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Midnight 12-03-2012 12:09 PM

Tuners
 
Hi all, is there a site or literature (read Tuners for Dummies) where I could use to educate myself? I doubt I'll ever Drag, but I would like to learn and maybe going somewhere where I could run without worrying about speed limits. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The resource page on AM site is kind of limited.

11 GT put away for Winter, but I'm stocking mod parts for next spring. Thanks!

ViperTran 12-07-2012 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight
Hi all, is there a site or literature (read Tuners for Dummies) where I could use to educate myself? I doubt I'll ever Drag, but I would like to learn and maybe going somewhere where I could run without worrying about speed limits. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The resource page on AM site is kind of limited.

11 GT put away for Winter, but I'm stocking mod parts for next spring. Thanks!

Good question

Charlie_santos 12-07-2012 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 1402519)
Hi all, is there a site or literature (read Tuners for Dummies) where I could use to educate myself? I doubt I'll ever Drag, but I would like to learn and maybe going somewhere where I could run without worrying about speed limits. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The resource page on AM site is kind of limited.

11 GT put away for Winter, but I'm stocking mod parts for next spring. Thanks!

What questions you got man ill help you out!

GrabberBlue5.0 12-07-2012 08:55 PM

What kind if info are you looking for? Basic info or information on specific tuners?

Midnight 12-08-2012 11:33 AM

To begin basic theory, also mainly fuel efficiency, with ability to switch to closed road track (if there's such an animal?). Maybe in the future try the car at the strip?

2011 GT premium. Moroso oil separator installed. Once I "dewinterize" it I plan on adding the following:
Roush CAI, Roush axle back exhaust, Ford Racing handling pack, Wilwood Superlite front & rear brake upgrade kits, Forgestar Gunmetal CF10 19x9, 10 wheels and BF Goodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2. Engine mods will more than likely have to wait one more year since I don't want to push my luck with the wife :-)

nosympathy 12-08-2012 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 1409415)
To begin basic theory, also mainly fuel efficiency, with ability to switch to closed road track (if there's such an animal?). Maybe in the future try the car at the strip?

2011 GT premium. Moroso oil separator installed. Once I "dewinterize" it I plan on adding the following:
Roush CAI, Roush axle back exhaust, Ford Racing handling pack, Wilwood Superlite front & rear brake upgrade kits, Forgestar Gunmetal CF10 19x9, 10 wheels and BF Goodrich g-Force Sport COMP-2. Engine mods will more than likely have to wait one more year since I don't want to push my luck with the wife :-)

A strong recommendation, is to buy the Steeda CAI over the roush. I currently have the Roush and regret it everyday. I purchased it before a tuner, which is why I purchased it, but I would have been happier with the Steeda. I will sell the roush and get the steeda at some point, that is just elsewhere on my list.

Midnight 12-08-2012 12:17 PM

Good point, I haven't touched the CAI yet, I'll look into returning it and see how that goes. Nosympathy, do I detect you're leaning towards both Steeda CAI & Tuner?

nosympathy 12-08-2012 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 1409441)
Good point, I haven't touched the CAI yet, I'll look into returning it and see how that goes. Nosympathy, do I detect you're leaning towards both Steeda CAI & Tuner?

Yeah if you can switch do it.

I actually have a American Muscle/Bama tune and I am extremely happy with them. Free tunes for life, I get my tunes really quickly, They have Street, Performance, Race, Hybrid, and Cam tunes available. Cams requires an O/R X tho. Hybrid is my favorite by far.

I love the fact that since getting the tuner exactly a year ago, I have had 5-6 separate changes requiring new tunes, along with asking for the Cam, and Hybrid tune, and never a complaint on their end.

I cannot speak for Steeda as I have not tried their tunes. I know we have some folks on here with them, and a ton of people with the AM/BAMA tunes.

Midnight 12-08-2012 03:18 PM

I've seen nothing but good reviews on AM about tuners with Bama Performance tunes. From what I've read, it sounds like I'd be happy with an Airaid CAI. I just jumped the gun with the ROUSH CAI a/c the price was right and the description stated no tune required. I'll do more research here and on other forum sites. Who knows better than the people using the parts? Where I used to work, our mantra was to get the operators involved from the get-go when engineering came up with possible improvements to the process. It served us well. You'd be surprised how many screw-ups and delays we avoided by listening to the guys on the floor!

