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Bryanw92 02-06-2014 03:10 PM

For road racing or autocross: do suspension mods make much of a difference?
 
I know they make a difference, but is the difference significant enough to be worth the money?

Does anyone have any lap times to post before and after a suspension upgrade?

I'm looking at something like the Ford Racing kit with shocks, springs, sway bars.

straybullitt 02-06-2014 05:05 PM

Yes! Suspension mods make a tremendous difference.
The tires are where the big gains are made though...;)

Mile high JDF 02-06-2014 06:16 PM

+1^ I don't have lap times unfortunately, but a spring upgrade on my car helped reduce nose dive and made it a but tighter in the turns. Then I swapped to an IRS and set my alignment specs to give me a bit more toe out and that helped greatly with turn in and steering response in a turn. I haven't made a trip out since my latest batch of upgrades though

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Bryanw92 02-06-2014 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by straybullitt (Post 1942484)
Yes! Suspension mods make a tremendous difference.
The tires are where the big gains are made though...;)

This is also my daily driver, so putting track tires on the car is not practical. But, "tremendous difference" is what I was hoping for!! :thumb:

Mile high JDF 02-06-2014 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryanw92 (Post 1942612)
This is also my daily driver, so putting track tires on the car is not practical. But, "tremendous difference" is what I was hoping for!! :thumb:

Summer tires make a pretty big difference compared to running the stock all seasons. I have to push it pretty hard to make money break loose

tj@steeda 02-06-2014 08:26 PM

You can see the before and after in this video:

MM&FF at the Test Track with a 5.0 « Steeda Blog

Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords' Steeda Suspension Install And - YouTube

Let me know if I can get into a similar package?

Best Regards,

TJ

Bryanw92 02-07-2014 11:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tj@steeda (Post 1942677)
You can see the before and after in this video:

MM&FF at the Test Track with a 5.0 « Steeda Blog

Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords' Steeda Suspension Install And - YouTube

Let me know if I can get into a similar package?

Best Regards,

TJ

That's the kind of package I'm looking for. (And I wish I could get on to the Gainesville Raceway road course. LOL)

tj@steeda 02-07-2014 02:50 PM

Send me an email at tim@steeda.com if you would like to discuss packages.

Also, your kind of close to Valdosta, so if you are interested ... Mark Your Calendar – 2014 Pony Wars! « Steeda Blog

Best Regards,

TJ

Static_LV 02-14-2014 06:12 PM

As stated, the tires are going to make the biggest difference. Simply swapping from the all weather to summer series will be a huge change. The biggest handling issue that I had with the stock mustang GT suspension was with body roll, dive, and the horrible tendency to understeer.
This can largely be fixed with a good set of shocks. I swapped Koni Yellows into mine, took it out to an improvised skid pad and dialed it in on the new tires. Makes a WORLD of difference.
I was envisioning having to change the front or rear sway bar but I am holding off for now.
The overall characteristics are very well balanced now and I am leaving it alone.

For the record, these changes can be made while remaining in F-Stock SCCA class.

-Static

Bryanw92 02-14-2014 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Static_LV (Post 1948527)
As stated, the tires are going to make the biggest difference. Simply swapping from the all weather to summer series will be a huge change. The biggest handling issue that I had with the stock mustang GT suspension was with body roll, dive, and the horrible tendency to understeer.
This can largely be fixed with a good set of shocks. I swapped Koni Yellows into mine, took it out to an improvised skid pad and dialed it in on the new tires. Makes a WORLD of difference.
I was envisioning having to change the front or rear sway bar but I am holding off for now.
The overall characteristics are very well balanced now and I am leaving it alone.

For the record, these changes can be made while remaining in F-Stock SCCA class.

-Static

I'm trying to keep the car daily-driverable, so I'm avoiding summer tires. But, the body roll, dive, and understeer is really annoying since my last car was a Genesis Coupe so I got spoiled by the incredible handling.

So you changed the shocks but kept the stock springs?

Soccerluvr4 02-14-2014 06:31 PM

What year and model is your car? That will help figure out what is best for your car.

Static_LV 02-14-2014 06:31 PM

That is correct.

