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Old 10-12-2004, 09:39 AM   #1
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Why Kerry will Not Release his Records.



Why Kerry won't release his service records:


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Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore.... Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. The probable real reason is below.
He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended! This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect.
There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was Discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.
His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire. Hopefully, this will blow up in his face before October 15th.
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On 18 Feb. 1966, John Kerry signed a 6 year enlistment contract with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).
On 18 Feb. 1966, John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty &ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 &#5).
Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.
Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969, asking for an early release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."
On Jan. 3, 1970, Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval Reserve Manpower Center in Bainbridge, Maryland.
Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?
Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?
On 1 July 1972, Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive. On 16 February 1978, Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.
Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:
1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, defiled, and mocked, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.
2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on assassinating members of the US Senate.
3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.
4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national television, and condemned the military and the USA.
5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.
Lt. Kerry by his own words &actions violated the UCMJ and the U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.
The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President ... having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, [who has] engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof."
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Typical Liberal crap. Clinton was the first standing President who did not allow his medical records to be made available to the public.

Hypocrisy is the Democrates middle name. They slam Bush for all his records but refuse to release theirs. What a shame that the people of this country allow the Democrats to do this. Another point is the whole draft crap. Bush does not want it, the military does not want it, but the Democrates sponsor the bill to reinstate the draft the republicans kill it yet the democrates point the finger at the republicans. It is all about smoke and mirrors. That is all Kerry is smoke and mirrors.
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I am not sure how bad a discharge he could have gotten and still gotten elected into public office, probably just General under Honorable conditions, but I am sure he wouldn't want the people of the country to know that, now would he? Sounds like what he really SHOULD have gotten was a Bad Conduct Discharge.
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Wow..I knew he had done some stuff in the military, but not that bad. This needs to weigh on everyone's voting decision as to how we want our president to act. If he lied and was a traitor during his miliary career, imagine what he'll do as president.
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Yeah, but the media aren't going to tell anyone about it. So I guess we could help spread the word some, that is why I put it up on the forum.
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Yeah, but the media aren't going to tell anyone about it. So I guess we could help spread the word some, that is why I put it up on the forum.

KEEP THIS MOVING ACROSS AMERICA
This is for all the kids born in the 70's that do not remember this, and didn't have to bear the burden, that our fathers, mothers, and older brothers and sisters had to bear.
Jane Fonda is being honored as one of the "100 Women of the Century."
Unfortunately, many have forgotten and still countless others have never known how Ms. Fonda betrayed not only the idea of our country but specific men who served and sacrificed during Vietnam.
The first part of this is from an F-4E pilot.

The pilot's name is Jerry Driscoll, a River Rat.

In 1968, the former Commandant of the USAF Survival School was a POW in Ho Lo Prison-the "Hanoi Hilton."
Dragged from a stinking cesspit of a cell, cleaned, fed, and dressed in clean PJ's, he was ordered to describe for a visiting American "Peace Activist" the "lenient and humane treatment" he'd received.
He spat at Ms. Fonda, was clubbed, and was dragged away.
During the subsequent beating, he fell forward upon the camp Commandant's feet, which sent that officer berserk.



In '78, the AF Col. still suffered from double vision (which permanently ended his flying days) from the Vietnamese Col.'s frenzied application of a wooden baton.
From 1963-65, Col. Larry Carrigan was in the 47FW/DO (F-4E's). He spent 6 years in the "Hilton"- the first three of which he was "missing in action".
His wife lived on faith that he was still alive.
His group, too, got the cleaned, fed, clothed routine in preparation for a 'peace delegation" visit.
They, however, had time and devised a plan to get word to the world that they still survived.
Each man secreted a tiny piece of paper, with his SSN on it, in the palm of his hand.


When paraded before Ms. Fonda and a cameraman, she walked the line, shaking each man's hand and asking little encouraging snippets like: "Aren't you sorry you bombed babies?" and "Are you grateful for the humane treatment from your benevolent captors?"


Believing this HAD to be an act, they each palmed her their sliver of paper.
She took them all without missing a beat.
At the end of the line and once the camera stopped rolling, to the shocked disbelief of the POWs, she turned to the officer in charge and handed him the little pile of papers.

Three men died from the subsequent beatings.


Col. Carrigan was almost number four but he survived, which is the only reason we know about her actions that day.
I was a civilian economic development advisor in Vietnam, and was captured by the North Vietnamese communists in South Vietnam in 1968, and held for over 5 years.
I spent 27 months in solitary confinement, one year in a cage in Cambodia, and one year in a "black box" in Hanoi.



My North Vietnamese captors deliberately poisoned and murdered a female missionary, a nurse in a leprosarium in Ban me Thuot, South Vietnam, whom I buried in the jungle near the Cambodian border.
At one time, I was weighing approximately 90 lbs. (My normal weight is 170 lbs.)

We were Jane Fonda's "war criminals."
When Jane Fonda was in Hanoi, I was asked by the camp communist political officer if I would be willing to meet with Jane Fonda.
I said yes, for I would like to tell her about the real treatment we POWs received different from the treatment purported by the North Vietnamese, and parroted by Jane Fonda, as "humane and lenient."
Because of this, I spent three days on a rocky floor on my knees with outstretched arms with a large amount of steel placed on my hands, and beaten with a bamboo cane till my arms dipped.
I had the opportunity to meet with Jane Fonda for a couple of hours after I was released.
I asked her if she would be willing to debate me on TV.
She did not answer me.

