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Old 05-18-2004, 03:36 PM   #1
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Ban smoking in public places??

The city commission just passed something thats not allowing any smoking in any public places here in Lawrence. Im not a smoker, but honestly Im going to side with the smokers on this one. I think there should be exceptions (such as bars). People go to a bar KNOWING the atmosphere... having this ban is going to piss a lot of people off and will in the end cause bars to lose money. I think its a great idea for places like parks, restaurants until after say 10 PM, or other areas that are very family oriented... but not places like a bar.

What do you guys think? Would you pass that bill?
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well what about the people at the bar that don't smoke

and the waitresses that come in that have to serve the people all day that smoke

I don't think it would be bad if there was a bar that said "Smoking allowed" so if people went in they would be warned for it.. and of course whoever is working there is alright with it too.

My dad smokes, he has ever since he was a teenager. It bugged me how my clothes would smell like smoke and people asked if I did smoke. It just isn't fair to me if he starts smoking and the smoke gets in me. I now start to gag when I smell a good amount of smoke in the air..
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It doesnt hurt Bar business. It has been proven to help it in New York and Florida.
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well either way.. in college towns half of the people that go out to the "college kid bars" smoke. Most of the adults dont even touch those places as it is, they hang out in their martini bars or what have you. I just think that since people have the choice of going to places such as bars, and they know that ppl will be smoking there... it shouldnt be banned. Some bars? Yes. All of them? hell no.
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Didn't you know zimstang? strip clubs and late night bar are family oriented. see my earlier post.
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I'm happy I live in California, haven't been able to smoke in any public building for some time. It's really not as big an inconvience for the smoker to step outside and do their thing than it is for a non-smoker to try and breath in a smoke filled club.
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That's funny....they just banned smoking in restaurants in Dallas. All the owners are pissed off. They said it's hurting their business. I've been to San Francisco right after they banned smoking out there. All the bars had to open up areas in the alleys behind the building so people can smoke. If you've been to San Francisco, you know the alleys are pretty nasty!

I admit, I am a smoker. Say what you want...I really don't care. What I do have a problem with is that the cities are coming in telling businesses what to do. It should be up to the business if it wants to allow smoking there. You can go on all day long about the rights of the non smoker but I think that the choice of how the establishment is run should be up to the owner. If a non smoker doesn't like it, then don't go there! I don't drink so you don't see me going to a bar. You don't see me complaining that people are allowed to drink in restaurants.

Good or bad, I'd rather keep my rights than have them taken away. I don't need the government telling me how to live my life....I already get that from my parents!
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Yeah, another good thing about Cali... one of a few... is that a smoker has to be like 20ft/yds away from a building to smoke. I haven't seen anyone take notice to this, or anyone enforce it. The other day some bastard was blowing smoke INTO the store, and I told him to stop, then he got all pissy with me, the little *****, I'd rip him another one, even on the clock.
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Smoking should be Illegal. It kills!
Really? If you are going to make things illegal because they kill then you are going to be in for a boring life. Let's see.....alcohol kills, cars kill, power lines kill, knives, guns, snack foods....you can go on and on and on.

I realize that there are some rude smokers out there and can be real jackasses. Like the person Speedpenguin was talking about.

What I'm saying is realize that a smoking ban is just the start. After they go after the smokers, what's next? Alcohol is a big killer in this country. Yeah, we went through prohibition before and it didn't work. But what if they started raising the price of alcohol. Start applying the "sin" tax to it like they do cigs. Then next year they will need more money and tax it again. Then what if the penalties for getting caught with it became steeper. All the time the government is telling you that it's for your own safety.

But hey, if you don't like having to make choices in your life and want somebody else to tell you how to live, then support all the bans you want. How much fun will life be then?
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Smoking should be Illegal. It kills!
Hummm Really ????

So everything bad should be illegal Hummm. Dont want to live in your vision of the perfect world!!!

Cobra's should be illegal. They are to fast and we all know SPEED KILLS!!!!!

