get absolutely KILLED in her Senate race? You want to know why she did? She ran a scare tactic ad against her opponent claiming that she was getting the 'godless' vote. What the hell?

Republicans don't talk about the issues. Republicans won't talk about what is wrong with their party and how they plan to fix it. If John McCain would have come out and told everyone that he didn't like the way George Bush ran this country and here is how he was going to change it he might have stood a chance at winning (despite the fact the man supported George Bush on pretty much every damn issue as a Senator).

Instead all McCain did was use fear to try to get votes. Obama is associated with terrorists. Obama has a crazy preacher (newsflash, McCain was backed by some of the craziest right wing nut jobs there is).

Obama won because he ran a relatively clean campaign and hew was positive about the future of America. He didn't use fear to try to get votes.

Maybe Republicans will learn in 2012 now that they don't have to worry about George Bush. It's still pathetic that they won't stand up to Bush and his policies. Party loyalists SUCK.

If you won't disagree with your party because you are scared that it might hurt the 'Party' even though what your party wants to do isn't in the best interest for American you are complete trash and should not be allowed anywhere near a political office.

Of course, both sides do this and I am not saying they do not. Don't get angry at Obama for winning. Don't even get angry at people for voting for him. Republicans offered nothing and didn't impress me one bet.

Get angry at your party for not electing conservative Presidents. Republicans have shown complete lack of judgment (me included I will add) in the past when picking Presidents. I decided this time around I wasn't going to be scared into voting for someone. I decided this time around I was not going to play party loyalist. I decided this time around that I wasn't going to put up with just 'lesser' of the two evils.

When 2012 rolls around and you are voting for your next Republican President in the primaries, remember this election and remember it good.

I can go ahead and tell you what I will never support in a President:
- I will never support a Republican that plays off Religion to get votes (Huckabee)
- I will never support a Republican that will not denounce a Federal Ban on gay marriage. (Everyone but Ron Paul and John McCain this time around)
- I will never support a President that will not denounce the spending that has gone on with Washington and will do nothing more than swear on their life that they will balance the budget every year, taking whatever means necessary to make this happen.

Basically I will not support a Republican that is in favor of Federal government overriding states in decisions that are best left closer to the people as possible.

and I will not stray from this criteria under any circumstance, even if it means not voting for a Republican for President like I did this time.

I am hopeful that this will wake up Republicans but when I hear people just talking about how terrible the next 4 years are and talking trash about Obama because he won I lose some of that hope. That frustration is better spent concentrating on the Republican party and bringing to light issues that kept Republicans from prospering this election.

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As far as spending, I agree with you. I don't, however, see that decreasing anytime soon under a Democrat in office. Instead the spending will shift from protecting our borders to protecting the 25 year old single mom with 5 kids down the street so she doesn't have to work in order to stay in her house.
Honestly, I'd rather my money be spent in America than in Iraq. 10 billion a month goes to a country with a 70+ billion dollar surplus and to not one single American citizen. So, if you made me choose, give it to the single mom. At least its being spent at home.

And we are not protecting our borders in Iraq. They were never a threat to us. Syria is more of a threat to us. But we aren't in Syria. We are in Iraq. China is more of a threat to us. But we aren't attacking China. We are borrowing money from them.

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Man, I wish Republicans got as upset about spending and the economy as guns. We'd have a balanced budget every year.

This is what it sounds like:

"Spend 10 billion in Iraq a month, create more federal government to make sure two people of the same sex can't get benefits, violate our right to privacy, borrow money from our enemies to stay a float.... BUT JESUS CHRIST.... stay away from our guns."

Obama does not want to expand the patriot act, at least I have never seen him say anything like that. Whether he does or not, why are we talking about Obama again anyways? He won. The damage is done.

How are we going to put a conservative back into the white house is what you should be concerned about.

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What I see in the majority of Republicans is big brother. It's not exclusive to Obama or Democrats. Hopefully you can see that. It's not just the evil Democrats.