This does not exemplify someone who should be honored as part of "100 Years of Great Women."
Lest we forget..." 100 years of great women" should never include a traitor whose hands are covered with the blood of so many patriots.
There are few things I have strong visceral reactions to, but Hanoi Jane's participation in blatant treason, is one of them.


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That witch should be drawn and quartered first and then what is left of her should be burned in a bon fire. Joseph R. Kilpatrick, Jr. fmr. Sgt E-4, 100% disabled Viet Nam Era Veteran, US Air Force Supply Material Facilities Specialist, Feb 70-April 73. Served at Langley AFB, VA, Rhein Main, Germany, Mildenhall, UK, Lakenheath, UK.
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on a side note... "VOTE THAT SON OF A BUSH OUT OF OFFICE"
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on a side note... "VOTE THAT SON OF A BUSH OUT OF OFFICE"
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, I like it
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AHHHHH, HAHAHAHA, so true.... so true

maybe if Kerry sucked off Janet Reno like Bush did
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AHHHHH, HAHAHAHA, so true.... so true

maybe if Kerry sucked off Janet Reno like Bush did
Wtf?
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AHHHHH, HAHAHAHA, so true.... so true

maybe if Kerry sucked off Janet Reno like Bush did
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hehehe, ok, I'm gonna pull a France and throw up my white flag.. before the fighting starts... no more fighting
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hehehe, ok, I'm gonna pull a France and throw up my white flag.. before the fighting starts... no more fighting
I still cant see how you are voting for Kerry but whatever. He has proven nothing whatsoever.
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If Kerry had done what is listed here and not been rich, he would have most likely have been court martialed, given a dishonorable discharge, and sent to Leavenworth, he would certainly NEVER have been able to have served in the Senate or any other public office. President of the US, who is anyone kidding here? LOLOLOLroflmao
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"not so retarded anymore"

Maybe you need to rethink that one, beaner.
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Oh, and for the record, Janet Reno worked for Clinton, never for Bush at all.
Maybe she and Bill Clinton or Al Gore had something going, but I doubt it, I always heard she was pure Bull Dyke.
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lol, she does look like a man... which is referenced by my sucking off comment.... and she's one of the people that I like to make fun of.. as she has no clue about some stuff... that Gonzolaz (spelling) kid was when I first heard of her.... and then yeah, the ''hanging chad'' incident maybe too
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Can someone show me Bush's military record for reference?
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Bush's record is out there, he signed the release of his confidential records, you can find them if you go search
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Chevy's are like tampons..... every pu$$y has one.... (see, the $ are for those with virgin eyes, that away, they don't realize that could be viewed as a ''grown up" word....)
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legislature votes, we dont vote

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Chevy's are like tampons..... every pu$$y has one.... (see, the $ are for those with virgin eyes, that away, they don't realize that could be viewed as a ''grown up" word....)
dont hate on chevy's SOME and very few are ok
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So do any Kerry supporters want to try and prove this article as being false? I think it brings up some very interesting points.
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its all bull****, i could make a false article about bush and send a mass email but im not a jackass
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its all bull****
really? please explain. i'd love to hear your supporting argument
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its all bull****, i could make a false article about bush and send a mass email but im not a jackass
Prove it

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its all bull****, i could make a false article about bush and send a mass email but im not a jackass
Jesus Have we not had enough False stuff about Bush already. I mean CBS Upper management and Dan Rather were in with Kerry's own Strategist to attack Bush with fake documents from a known person who said he would do anything to help Kerry beat Bush.

No the lies and deceit the Kerry crew and Michael Moore have spread about Bush's military record, ties to the Saudi Royal Family, wanting the draft are all desperate attempts to defeat Bush with lies because Kerry has no Plan. He has said nothing but " Go to my website and see my plan. Mr Kerry why dont you tell all the people, not just the ones with internet access, what your plan is.

No I think we seen and heard enough lies from the Kerry camp BY GOD
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Old 10-13-2004, 06:47 AM   #33
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He has said nothing but " Go to my website and see my plan. Mr Kerry why dont you tell all the people, not just the ones with internet access, what your plan is.
I think your confusing Kerry with Cheney. Who said look at our statistics on so so website when in fact the website wasnt even real.

As for that how can you believe anything thats sent to the masses. I believe that article is BS just like most of the things that has been posted (for both Bush and Kerry) and then later found out it was a hoax.

The internet is just one hard to believe place
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I think your confusing Kerry with Cheney. Who said look at our statistics on so so website when in fact the website wasnt even real.

As for that how can you believe anything thats sent to the masses. I believe that article is BS just like most of the things that has been posted (for both Bush and Kerry) and then later found out it was a hoax.

The internet is just one hard to believe place
After the CBS debacle the networks are just as hard to believe.
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cheney just mistook a .com for a .org website, the site he mentioned was actually sponsored by Soros (a huge liberal donator)

Kerry has repeatedly said that he has a plan and to refer to his website. But saying you have a plan does not mean that you actually have one. did you hear what he said when he was asked what his plan for Iraq was?

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I don't know what I will do when I become president because I don't know what the situation will be then.... But I have a plan


He has a plan but he doesn't know what he will do? If that isn't a contradiction (flip-flop) then I don't know what it is!
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