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Old 06-02-2004, 03:52 PM   #1
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Mach 1 v. GTO and the winner is.....

Mach 1 baby!

according to MM & FF, the Mach 1 runs a 13.47 and the GTO runs a 13.52. the Mach 1 costs just under $30k and the GTO costs a little over $33k. The Mach 1 has 45 less hp though.
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but how true are their reports? I remember this thread http://www.mustang-forums.com/forums...ead.php?t=6371 and everyone saying how wrong MM&FF are :p
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lol seph, that came up in my mind too.

for teh Mach 1!
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why would they need to lie? no one will buy the gto anyway: its as ugly as my old 92 grand prix and the engine in it is old. chevy is lame, they never come up with anything totally new anymore, they just take all there old stuff and put it together in lame combinations like the lunch ladies from elementary school. the c6 vette is new i guess, but even thats copied from ferrari
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and by chevy i mean general motors so dont call me out on calling a gto a chevy

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The V8 in the Goat is considerably newer than the modular motor Ford's been running.
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its a 5.7L (350ci) OHV v-8, chevys been using that forever.
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its a 5.7L (350ci) OHV v-8, chevys been using that forever.
why end a good thing?
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its a 5.7L (350ci) OHV v-8, chevys been using that forever.
this is where knowledge owns you

the GTO has an LS1, which is in the 98-2003 camaro's and firebirds, and im not possitive on the years it was in the vette, its not even a true 5.7 as the small blocks are, is a 346, its a pushrod engine, but a totally different design than the previous small blocks, easier to work on, more efficient, has a cleaner appearance, and has AWESOME peformance potential

heads, cam, gears, headers back exhaust, pulley and K&N with an intake lid, and say hello low 11's on street tires, and as low as mid 10's on slicks
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chevy engines own...they dont need a blower to be fast cough vette cough ws6 cough z28, i think i gotta a cold i better take a nap.
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lol, so i got owned by knowledge. i have a personal grudge against pontiac b/c my 92 grand prix was a piece of ****. i hope the distributor isnt on the back of the 5.7 this go round
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Why does the GTO look like any other car I've seen? Looks like a grand prix.. my friend owns one that looks exactly like it
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i hope the distributor isnt on the back of the 5.7 this go round
distributor...you really gotta rmember, newer cars = coil packs, lol

