05-06-2005, 10:50 AM
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Stock 03/04 Cobra vs Stock LS1
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Ok, my Who's Next thread has made me start pondering. A few have made claims that the 03/04 cobra in that picture would lose to all, or some, of the F-Bodies shown. This poll is to find out what everyone thinks why people think that.
Assuming both cars are bone stock, who wins? We can't take into account mods, because we don't know any mods on any of those cars. Obviously, I am sure some are modded in some manner, but, I am sure the cobra is modded as well and pushing close to 475-500 at the wheels. So, let's leave mods out.
Anyone have any thoughts here?
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05-06-2005, 10:52 AM
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cobra hands down would win stock to stock I dont think theirs any arguement about it. the LS1 isnt all that mighty and powerful...till you mod it 
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05-06-2005, 11:58 AM
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thats tough, because ive seen a 12.82 out of a bone stock 2002 WS6 with a 6-speed, even had a paper element filter in the airbox still, with an awesome driver
around here, 03 cobras dont stay stock long, guys are quick to throw a cold air, catback, and a pulley on the things, so i have no personal experience with seeing the 03/04 cobras stock |
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05-06-2005, 12:24 PM
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WTF^^...
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Ill take the cobra... stock for stock not to far off but the cobra is fAR cheaper to mod and you get MUCH MUCH more hp/tq out of it with just littel bolt ons.
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05-06-2005, 03:18 PM
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i say drivers race.
both cars are capible of doing low low 13's in stock form. the cobra has alot of low-mid power, but the ls1 pulls hard in the uppers.
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05-06-2005, 04:43 PM
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05-06-2005, 05:02 PM
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I would guess the Cobra, but I don't really know. I've got an almost stock '02 LS1 if anybody's got a stock Cobra in North Alabama.
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05-06-2005, 05:26 PM
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Stock for stock The 03-04 Cobra has the advantage. However a simple spray on the LS1 and the LS1 is a winner. I will have to argue the Chevy 350 no matter how dated it is is by far the better engine than a 4.6 or the 5.0 period. Chevy may make some crappy cars but their engines and tranny's rule. now the 5.8 351 is close but the chevy has it beat simply because of shear numbers and the availability of cheap parts. Ford had to many variants of the engine. The only differences in Chevy small blocks was the adaption of larger main journals in 1970 other than the everything is interchangable. Ford has not ever been able to do that
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05-06-2005, 07:04 PM
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i think the 03/04 cobra edges it out for a few reasons (keep in mind stock vs stock)
more hp
more tq
both 6-speeds w/ similar gearing
very close in weight
i have seen a damn good cobra driver run 12.6x at the local dragstip on a good night. the fastest stock f-body i have seen at the track ran a 13.0.
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05-06-2005, 09:54 PM
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argue all you like, because the LS1 isnt the common smallblock
the LS1 is its own engine, not based off of anything other than the LS1, in the f-bodies, its all aluminum, 4 bolt mains (i heard 6 bolt at one time, but im not sure), amazingly reinforced, the heads flow like hell out of the box, with some ported, polish, chamber work, and some other odds and ends, the car will scream
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05-06-2005, 10:55 PM
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Man that would be a good race but i still say the 03/04 cobra would not smoke but it would more than edge out a stock ls1. If u would want to see a really close race how bout an 03/04 cobra go up against the new 05 400hp gto. the older gtos were pigs and nothing special btu they say these new gtos will haul it. I think a ls1 up against a 03/04 mach1 would be a very interesting race more than it wuld be if the ls1 went up against the cobra
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05-07-2005, 01:17 AM
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I liek gramer
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Corey, I'm surprised to see you make a statement like that.
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05-07-2005, 02:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Tbird232ci
argue all you like, because the LS1 isnt the common smallblock
the LS1 is its own engine, not based off of anything other than the LS1, in the f-bodies, its all aluminum, 4 bolt mains (i heard 6 bolt at one time, but im not sure), amazingly reinforced, the heads flow like hell out of the box, with some ported, polish, chamber work, and some other odds and ends, the car will scream
the LS1 is an amazing engine
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Well I am not wrong I can take the whole rotating assembly out of the engine and stick it in any any of the 350's. Sure the heads and intakes have changed but internally they have not. But I can mount new heads on the older engines or the other way around. The fact is aluminum 350's have been available thru Chevy Power as well as aluminum 427's.
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05-07-2005, 02:38 AM
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Taking life one day at a time
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Why!!!! I built Camaros for 15 years all 350's. In 1994 I saw the new Mustang bodies and that was the first time I liked the stang over the Camaro. My cousin was a stang guy and was always spend more money than me and never could beat my cars MUHAHAHAHHAHA.
But times change and the Stang became a better built, better looking car!!!!
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05-07-2005, 08:02 AM
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i dont know much about 350s, so maybe i am wrong, but parts for 5.0s are pretty damn cheap too. and you can bolt pretty much anything from a 1968 302 onto a 1995 302 and vice versa.
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Last edited by fast64; 05-07-2005 at 08:04 AM.
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05-07-2005, 09:09 AM
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Corey, im not gonna call bullshit on you, because im not sure, im gonna do some homework, and ask my buddy about the roatating assembly swap, as far as i know, it cant be done, but im not sure |
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05-07-2005, 10:07 AM
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Consumer of Beers
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The only thing that the LS1's and the older SBC's (LT1 all the way back) is the number of cylinders.
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05-07-2005, 10:11 AM
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Taking life one day at a time
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The fact is all the small block engines from the 283, 302,305,307,327 and 350 are all interchangable except for the changes in the Journals in 1970. If the LS1 has something making it different other than upper assembly I would be suprised. It is still the same push rod block.
As for calling BS go ahead, but I have built more Chevy small block engines than you, Nick, Brent, Jimmy and Zim ages combined. My limits of knowledge of the last couple of years on the small block is mostly Ignition, Fuel injection and intakes. I am sure the accessories attachment points might have changed some also.
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05-07-2005, 10:18 AM
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Consumer of Beers
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Hot Rod magazine
This is where the 41-year-old Mouse motor and the new LS1 split genes. The new small-block shares nothing more than the same 4.40-inch bore spacing when it comes to the engines design. Frankly, except for the hydraulic-roller lifters and rod bear | | | |
