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Old 09-30-2004, 08:02 PM   #1
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ok every one get off line and watch it. this is directed at brent too. i want to talk to you about it later.
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lol i was just talkin to brent on aol, dont worry hes watchin it
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Kerry is extremely disrespectful.


Bush is not doing as well as I would like
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its on 16 of my fking channels...thats not needed they should get like 2 channels...bastards
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Thumbs up Bush Quote from Debate

" The only thing consistent about my opponent is his inconsistencies on the war as his politics change"

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Kerry is extremely disrespectful.


Bush is not doing as well as I would like
I definitely agree with this
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Bush started off getting his *** kicked. His crew needs to prepare him with some better come backs than "he keeps changing his mind". He is not doing as well as he did against gore and against that chic in texas when he was running for gov. I think we are going to see a bit of a drop in Bush's popularity tomorrow. He better make a come back in the next one.

On a side note, I wish I could be in bush's place cause kerry has left himself wide open a few times...unfortunately bush just said "he keeps changing his mind". Argh.
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If you don't listen to what Kerry said, he presented himself very good.

If you don't look at the way Bush presented himself, his statements were great
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That about sums it up perfectly. Everything seemed canned like the political adds. Nothing was decisive, everything was vague. No details on anything. Oh, and, did you know bush lied, oops I mean mislead, and that kerry changes his mind? I did learn that much tonight.
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i think kerry did a great job. Bush wasent really prepared for the debates imo
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basically, Kerry kicked Bush's butt.... he didn't put up with Bush's crap like Gore did or the lady from Texas
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basically, Kerry kicked Bush's butt.... he didn't put up with Bush's crap like Gore did or the lady from Texas
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omg i cant believe it. now theyre saying "kerry made his points on where he stands" doesnt anyone see right through him. hes just playing on the ignorance of america to get votes. so kerry has his stands on issues now, but next week theyll be totally different. he is such a tool.
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we will see in the next debate.
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I dont think he made any real points. He pretty much said what all of the campaign garbarge has been saying. The problem is, I don't think bush made any points either. He spent too much time thinking, "ummm" ing, and stating campaign ads.

I think this debate made Bush look like he was unsure of himself and it made kerry look like he was decisive because he was able to "mater of factly" state his thoughts and plans...but never gave details of them. Bush needs to better prepare for the next debates if he wants to hold his office.

Now, I think I am going to go back to star wars.
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Actually debates really mean nothing. Bush did poorly against Gore the first debate in 2000 but the second debate Bush ruled

The fact is this is such a galvanized ellection with both side already drawn. There is very little swing vote left. The only thing that will change this election is a Bombshell event to happen plain and simple
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I felt like Bush was running around in circles and Kerry was being an ***.
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I hate the fact that everybody gets so pissed off about all the debate stuff. Thats why I personally stay out of it. cause has Bush lied: Yes. Has Kerry lied: Yes. Do all candidates lie: Yes. I just find it so funny everybody gets so pissed off about this. Its all: "well he did this". and "then no I didn't, he did this" And then all the: "Well Candidates So-So had sex with a prostitute." Its just rather funny. That is a big worthless post, but I just had to vent. GO VOTE! lol
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Neither did a good job.

I'll sum it up by saying Kerry is full of **** and Bush's campaign advisors need to be fired
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you know what I say

Brent for President!!!!


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Michael Moore will **** bricks if Brent won it. BRENT how did the Bowling for Columbine speech go?
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Michael Moore will **** bricks if Brent won it. BRENT how did the Bowling for Columbine speech go?
It went well but I just found out a few days ago my Sociology teacher is a big Hilary Clinton supporter.... yea....
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It went well but I just found out a few days ago my Sociology teacher is a big Hilary Clinton supporter.... yea....
Well imagine that !!!!!!!!!! What is a sociology teacher anyway. Someone who could not or did not want to make it in the real world and becomes a teacher of a subject she has no real experience in. Just like a Business Teacher I had who was a devout Socialist (Self admitted) who had never worked in the real business world and had contempt for Capitalism. I use to get into great debates with him and in the end he transfered me to another class because i was disruptive to his class HAHHAHHAHAHHAHA
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Bush had a great opportunity to knock Kerry out of the election last night and missed it. The debate ended up being a draw. The problem is that any uneducated listeners who haven't been following the election might actually believe some of the garbage that Kerry says.
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Bush had a great opportunity to knock Kerry out of the election last night and missed it. The debate ended up being a draw. The problem is that any uneducated listeners who haven't been following the election might actually believe some of the garbage that Kerry says.
Thing is everyone has already made up their minds. Uneducated people are fortunately not watching the the debates!!!!

Informed people have already made their minds up before the race had started

There are 2 groups

People for GW
Whoever Liberal that would run against him

In todays politics Debates mean nothing but more Advertisement and sound bites. Nobody really answers the questions they divert the issues and say what they want anyway.

In 1980 nearly 50% of the people said debates were influential in determining who would be president

In a poll just released 16% said it had any importance at all

We have been bombarded with ads, viewpoints, spin, deceit, lies and a way to long of a campaign season. Did you know Kerry and the democrates started this campaign season 1 year ago 6 months before previous elections.

It has gotton so bad that you cant get any news without hearing some angle or slant from either side. I just sucks!!!!!
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The only way that a debate really makes much difference is if one of the candidates screws up badly. That didn't happen last night, at least they did a good job of differentiating on where they stand on issues. (for the most part)

While the general polling may show the race as close, there was a point made on fox news that most of the battleground states were polling in favor of Bush. Even some traditionally democratic leaning states are now showing very tight polls (like New jersey)
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GW missed a golden opportunity to point out that Skerry is once again inconsistent.