What I see in Republicans now is not positive. It's not looking good. Conservatives just got their *** kicked and now all we want to do is tell people how terrible their lives are going to be now.

You said it best when you said we can't blame you for Obama winning. I think you should reconsider that. You aren't doing anything positive to improve our chances in 2010 or 2012 to gain back what we have lost. Negativity gets you no where. Ask McCain how that worked for him.

I once blamed Democrats for everything, but if Republicans actually ran and performed their duties based on what a real conservative does and they ran a positive campaign and talked about issues, they would win. I have no doubt.
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Brent you really hit the nail on the head. I voted for Obama so hate me all you want. I consider myself a independet voter and I have voted for canidates on both sides except for president, i voted for Kerry the first time i voted. If the McCain from 2000 was running for president i might have voted for him. I hardly see McCain as a so called "maverick." Now with that said i wish Mr. Obama the best of luck and hope he can work with both parties to move this country in the right direction.
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I wish Obama the best of luck myself. If he does a poor job I'll be the first to call him on it. I'm not going to sit here and whine about how terrible the country is going to be because of him though. That doesn't fix a damn thing. If you want real chance, vote better next time Republicans.

I'm just thrilled George Bush is gone.
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KKK was founded by democrats in opposition to the abolitionists, who were republican

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Well, my town passed alcohol sales (finally). No more driving 15 minutes to get a damn beer. I guess I'll stick around for a bit.

As for Obama, I think we all saw this coming. The Republicans got exactly what they deserve. What disappointed me though was the VERY low amount of votes the third party candidates received. It gives me very little hope for the future of our country.

Even my wife voted McCain to, and I quote, "cancel out a Democrat". Needless to say, I'm very disappointed in her. America has to wake up and realize that this "lesser of two evils" idealogy is not going to cut it any more. The two parties are not giving us **** worth voting for. The parties just prop up one puppet after the other. If we continue to vote for them anyway, we are going to run our country straight into the ground. And there will be no one to blame but ourselves.

I personally do not want to hear (or read) a word of complaint from anyone who voted for either of the two major candidates. It may not be your fault that America is in this situation, but it is your fault that it's not going to end any time soon.
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we needed a little comic relief in this thread. its getting uber serious and there is a lot of tension.

honestly, we are getting a new president after getting rid of one with a 20% approval rating. this man is nothing to be afraid of - he is going to do a lot for this country and i promise you we arent going to be socialists more than we already are.

i think obama is going to do a great job. i think, we as americans, should at least see what he can do before we disapprove of him. a lot of his policies might get this country back on track if not make it a better place... lets just see how these plans are executed and then judge him.
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Citizens around the world hail the Obama victory - USATODAY.com

the rest of the world seems more excited for an obama presidency than we are haha.
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the rest of the world seems more excited for an obama presidency than we are haha.
Probably because they know they are about to get billions more of our money via foreign aid.
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Probably because they know they are about to get billions more of our money via foreign aid.
japan, china and germany hardly need our money. well, maybe china, for interest payments on all that money we've been borrowing.
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japan, china and germany hardly need our money. well, maybe china, for interest payments on all that money we've been borrowing.
That we have been borrowing and are about to borrow even more of. Germany is probably happy because we just took a big step in joining in Europe's whole "new world order" concept. The Japanese are just insane and nothing they do can be explained with logic. I know because I've seen their TV shows.
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haha good point. although i have to admit i really enjoy watching MXC

like it has been said before, obama isnt going to bring us major change... but maybe he can just get us back on track. it will take a full term if not more to unravel the cluster**** that the last 8 years left us with. obama even said he is going to fix the problems at hand first, and then do all his extra plans (fixing healthcare, education, etc) later... he said he might not get around to some of his plans until his second term (yeah, he already said it.. even before he was elected too).

the man hasnt been elected for a full day and already he improved our foreign relations. lets not judge him too quickly and see what he can do. JFK, roosevelt, truman were all liberal democrats. i dont think we should judge so quickly - and definitely don't be afraid of him, especially after bush.
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