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It doesnt hurt Bar business. It has been proven to help it in New York and Florida.
I have to disagree about helping it in NY. Before I moved from Upstate NY to louisiana, the passed the ban. Bar business was hit in my area of NY. Granted, I can't speak for the whole state, but in the Rochester/Buffalo area, there was a hit. The hit was mostly in the Sports bar, Strip club scene from what I could tell, but a few did go out of business because of it. The bingo scene (no, I am not a bingo player) also took a big hit. Can you imagine a psyco bingo player not able to smoke while waiting for a single number to win? Wow, talk about trouble.

Anyhow, I don't think it should be banned, but I do think there needs to be better separation of smoking and non smoking sections. A simple 4 foot high glass divider is not going to stop smoke from flowing on the air currents in a room. A fully sectioned room would be good. I really hated going to the Canadian strip clubs and walking into a wall of smoke. Now that they were forced to go private or build completely sectioned rooms, it is nice to walk in and breathe and leave without smelling like an ashtray.
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it just popped up into my new thread list so I replied...didn't check the dates. Ooops. And it isn't that old...only slightly chilled.
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well now that this thread is brought back up again... theres been no smoking in the bars for this past summer and so far this school year. All i can say is its absolutely amazing. I can come home and not have to wash my clothes cause they dont smell like smoke anymore. I retract my previous statement.. im loving this new ban on smoking in public places. Also, bars havnt been affected AT ALL.
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I don't have a problem with some places being smoking businesses. It's when I walk into a bar where the whole room is nothing but smoke that bothers me..but then again I choose to go into the bar and clubs and know that they'll be like this so I bring it upon myself. As far as restaraunts go..I absolutely can't stand someone's smoke lingering over my food. They should have separate rooms they are allowed to smoke in that vent the air from that room straight outside so it doens't effect the other patrons in that restaraunt. Just my pet pieve there I guess..but I'm sure I'm not the only person that thinks that way. Someone's smoke lingering over my food is to me like me going and spitting in someone else's food, just plain nasty and wrong.
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Boohoo baby.

Private property is private.

A restaurant is not PUBLIC property. A park or gov't building is. What someone does with thier private property is thier right. If you don't like going to a restaurant that allows smoking, don't go. You think if there was more profit to be make in no smoking restaurants they'd all of done it themsleves cause almost any businessman will go for increased profits.

It's loser ideas that need the force of law to "make them work". The only reason the places that rreport no loss or minimal impact is that EVERY other competitor is in the same boat. But I can almost guarantee that if they had a choice the PC "no smoking" joints wouldn't do as well as the "bad" smoking places.

Yes, I smoke. No I do not smoke in restaurants, even when I can, which I still can where I live. I don't like smoke in my face when I am eating either, However I dislike even more some governmental asswipe tell me what I can or cannot do.

And as for the lame assed "waitress" argument. Hazard of the job. Don't want to deal with the hazard get another job. By that logic we should ban coal mining, race car driving, astronauts, ironworkers, soldiers, well you get the point.

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i was just rather pissed about not being able to smoke in pool halls that serve food. if you're shooting pool, you have to be able to smoke a cigar, i mean... comon!
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lol, smokers might get segregated. Smoking and non-smoking bars.
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they outlawed public smoking in my area. 9 out of 10 bars shut down. there was this huge bar called gilligans and it was set up like a beach resort. they were open for about 2 months and making huge money cause all the 30+ people were going there, drinking, smoking hanging out. when the non smoking ban started they went out of business.

im not a smoker but i say to hell with the non smoking bans and campaigns. the more you show someone how bad something is theyre gonna wonder "then why do so many people do it" and try it themselves. like marijuana(yeah i spelt it wrong stfu) they started D.A.R.E(drug abuse resistance edumacation) when i was like in 1st grade, telling all the kids how drugs are bad mmkay. well i always thought, "there must be something good about it if people go all the way to mehico to get it and seel it for millions up here" so of course i became curious and tried it. its cool but not addicting like they say. same with smoking, i tried but never became addicted. id prolly become a alcaholic but after 4 shots im done for the next week.
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