i put in some work at a shop my friend works at, we did heads and cam in a 2000 WS6, dissassembly took one day, reassembly took another day, had it running after 2 days of work, once you get **** out of the way, theyre a breeze to work on
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You can get a stock Mach1 into the 12's
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theres a few factory freaks that are running as fast as a 12.90 bone stock with LS1's
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Mach 1's look a lot nicer too
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I just watched a TV show about the new GTO, I saw one at a car show the otherday. I dont really like them fast thats all they are. kinda ugly. I just wish Ford would wake up and get rid of this little HP crap./
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the new goat is ****ing ugly.
Looks like a neon.
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i personally like it...go figure
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hey im with ya, i was cruising in the ghetto and i saw this car go by, i was like WTF is that? so i caught up and it was GTO, i was like Sweet. i was gonna race him but traffic wouldnt let me get by.
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chevy engines own...they dont need a blower to be fast cough vette cough ws6 cough z28, i think i gotta a cold i better take a nap.
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Chevy engines are fast to a point from the factory, but they put little to no money into research. I personally like pushrod engines, but pushrod engine have been around pretty much as long as cars have been around. Ford has been dumping tons of money into R&D, and by the looks of it if you were to take the new 351 and a chevy 350, the 351 would mop the floor with the 350. Also, Ford puts more money into interior and safety than almost any other manufacture, and in the end you get a somewhat pretty fast car that's more affordable than most GM's. I think GM falls close to last on that one. If you want a fast car from them, you pay for it and you get car with crappy interior dated from the early 90's and it feels like a tank. One final comparison. You noted the top of the line cars for GM. We'll start with a WS6 Firehawk rated at 345hp in a 350 engine. That's less than 1hp per cubic inch. A 2001 Cobra rated at 320hp in a 281 engine. Z28 310hp in a 350 engine. Mustang GT 265hp in a 281 engine. That's a 45hp differance, so I'll give you that one, but do you see a trend here? Ford is close to the same hp as an engine with 69 more cubic inches and is more efficient putting down almost 1 or more hp per cubic inch. Ford's the way to go man. And finally not to mention all the crap with GM computers, but that's another story.
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You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Chevy engines are fast to a point from the factory, but they put little to no money into research. I personally like pushrod engines, but pushrod engine have been around pretty much as long as cars have been around. Ford has been dumping tons of money into R&D, and by the looks of it if you were to take the new 351 and a chevy 350, the 351 would mop the floor with the 350. Also, Ford puts more money into interior and safety than almost any other manufacture, and in the end you get a somewhat pretty fast car that's more affordable than most GM's. I think GM falls close to last on that one. If you want a fast car from them, you pay for it and you get car with crappy interior dated from the early 90's and it feels like a tank. One final comparison. You noted the top of the line cars for GM. We'll start with a WS6 Firehawk rated at 345hp in a 350 engine. That's less than 1hp per cubic inch. A 2001 Cobra rated at 320hp in a 281 engine. Z28 310hp in a 350 engine. Mustang GT 265hp in a 281 engine. That's a 45hp differance, so I'll give you that one, but do you see a trend here? Ford is close to the same hp as an engine with 69 more cubic inches and is more efficient putting down almost 1 or more hp per cubic inch. Ford's the way to go man. And finally not to mention all the crap with GM computers, but that's another story.
You are right to a point but actually the Chevy with more cubic inches is also a Overhead Valve pushrod motor with only 2 valves and in reality it has already had nearly 50 years of R&D on the 350. I have to give credit to Chevy for doing one thing K.I.S Keep It Simple. With basic engine mods the 02 Camaro SS or 02 Firebird can run down a 03-04 Cobra. I see it all the time on the tracks. This reflects on the engine side of Chevy or GM because on the body and quality of the rest of the cars were highly suspect at best.
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I just wish Ford would wake up and get rid of this little HP crap./
um, just wait until the fall for the 300hp GT and next year for a possible 500+ hp Cobra....
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You are right to a point but actually the Chevy with more cubic inches is also a Overhead Valve pushrod motor with only 2 valves and in reality it has already had nearly 50 years of R&D on the 350. I have to give credit to Chevy for doing one thing K.I.S Keep It Simple. With basic engine mods the 02 Camaro SS or 02 Firebird can run down a 03-04 Cobra. I see it all the time on the tracks. This reflects on the engine side of Chevy or GM because on the body and quality of the rest of the cars were highly suspect at best.
Well keeping simple works, but try something new and inventive. Not like I care too much, but aren't we suppose to be somewhat enviromently aware. We are in the age of information, and improvement and we have the technlogy to do almost anything we want with our engines. I think GM holds back too much, compared to the rest. The 96-98 GTs got kinda of a bad image for being the "slow ones" but Ford went out on a limb to try something new, and it's working very well now, and it took about 4 or 5 years to get most of what they know now. And it seems like when GM wants to put out a fast car, they just put a 350 in it. Might as well get rid of all the other engines. Now I have a hard time seeing a SS or WS6 out running a 03 cobra with basic, simple mods. Are you talking a Stock 03 cobra? Stock is only 390hp give or take a few and if you put bolt-ons to a SS or something then, you're not comparing apples with apples. Also you have to take in account peoples ability to drive. My car could beat a Z28 if the driver had no clue. Also, the cobras are blown and have the worst exhaust to keep them under that 400hp mark.
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just so you know how I feel. But I rather own a chevy than some jap-crap.
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But most of this technology is not new. Hemi engines, overhead cams, 4 valve per cylinders have been around for a while. Now I am not on a Chevy crusade or anything. But the fact is most of the stuff being put on engines now have been around for 40 years. The car companies have been holding out!!!
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Who cares about chevy engines and ford engines, the only one that matters is HEMI!!!! Mother Mopar ownez joo
Yes 50 year old technology that still rules!!!!!
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Who cares about chevy engines and ford engines, the only one that matters is HEMI!!!! Mother Mopar ownez joo
too bad you dont have one
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But lets be real about one thing. Chevy never ever turned the Camaro into anthing similar to Fords making of the Mustang II MUHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!
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But lets be real about one thing. Chevy never ever turned the Camaro into anthing similar to Fords making of the Mustang II MUHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!
HAHA, that's just wrong.....2:
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2 days = easy to work on? I don't think so Tim. I can remove and replace the heads on my Mustang in less than one day, with it running too. I hate new cars, too much crap in too small a bag. Now my 65 Cuda, ah there is a simple car to work on.


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I agree with that. The last generation Camaro engines were shoved half way into the firewall. PITA
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