On N Korea the want us to go it alone in diplomacy, ie bilateral talks.
On Iraq we should have had allies (discounting those allies we do have as being essentially unimportant)

Then he complained about how N korea threw out the inspectors without fear
But says we should have let those same inspectors do thier job in Iraq.

Then there is the claim Skerry made that we should have given opportunity more time in Iraq. Hmm, 12 years of diplomacy, multiple inspection regimes, nuerous UN resolutions and many opportunites for Iraq to come clean and Skerry wanted to keep that going. How long would it take before he would have done something about it?

Then there is the "global test" Skerry says we have to meet. I'm sorry the defense of the United States of America needs no global test for it's approval and any person who believes that is unfit for command.

I eagerly await his thrashing at the only poll that counts.

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I watched as much as I could. I had to go to another room to watch after about 10 minutes, because ignorant Kerry supporters (not that they all are, just these 2 in particular) thought it was hilarious whenever Bush said "umm" so I could never hear what Bush was saying. Oh, and it probably didn't help that as I was watching it, I was making a shirt that says, "I actually did vote for John Kerry..." and on the back it says "Before I voted against him."

My opinion on what I saw has been stated. Bush didn't do nearly as well as I would have liked. He did hang on the "umms" and 10 second pauses unfortunately. And the argument that Kerry changes positions, while true, got old before long. Changes need to be made in his campaign advisors.

Kerry. I'm just going to point out that after the debates, I was flippin between CNN and Fox News, and the ppl on CNN were discussing how Kerry established his positions on many things in the debate. ABOUT DAMN TIME! If these are even his positions. Elections are what, right at a month away? I'd have liked to have known his positions before now.

edit: as poorly as Bush did in my eyes, his performance plus mine and my roomates arguments, earned Bush a vote and took one away from Kerry. Our RA is now voting for Bush.
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If you don't look at the way Bush presented himself, his statements were great
alot of his statments made no sense at all, like this, when he was questioned by about not resigning the kemoto(sp?) treaty, he said, there were other things he didnt sign like the hage (sp?)? which has nothing to do with emissions at all???????? what? and to think that attacking Iraq was self defence from an immedate threat is not right at all. and frankly there are far more dangerous countrys out there other then Iraq. and at least Kerry has and exit plan for Iraq as opposed to Bush.


and whats the diffrence between Iraq and Vietnam?
















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alot of his statments made no sense at all, like this, when he was questioned by about not resigning the kemoto(sp?) treaty, he said, there were other things he didnt sign like the hage (sp?)? which has nothing to do with emissions at all???????? what? and to think that attacking Iraq was self defence from an immedate threat is not right at all. and frankly there are far more dangerous countrys out there other then Iraq. and at least Kerry has and exit plan for Iraq as opposed to Bush.


and whats the diffrence between Iraq and Vietnam?
Ignorance shows in more than your spelling ability.

Your assignment is to find out how treaties get signed in the US. Then you tell us why Kyoto wasn't signed. You tell us who the culprit is.

Then you tell us how Kyoto was supposed to help us?

Next assignment. Show us where President Bush said Iraq was an imminent threat.

Kerry's exit plan from Iraq is to run from trouble like a coward.

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http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/iraqimminent.html the imminent threat part.

the kyoto did nothing for us economically but it did help preserve the worlds envirment, which imo is of extreme importance.we are the biggest pollutor in the world and reducing our carbon emissions by 55% over the next decade would be a good goal, even if it is not made, there would still have done good for our world.and as to why it wasnt signed is so far beyond i cant explain

and this is trouble that was not nessary nor warrentied and he does not plan on running on anything hes hoping to pull some troops out in the next 6 months.
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A bit of my personal philospohy for you to ponder.

Ignorance is when you don't know something. It's not a bad thing as it can be cured. Stupidity is when you know better and choose to do it anyway.

Your above link to the supposed imminent threat statement is a reporter's OPINION of President Bush's January 2003 state of the union address.

Here is the direct quote from that address where he talks about Saddam and uses the phrase "imminent threat".

"Some have said we must not act until the threat is imminent. Since when have terrorists and tyrants announced their intentions, politely putting us on notice before they strike?"

Here's a link to the entire transcript. Read it and form your own opinion, do not take someone else's, be it mine or some reporter's, opinion as the facts.

http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/...tu.transcript/

Now for the Kyoto treaty.

In accordance with the Constitution, the Senate has responsibility for advice and consent to ratification of treaties with other nations that have been negotiated and agreed to by the Executive Branch. The following documents identify treaties received from the President, treaties on the Executive Calendar, treaties approved by the Senate, and listings of other recent treaty status actions, including treaties that were rejected by the Senate or withdrawn by the President, during the current Congress.

They voted 95-0 to prevent it. This was all done when Clinton was president and Gore even signed the agreement.

http://www.techcentralstation.com/080904E.html

So if the executive branch already signed it and the senate rejected it who's to blame?

Guess that depends on how you spin it.

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the Kyoto treaty should have been signed no matter under whos administration. that was a mistake for both clinton`s congress and Bush`s. now this was not my point, its that Bush used not signing in to the world court as an excuse not to join the kyoto treaty. now i dont think we should have joined the world court just b/c they would not seek the death penality.
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