GrabberBlue5.0 12-08-2012 04:39 PM

Most tunes will get you about 1-2 mpg gain, depending on your driving style. Also many have been able to figure out ways to get you a good low end street performer for cruising and also screams at the top. Not many people change tunes on a n/a car unless they want to change the octane they're able to run

Charlie_santos 12-08-2012 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by GrabberBlue5.0 (Post 1409613)
Most tunes will get you about 1-2 mpg gain, depending on your driving style. Also many have been able to figure out ways to get you a good low end street performer for cruising and also screams at the top. Not many people change tunes on a n/a car unless they want to change the octane they're able to run

I gained mpg but I'm pretty sure it's cuz I have a full exhaust so my car breathes better and my CAI helps too!

Midnight 12-08-2012 05:20 PM

Do I understand that unless I get forced induction, I don't really need tuner? When I started looking for a toy, my thinking was to get a nice stock 11 mustang GT and drive it late April-late October. With the thought that some day it would be worth something since it was the first year for the Coyote engine (intending to save the stock parts I took off). Now that mod fever is in full swing, I may just go for forced induction but not until the '14 season. That gives me time to do the research I think I need.

Not to open another can of worms, anybody have any thoughts either way on Watts Links? Would it be overkill for a street Pony? Fays2 seem very well priced. The Whiteline seems reasonable, but if I'm gonna replace the diff cover, I might as well upgrade gears and bearings. My GT has 3.50 something gears.

nosympathy 12-08-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 1409655)
Do I understand that unless I get forced induction, I don't really need tuner? When I started looking for a toy, my thinking was to get a nice stock 11 mustang GT and drive it late April-late October. With the thought that some day it would be worth something since it was the first year for the Coyote engine (intending to save the stock parts I took off). Now that mod fever is in full swing, I may just go for forced induction but not until the '14 season. That gives me time to do the research I think I need.

Not to open another can of worms, anybody have any thoughts either way on Watts Links? Would it be overkill for a street Pony? Fays2 seem very well priced. The Whiteline seems reasonable, but if I'm gonna replace the diff cover, I might as well upgrade gears and bearings. My GT has 3.50 something gears.

You would need a tuner based on what you run. Certain CAI require a tune, changing gears requires a tune, removing cats requires a tune to not throw error codes.

All depends on what you are doing.

Midnight 12-08-2012 06:00 PM

So I guess I'd be ahead if I had a tuner before I did any major mods to the engine/powertrain?

nosympathy 12-08-2012 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 1409685)
So I guess I'd be ahead if I had a tuner before I did any major mods to the engine/powertrain?

Well that and the parts you can pick up expands. Also the car from just a tune really comes awake and drives like a whole new car.

Charlie_santos 12-08-2012 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 1409685)
So I guess I'd be ahead if I had a tuner before I did any major mods to the engine/powertrain?

Yessir that way when you order parts at the same time u can order a new tune

Midnight 12-08-2012 06:36 PM

OK I think I'm starting to get the idea. Prior to owning this car, I had no idea there was a whole new world unknown to me. The two cars I had before this one that you could call more or less performance were before computers and environmental controls. Wow! I'm old!

Thanks for your input fellas! Can't wait for Spring! If you don't hear from me again, my wife sent me to sleep with the fishes in Lake Michigan :-)

Midnight 12-10-2012 06:03 PM

OK! Returned the ROUSH CAI and ordered the Airaid with the Venturi so when the times comes, the Venturi will be history and install a tune. Sound like a plan?

AMWill 12-12-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Midnight (Post 1412144)
OK! Returned the ROUSH CAI and ordered the Airaid with the Venturi so when the times comes, the Venturi will be history and install a tune. Sound like a plan?


Midnight,

Sounds like you're on track to me! I would push for the custom tune asap because that's where you're going to notice the biggest change in your Mustangs behavior. Aside from increased MPG, you'll experience a more aggressive throttle response and more power throughout your powerband. A Bama SF3 tuner is by far my favorite first mod for any OBDII Mustang, IMO. I'm sure you'll feel the same once that day comes!

