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Old 07-14-2004, 04:32 PM   #1
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"9-11 is a scam"

i am not a soldier but in the last 2.5 out of 3 years i have been in an ROTC at Texas A&M where i ate, drank, and slept a military way of life. i hung out with almost solely cadets and CO's. this kind of **** makes me want to join up right now as enlisted almost. i came across this randomly on the internet and it pissed me and my buddies off.

call me a simpleton for not giving such a theory a fair shot, but going to the links on the site just made me laugh a pissed-off laugh. it's psuedo-facts and B.S. just like it seems. from what i saw it was just a bunch of (UNEDUCATED) crap.

am i convinced al-queda did it? not entirely.

do i think this is internal? hell no. if that happened i'd want them tortured worse than terrorists.

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I'm kinda seeing this whole thing in Iraq kinda like the Civil War in the US. There's gonna be a change of lifestyle and part of the country is afraid of it and they are gonna do whatever they can do to stop it.

I pretty much believe that we went to Iraq because Saddaam made Bush's daddy look like an *** in front of the whole world.
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I'm kinda seeing this whole thing in Iraq kinda like the Civil War in the US. There's gonna be a change of lifestyle and part of the country is afraid of it and they are gonna do whatever they can do to stop it.

I pretty much believe that we went to Iraq because Saddaam made Bush's daddy look like an *** in front of the whole world.


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I'm kinda seeing this whole thing in Iraq kinda like the Civil War in the US. There's gonna be a change of lifestyle and part of the country is afraid of it and they are gonna do whatever they can do to stop it.

I pretty much believe that we went to Iraq because Saddaam made Bush's daddy look like an *** in front of the whole world.
what the hell are you talking about? this is about al-queda, terrorism, and afgahnistan.

please know at least the country you're talking about before you make a political post about it. 2:
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what the hell are you talking about? this is about al-queda, terrorism, and afgahnistan.

please know at least the country you're talking about before you make a political post about it. 2:
Hes just 16, what do you expect. Just repeats what his parents and the media says.
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No, what my World History teacher talked about when I had his class. He has 40 years of expierence over this stuff.

Like Bush's first mistake of calling this war a crusade.
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40 years of History doesn't make him a current events expert.
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If you think he's teaching you that Hussein orangized 9-11 you need to pay attention in class more, or tell the principal that your teacher needs help.

His "40 years of experience" (can we say vague) must have rotted his brain.

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We went over every war in the Middle East and every Crusade. And how that effect throughout the war...and 60% of the time it was the same thing over and over.
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please stop posting in this thread, you're just making yourself look worse.
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dont pick on the guy just cause he's expressing his opinions
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They say opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has one and it usually stinks.

Stupid opinons don't deserve any slack.

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They say opinions are like @ssholes, everyone has one and it usually stinks.

Stupid opinons don't deserve any slack.

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We went over every war in the Middle East and every Crusade. And how that effect throughout the war...and 60% of the time it was the same thing over and over.
Dont just listen to what people tell you man. Research this stuff on your own. Never just hear one side of the story and not the other.
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Here is the video he is talking about....

http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/videos/misc/standdown.wmv

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Wow that is one hell of a video

Brings back all that anger and pain from that day..
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Here is the video he is talking about....

http://www.f-bodyhideout.com/videos/misc/standdown.wmv

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i watch this video every week or so. it's like a cup of coffee in the morning. it makes me want to enlist or do something rash. HOOAH!

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Interesting discussion... and Tire I certainly respect and admire what you are doing. ROTC and Texas A&M can be frustrating. A&M is an incredibly good school, and I understand years ago their ROTC program was exemplary. For you to be part of it says something about you as a person. Please remember they are trying to teach you to see the bigger picture. There is NOTHING wrong with wanting to be there with the men that are an extension of our government's decision, but if you were admitted to A&M you have enough intelligence to bring yourself to another level and LEAD men.

As far as the rest, Brent seems to have the level mind. Don't listen to one side without the other -- at that point you are welcome to form your own opinion. Repeat: you are welcome to form your OWN opinion. Right or wrong, imagine how your opinion would have been met as a resident of Iraq under Hussein's rule. I don't mean that the United States of America should be imperialistic or that everyone is comfortable with our way of life... but, guys -- travel. See the world. Everytime I come home again, despite the taxes, despite the corruption, despite the judges fondling themselves on the bench or the priests misuse of their religious power -- we are not perfect -- but we live in such luxury it is unbelievable.

