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04-24-2005, 06:33 PM
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Turbo on a V6 ?'s
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Join Date: Feb 2005
City: Newark
State: Delaware
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people tell me bout turbos and superchargers and tell me to get a turbo. so i am. but where is a good place to buy online for a turbo? |
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04-24-2005, 06:37 PM
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postarama
Join Date: Aug 2003
City: Southaven
State: Mississippi
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Hm...dunno. One thing you should know about the turbos, there's alot more fab work unless you buy a premade kit. They're better in some aspects...but just more work overall.
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04-24-2005, 07:13 PM
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McLovin?
Join Date: Jun 2004
City: Atlanta/Chattanooga
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04-24-2005, 07:16 PM
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I liek gramer
Join Date: Jan 2004
City: Birmingham
State: Alabama
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TuxMaskAndy is the guy to talk to, Kyle linked you.
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04-24-2005, 08:47 PM
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Banned
Join Date: Jun 2003
City: Severn, MD
State: Maryland
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turbos arnt like a supercharger, where you can buy a kit, and it goes on seemlessly, turbos require much more tuning, and have many more variables |
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04-26-2005, 05:32 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Feb 2005
City: Orlando
State: Florida
Posts: 59
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What about price. This is definetely something I am interested in but the link to the customer vehicles and prices doesn't work. Plus what about reliablility. My car is a daily driver, does anybody know how reliable a turbo set up on a v6 is. I can't imagine there are that many people out there that have this done. |
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04-26-2005, 05:38 PM
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I liek gramer
Join Date: Jan 2004
City: Birmingham
State: Alabama
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I don't know from experience, but I have always heard if you want a turbo, just get ready to break stuff. My friends got a turbo 240 and his shit is breakin all the time it seems like.
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04-26-2005, 05:59 PM
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Sometimes I feel Like a Nut!
Join Date: Jul 2003
State: Connecticut
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Id have to reccomend you talked to Justin over at V6P/velocityperformance.com
He did a nice TT V6 and he made everything himself. From the piping and new headers.
I guess Tux has a kit himself you can talk too and just think I remember a guy over at 3.8 who had a company use his 6-er to put on a turbo kit and well lets just say it went BOOM and now owns a crapmaro
As for pricing look to spending a real good penny upwards of 4Gs and def def be prepared to break shit.
Id reccomend getting nitrous less strain and its there when you need it well till the bottle is empty 
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04-26-2005, 07:33 PM
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You want to **** me?
Join Date: Jun 2003
City: Kansas City
State: Missouri
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superchargers = cheaper and more reliable
turbos = big $$$$, needs a good tune, but defanitely better gains.
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04-26-2005, 07:53 PM
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Not so green anymore
Join Date: May 2003
City: Canonsburg, PA; Aberdeen, MD
State: Pennsylvania
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can someone expand on what "stuff" tends to break
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04-27-2005, 05:49 AM
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Sometimes I feel Like a Nut!
Join Date: Jul 2003
State: Connecticut
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anything and everything. Theres no specifics just be prepared. Theres usually something that goes wrong. Whether its fuel related or what it happens. I got buddies with turbo-ed 5.0s and they right now are out of commsion due to some fuel related items on one and the other threw a rod.
Not saying that sgonna happen to you but just to show anything and everything can and or could break.
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04-27-2005, 02:15 PM
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I liek gramer
Join Date: Jan 2004
City: Birmingham
State: Alabama
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my friend w/ a turbo 240 has a blown headgasket. But that was his fault I'm pretty sure. He got a new boost controller, and has "no idea" how many psi he was runnin.
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04-30-2005, 04:21 PM
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Join Date: Apr 2005
City: Montreal
State: Canada
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I am by no means an expert in the field but I have been researching turno's and shuperchargers a lot since I am considering getting one next year. First off this thing about breaking stuff is only true if you are an idiot. If you run safe boost levels and upgrade your fuel system you will be fine. But if you are trying to run 20psi using stock fuel injectors and pump then KABOOM! Same goes for superchargers. Its just a bigger deal to change boost on the supercharger out of the two. If you are going to turbo then you are looking at around 4k with all the upgrades and such. This is a fairly optimistic price and doesn't include a good tune. The key to turboing your stang is going to be tuning it, so you have to find a good place to get a dyno tune. No tune = no workie! Superchargers are cheaper to buy, easier to install and easier to come by. You will be able to find used supercharger kits all the time. Just don't buy from somoene that isn't reputable and always have it checked out by someone that knows their stuff before you put it in. Overall you will be able to get more power out of the turbo however that will require forged internals. To run safe amounts of boost without too much hassle get a supercharger and save yourself the cash. This holds true for daily drivers. Get a supercharger, it's easier, will require less engine work and provides safe levels of boost for daily driven cars. If you want a race car go with the turbo but be prepared to invest some serious coin. |
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05-05-2005, 10:53 PM
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Join Date: Mar 2005
State: California
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id go with a blower, you dont have to replace them like you do a turbo. it would be cheaper. |
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05-08-2005, 01:45 PM
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Supercharger vs. Turbocharger
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Geek Extrodinaire
Join Date: May 2005
City: Denver
State: Colorado
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There's actually pro's and con's to both setups, what you acually need to determine is 1) what kind of gains you're wanting 2) what kind of upgrading you want to do later and 3) how much money you want to dump into the project  .