The stock spring rates are actually not bad. The problem is that the stock shocks are way too soft. Great for road trips and that Cadillac feel, not so great for autocross or road racing type applications. The Koni Yellows on the softest setting are much more positive and help a TON.
I run them like that for daily driving and they are just fine. At the track I have settings that are a lot harder. It is possible to go too hard though and the spring will not be able to return to its neutral position fast enough if you tighten these down too much. The trick is finding that line or going to different rate springs.

-Static

Bryanw92 02-14-2014 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Soccerluvr4 (Post 1948543)
What year and model is your car? That will help figure out what is best for your car.

It's a 2014 GT.

robb15033 02-14-2014 06:56 PM

Maximum Motorsports answers emails and the phone. Contact them with any questions.
LINK:
Suspension
If on a "budget", although all suspension set-ups are very expensive.
For me- I want a superb handling car for safety and spirited driving. Basically, I just lowered the cars I have. I believe that I have done it the right way. I have a SN95, a '97 coupe & a '96 Cobra.
I just lowered them both, thats all. Parts list:
springs, shocks/struts, caster camber plates, X2 balljoints, bumpsteer kit.
Thats the most simple suspension upgrade to do but the results are unbelievable.
Good Luck! Enjoy.

straybullitt 02-14-2014 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryanw92 (Post 1948530)
I'm trying to keep the car daily-driverable, so I'm avoiding summer tires. But, the body roll, dive, and understeer is really annoying since my last car was a Genesis Coupe so I got spoiled by the incredible handling.

So you changed the shocks but kept the stock springs?

I don't know where you live, but in most places, summer tires DO NOT deter from the driveability of the car at all, in fact, they enhance it.
Sure they may be a little noisy and wear out faster than you're used to, BUT, the tires are everything.
Shocks are important as well, although, I've seen some smokin' fast Coyote powered cars in F-stock, that were all stock except for 200 treadwear summer tires! Those cars, well driven, are routinely faster than the modified New Edges that dominate ESP. Hell, I've seen Coyotes in F-stock that were faster than Coyotes in ESP!!! :lol:
You'll get used to the Mustang handling... you just have to keep the front end down . :thumb:

Bryanw92 02-14-2014 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by straybullitt (Post 1948600)
and wear out faster than you're used to

I've had summer tires before. I'd rather spend my money on durable mods first.

Soccerluvr4 02-15-2014 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by straybullitt (Post 1948600)
I don't know where you live, but in most places, summer tires DO NOT deter from the driveability of the car at all, in fact, they enhance it.
Sure they may be a little noisy and wear out faster than you're used to, BUT, the tires are everything.
Shocks are important as well, although, I've seen some smokin' fast Coyote powered cars in F-stock, that were all stock except for 200 treadwear summer tires! Those cars, well driven, are routinely faster than the modified New Edges that dominate ESP. Hell, I've seen Coyotes in F-stock that were faster than Coyotes in ESP!!! :lol:
You'll get used to the Mustang handling... you just have to keep the front end down . :thumb:

I drove my summer tires in god awful rain and they did amazing.

Soccerluvr4 02-15-2014 01:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bryanw92 (Post 1948555)
It's a 2014 GT.

1. Springs/shocks/struts
2. Watts Link
3. Torque Arm
4. Rear Lower control arms
5. Brakes upgrade

Your car will feel completely different with those items.

robb15033 02-17-2014 12:09 AM

ROUSH engineered A/S tires I have are the best all around tires I've had yet. Good for the track, rain, snow-
Cooper RS Zeon-Cooper Tire & Rubber Company - Cooper Zeon RS3-A™

Arustik 02-17-2014 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by robb15033 (Post 1948569)
Maximum Motorsports answers emails and the phone. Contact them with any questions.
LINK:
Suspension
If on a "budget", although all suspension set-ups are very expensive.
For me- I want a superb handling car for safety and spirited driving. Basically, I just lowered the cars I have. I believe that I have done it the right way. I have a SN95, a '97 coupe & a '96 Cobra.
I just lowered them both, thats all. Parts list:
springs, shocks/struts, caster camber plates, X2 balljoints, bumpsteer kit.
Thats the most simple suspension upgrade to do but the results are unbelievable.
Good Luck! Enjoy.

+1 this is a great choice


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