I suppose my point is -- it's ok to be pissed off at things that don't appear correct in America-- it's perfectly fine to disagree... Ain't that a wonderful thing? And what's better is we can actually do something about it.
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Interesting discussion... and Tire I certainly respect and admire what you are doing. ROTC and Texas A&M can be frustrating. A&M is an incredibly good school, and I understand years ago their ROTC program was exemplary. For you to be part of it says something about you as a person. Please remember they are trying to teach you to see the bigger picture. There is NOTHING wrong with wanting to be there with the men that are an extension of our government's decision, but if you were admitted to A&M you have enough intelligence to bring yourself to another level and LEAD men.
wow, i did not expect to be hearing this on a mustang messageboard. where are you from and what do you do?

i learned by the end of my first year what they are trying to teach us... loyalty to our buddies, discipline, both individual but more importantly collective responsibility, motivation, attention to details, and good decision making abilities... no hesitation.

why the pleas for me to learn the best i can?
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I'm kinda seeing this whole thing in Iraq kinda like the Civil War in the US. There's gonna be a change of lifestyle and part of the country is afraid of it and they are gonna do whatever they can do to stop it.

I pretty much believe that we went to Iraq because Saddaam made Bush's daddy look like an *** in front of the whole world.
Not really, the only reason Bush Sr. ended up looking like an *** during the gulf war is because our "awsome" government made him throw the hat in and leave. I have read about the plans that were going to take place after that war but Bush was told to turn around and leave, which left those people (the iraqies) hanging and I think was bull **** since we could have done a lot more back then to help possibly avoid many things that have happend since.

Also not to mention afterwards that the cigar lovin mr. clinton had 3 chances to wipe bin laden out but never did because he was afraid of what other people would have though (politics)!?! Man, a 5 letter word starting with P and ending in Y comes to mind. Well it was on clintons mind the whole time he was president too lol.
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Is it required that to be a member of this board you have to think G dubuya is jesus reincarnated? What is with all of the rabid republicans here? I'm pretty much unaffiliated but I think GW is a moron. All he's done is give really badly spoken speeches and made the US into some giant global bully. Now I have a ton of respect for the military, and I understand that the military goes where the president points, but I have seen nothing in the last 4 years that would indicate to me that the guy doing the pointing can even spell the names of the countries he's deciding to point at. Personally DOM, I'm with you on this one. "Daddy attacked Iraq. It was good enough for him and it 'll be good enough for me." Am I the only one who remembers that retarded speech about. "I'm goin' after the man who tride to kill my daddy?" What crap!
Flame away oh Bush worshippers. I know you will anyway. Insult my intelligence, patriotisim, sexual orientation, spelling, age, sex, location..... Oh and don't forget to use the world Liberal a bunch.
That never gets old. Did I leave anything out?
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Horse, no one is making as big a deal about politics than you up until this point. The video itself is pro-bush, yes it is, but can't we act a little less dramatic?

Also, anyone that flames anyone like you imply will be flamed, will be warned or banned.

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one more thing... iraq has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.
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Horse, no one is making as big a deal about politics than you up until this point. The video itself is pro-bush, yes it is, but can't we act a little less dramatic?

Also, anyone that flames anyone like you imply you will be flamed, will be warned or banned.

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:drama: <-- maybe if I type that enough a cool smilie will form ?
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Horse, do you mean that you think you might be flamed the way you just did bush?
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While I do not agree with everything that GW says or does, I do agree with the majority of it. I appreciate that he is a strong leader that isn't going to bow down to all of these other nations that have been taking advantage of the UN and the situation in Iraq for the last decade. Yes we have screwed up in the past in our dealings with the Middle east and now there are a lot of terrorists as a result of this. But we can't have our mindset on the past. We have to deal with problems now and get it fixed. Terrorists can't be reasoned with, only captured and killed. And anyone who claims that Iraq and Saddam had nothing to do with terrorists pretty much ignored the 911 commission's findings by taking a single sentence out of context. Much like the Condolezza Rice quote in F911 was taken out of context and the meaning completely changed. (from bowlingfortruth.com)

But, you protest, I saw Condoleezza Rice in Fahrenheit 9-11 tell a reporter that, “indeed,” there was a relationship!