-Superchager-
Pro's:
-Easy to locate pre-fabricated kits
-Initial kits cost around $1500 for a used ProCharger (cheaper if you're really looking around), or around $3,496 to $3,946 for a new kit directly from ProCharger (forgot exactly what Vortec was running at, but similar)
-can be installed with-in a weekend with basic tools
Con's:
-Need to upgrade exhaust to get maximum effectiveness
-Upgrade of pullies to get more PSI costs are high (only one on ebay as of posting is about $50 and isn't for the 3 rib on the V6)
-belt slippage is common on the V6 version due to the 3 rib belt system
-Turbocharger-
Pro's:
-easy boost regulation, cheap upgrades (simple spring on BOV) or manual/electric boost controller with more boost at the same cost as a pully
-includes exhaust work
-cheap centerfuges (used t3/t4's running around $300 rebuilt)
Con's:
-kits are usually custom made, not usually found used and thusly cheaper
-more welding usually needed (though some kits don't require it)
And I've probably missed both the good and the bad, but these are the biggies that I can think of the top of my head.
All-in-all, it's really what you feel is best for your vehicle. I personally plan to do a similar setup to Justin with the twin turbos, though I'm not going to be as ballsy and run 17 PSI on a stock block (though the 450 hp/475trq is mouth watering!)
Also, I havn't come across more failures on a turbo system than I have from a supercharged system, as long as you use common sense and take the necessary precautions, there should be no bigger strain on the engine from one setup over the other.
One a side note: There's also the arguments of superchargers being parasitic and turbochargers arn't, but afarid that this isn't entirely true. Turbo's still need the pushing power of the pistons to drive the exhaust through the turbine, however there is less of a notice because of the still expanding hot gasses helping the turbine to spin and utilizes the unused energy in the gases, but it's still present , afterall claiming that you can get gains with no use of power is physically impossible (for those inclined, the 2nd law of thermodynamics or a college level Calculus Physics book is a good place to start )
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05-08-2005, 06:10 PM
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05-08-2005, 09:48 PM
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Banned
Join Date: Jun 2003
City: Severn, MD
State: Maryland
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the thing with breaking stuff...its not a direct correlation with "forced induction=breaking stuff"
generally, you can gain massive amounts of power, for example, in N/A form, a 2.3L has what, 100hp, and with a turbo on it, it puts down 190hp, a 90hp gain isnt something small
now, take 90-100 horsepower add it to something thats built to handle 200hp or so, bumps it to say 300hp, you start finding the weak links in your drivetrain, many times, itll be u-joints, bushings, small stuff, but as you fix the small stuff, there isnt any give for the bigger things, and the bigger items break, and they will keep breaking untill you find a good combination of parts for your power level
this could be in anything, the engine assembly, the rear end, suspension, your underpants, even the body |
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06-02-2005, 12:38 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: May 2005
City: Evansville
State: Indiana
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Alright there are plenty of guys now with turbos on their 3.8s. Tuxmaskandy has made plenty of kits for people with nothing broken so far. You can easily have a complete new turbo kit (turbo, piping, intercooler, bov, wastegate, etc) for $3,500 (same as a new procharger). For the most part with a Turbo you will have a better powerband than a supercharger and you will make more power per psi than a supercharger.
Things you should not skip on would be a good dyno tune for the car after you install the kit and if you want to stay with the 7.5" rear than pick up a good set of rear LCAs (hard launches + wheel hop = broken rear... this will hapeen with a supercharger as well mind you).
Just to give you an idea of power. Andy just made a kit for Sai over on 3.8mustang.com. He's making 297 rwhp and 322 rwtq at 7.2 psi of boost. Here is the thread if you want more info http://www.3.8mustang.com/forum/showthread.php?t=119084
You won't make that kind of power with a supercharger at 7 psi. |
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06-02-2005, 07:28 AM
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Ero-Sennin
Join Date: Jul 2003
City: Murfreesboro
State: Tennessee
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yes, definitely talk to andy. he knows his stuff
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06-02-2005, 09:56 AM
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taking a break
Join Date: May 2004
City: Iowa City, IA
State: Iowa
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but damn... $3500 is a decent amount of cash... | | |
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