If you have any more questions about products on the AM site, like tuners - free to shoot me a PM. I would be happy to help clarify things for you!

Shane

13BLKCYOT 12-12-2012 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nosympathy (Post 1409498)

Yeah if you can switch do it.

I actually have a American Muscle/Bama tune and I am extremely happy with them. Free tunes for life, I get my tunes really quickly, They have Street, Performance, Race, Hybrid, and Cam tunes available. Cams requires an O/R X tho. Hybrid is my favorite by far.

I love the fact that since getting the tuner exactly a year ago, I have had 5-6 separate changes requiring new tunes, along with asking for the Cam, and Hybrid tune, and never a complaint on their end.

I cannot speak for Steeda as I have not tried their tunes. I know we have some folks on here with them, and a ton of people with the AM/BAMA tunes.

Am I the only one on here calling BS on the whole "hybrid" tune? My car makes crazy power at low rpm as well as high. I've heard from a couple competetive shops/drivers that the "hybrid" tune is just a huge marketing scam. I would have to see some hardcore 1/4 times that show otherwise before Id believe it...theres only so much you can gain from a tune. Just my opinion, not shi**ing on anyones tune or car just sayin...

Grabber Blue5.0 12-12-2012 03:49 PM

Street, Race, 91, 93, Hybrid, you name it. Bama has a fancy name for a lot of things LOL. And yes it's a marketing ploy. Just like the tunes for life. Most of the reputable tuners will give free revisions. I've had several revisions from VMP and not once did he charge me any extra.

13BLKCYOT 12-12-2012 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Grabber Blue5.0 (Post 1415044)
Street, Race, 91, 93, Hybrid, you name it. Bama has a fancy name for a lot of things LOL. And yes it's a marketing ploy. Just like the tunes for life. Most of the reputable tuners will give free revisions. I've had several revisions from VMP and not once did he charge me any extra.

Most tuners just make a throttle response adj on the street tunes to make it not as snappy, other than that Id say there isnt much difference. Its probably amazing how many ppl read "hybrid" or something different and jump on the bandwagon lol

nosympathy 12-12-2012 04:10 PM

Well...maybe my dyno numbers say something?

I could be wrong but I am pretty sure similar setup cars with similar HP but running the Bama Race tune don't put down nearly as much torque. Close but not the same.

411HP 393 Torque.

I think others I have seen torque was in the low 370s with similar setup.

What I should have done was had them dyno it again with the race tune. I just wasn't about to drop another $50 for that.

Midnight 12-12-2012 04:10 PM

Thanks for the input fellas. I'm reading all I can find on tuning. And there is a lot I can learn here. I don't know if I'll get to the tuner this coming season, but I definitely see a tuner in the horizon. Instinct tells me to start with suspension, brakes and wheels and tires as quickly as I can when I unwrap the car in the spring. I got a Roush axle back on hand and I'm expecting an Airaid CAI tomorrow. As soon as I change oil and coolant those will be installed.

Grabber Blue5.0 12-12-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by nosympathy (Post 1415057)
Well...maybe my dyno numbers say something?

I could be wrong but I am pretty sure similar setup cars with similar HP but running the Bama Race tune don't put down nearly as much torque. Close but not the same.

411HP 393 Torque.

I think others I have seen torque was in the low 370s with similar setup.

What I should have done was had them dyno it again with the race tune. I just wasn't about to drop another $50 for that.

Dyno numbers are meaningless. Too many variables with dynos. Post up some before and after track times.

Charlie_santos 12-12-2012 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Grabber Blue5.0 (Post 1415071)
Dyno numbers are meaningless. Too many variables with dynos. Post up some before and after track times.

Lol there is just as much variables in track times too so basically no one knows hahaha

poloka 12-12-2012 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nosympathy (Post 1409424)

A strong recommendation, is to buy the Steeda CAI over the roush. I currently have the Roush and regret it everyday. I purchased it before a tuner, which is why I purchased it, but I would have been happier with the Steeda. I will sell the roush and get the steeda at some point, that is just elsewhere on my list.

Roush's open CAI is a big improvement over their closed box design.


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