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“Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11.”

CUT.

Pretty damning stuff, isn’t it? But that was the truncated, Michael Moore version. Now for the full, unexpurgated quote:
“Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It’s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York.”



That is just one example
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It's sad that GW has made people believe that Irag was directly involved in 9-11, heck even indirectly. Didn't Iraq start with "there helping out terrorists" then it was "weapons of mass destroction" witch our government is basicly just said that they lied to us about.


Personally I think 9-11 started something between us and al-queda and that took us to Afganistan. Then Bush and his buddys decided to ride the wave of "Kill them all" and play on the ignorance of the American public and attack Iraq on the basis that they were involved in 9-11. You can't argue that in Bush's speaches he mentions terrorism and Iraq in the same sentence, eventhough he was talking about two different things, and that's enough for the feeble minds of most of us Nationalistic Americans to believe that Iraq was involved. I must admit it was a clever way of doing it. But seriously we went in because he wanted to finish what his daddy did and yes the oil. Let's not forget that Bush's former oil company and his other oil buddys now own the oil in Iraq.
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Is it required that to be a member of this board you have to think G dubuya is jesus reincarnated? What is with all of the rabid republicans here? I'm pretty much unaffiliated but I think GW is a moron. All he's done is give really badly spoken speeches and made the US into some giant global bully. Now I have a ton of respect for the military, and I understand that the military goes where the president points, but I have seen nothing in the last 4 years that would indicate to me that the guy doing the pointing can even spell the names of the countries he's deciding to point at. Personally DOM, I'm with you on this one. "Daddy attacked Iraq. It was good enough for him and it 'll be good enough for me." Am I the only one who remembers that retarded speech about. "I'm goin' after the man who tride to kill my daddy?" What crap!
Flame away oh Bush worshippers. I know you will anyway. Insult my intelligence, patriotisim, sexual orientation, spelling, age, sex, location..... Oh and don't forget to use the world Liberal a bunch.
That never gets old. Did I leave anything out?
Seriously how many more times do we have to hear people attack Bush because god forbid he says Nuclear wrong? Its irratating.

So did Sadaam attack Kerry's daddy to? Kerry voted for the war. As did other people from both parties. Guess Sadaam was busy over the years attacking peoples daddies... I mean **** he had all the time in the world during the 8 years Clinton was President.... whats a man suppose to do? Hide weapons and attack peoples Daddies!!!

So whos your daddy?
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It's sad that GW has made people believe that Irag was directly involved in 9-11, heck even indirectly. Didn't Iraq start with "there helping out terrorists" then it was "weapons of mass destroction" witch our government is basicly just said that they lied to us about.


Personally I think 9-11 started something between us and al-queda and that took us to Afganistan. Then Bush and his buddys decided to ride the wave of "Kill them all" and play on the ignorance of the American public and attack Iraq on the basis that they were involved in 9-11. You can't argue that in Bush's speaches he mentions terrorism and Iraq in the same sentence, eventhough he was talking about two different things, and that's enough for the feeble minds of most of us Nationalistic Americans to believe that Iraq was involved. I must admit it was a clever way of doing it. But seriously we went in because he wanted to finish what his daddy did and yes the oil. Let's not forget that Bush's former oil company and his other oil buddys now own the oil in Iraq.
The daddy and the oil arguments. Classic
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Pretty damning stuff, isn’t it? But that was the truncated, Michael Moore version. Now for the full, unexpurgated quote:

“Oh, indeed there is a tie between Iraq and what happened on 9/11. It’s not that Saddam Hussein was somehow himself and his regime involved in 9/11, but, if you think about what caused 9/11, it is the rise of ideologies of hatred that lead people to drive airplanes into buildings in New York.”




That is just one example

That makes no sense terrorists hate our way of life that is true, well that and they want attention. They don't need Saddam, or any leader, to help them recruit or go through with something. They're fanatics and the most dangerous kind of fanatic, the kind that believe's they are doing god's work...scary.
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