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05-23-2005, 09:50 PM
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chip vs programmer
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milf hunter
Join Date: Apr 2005
City: Baton Rouge
State: Louisiana
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i had my sights set on a chip but after talking with spector v over aim i am kinda leaning towards a programmer instead. i am getting from an sct certified mechanic and they are both gonna cost 400. so its not like i gotta spend more on another.
so its a toss up. 4 program chip or a programmer. which one would you choose.
please list the pros/cons of each one, the advantages and disadvantages. all help is appreciated. 
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05-23-2005, 10:30 PM
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Cammed Baby!
Join Date: May 2003
City: Chicago 'Burbs
State: Illinois
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Started with a chip & now have a programmer.
Are you looking at the xcalibrator or xcalibrator-2. the second is awesome, includes a code reader & data logger.
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05-24-2005, 08:01 AM
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milf hunter
Join Date: Apr 2005
City: Baton Rouge
State: Louisiana
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well, the chip is an sct chip. i dont know about the programmer. does sct make a programmer? if so, that'll probably be it.
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05-24-2005, 08:11 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2003
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SCT makes the x-calibrator V1 and V2 flasher aka programmer. Both the SCT chip and SCT flasher hold the same programming, they are just different ways of getting it onto the car. The flasher reprograms the stock computer through the OBD2 port, the chip plugs into the J3 port.
The chip hardware costs a lot less, so I'm suprised hes charing just as much for both, even when you figure install costs.
The flasher is easier to use, and can be updated via email, but the initial cost is higher (at least when going by retail pricing).
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Justin Starkey
VMP Tuning - SCT Custom tuning, Mobile Dynojet 224xLC, SCT's #2 custom tuning dealer for 2006, Phone: 321-206-9369 Email: Justin@VMPTuning.com
2000 Mustang 3.8 A4 TT 450RWHP/475RWTQ 10.996@127 17psi stock 3.8
2006 F250 CC 4x4 6.0L 14.3 @ 93
2006 Mustang 4.0 M5 Vortech 13psi 350RWHP/346RWTQ wife's car
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05-24-2005, 08:23 AM
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milf hunter
Join Date: Apr 2005
City: Baton Rouge
State: Louisiana
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well, the guy told me the chip would be 400 after everything (including install) and the programmer would be 400 (theres really no install on a programmer since it just plugs in and reprograms, right?).
so i should go with the x-cal 2 then, since it sounds to be an improved version?
so basically, they are the EXACT same thing, it just uses 2 diff ways to program the car?
what about warranty, i have a 75k mile x-warranty. my car is already past factory warranty (37k miles  ). will this void my x-warranty? with this factor included, should i just go with the programmer since i could just reprogram back to stock versus them seeing an aftermarket chip in the car?
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05-24-2005, 08:30 AM
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They are both the exact same programming, but as mentioned about the x-cal2 adds some features. I would get the x-cal2. Since you're concerned about the warranty I would go with the flasher for that reason as well.
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Justin Starkey
VMP Tuning - SCT Custom tuning, Mobile Dynojet 224xLC, SCT's #2 custom tuning dealer for 2006, Phone: 321-206-9369 Email: Justin@VMPTuning.com
2000 Mustang 3.8 A4 TT 450RWHP/475RWTQ 10.996@127 17psi stock 3.8
2006 F250 CC 4x4 6.0L 14.3 @ 93
2006 Mustang 4.0 M5 Vortech 13psi 350RWHP/346RWTQ wife's car
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05-24-2005, 08:34 AM
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milf hunter
Join Date: Apr 2005
City: Baton Rouge
State: Louisiana
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got a couple more questions and then i'm done, i promise 
how many programs can the programmer hold?
how much hp/tq is usually gained with this?
what other advantages does reprogramming have on the car versus keeping it stock?
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05-24-2005, 08:44 AM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2003
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3 modified + 1 stock
10-15BHP and 10-15BTQ on average, improved throttle response, raised rev limiter, removed speed limiter, firmer shifts if you have an auto, improved driveability, there are also some ways that MPG can be increased
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05-24-2005, 08:50 AM
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milf hunter
Join Date: Apr 2005
City: Baton Rouge
State: Louisiana
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cool, thanks man
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05-24-2005, 10:12 AM
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WTF^^...
Join Date: May 2003
City: Hoover / Florence
State: Alabama
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will any SCT certified dealer give the same gains... ive only trusted you and a couple others (justin), are your programs any different than those that he will get from his source?
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05-25-2005, 07:00 AM
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There are some cases where my programs are the same, there are some cases where my programs are drastically different. When it comes to the V6s I make some changes to the standard SCT tune.
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Justin Starkey
VMP Tuning - SCT Custom tuning, Mobile Dynojet 224xLC, SCT's #2 custom tuning dealer for 2006, Phone: 321-206-9369 Email: Justin@VMPTuning.com
2000 Mustang 3.8 A4 TT 450RWHP/475RWTQ 10.996@127 17psi stock 3.8
2006 F250 CC 4x4 6.0L 14.3 @ 93
2006 Mustang 4.0 M5 Vortech 13psi 350RWHP/346RWTQ wife's car
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05-25-2005, 11:42 AM
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Not so green anymore
Join Date: May 2003
City: Canonsburg, PA; Aberdeen, MD
State: Pennsylvania
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justin, what do you charge for you 3 modified + stock chip?
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05-25-2005, 11:46 AM
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Registered User
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300 for a custom multi-program SCT chip, send me an email.
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Justin Starkey
VMP Tuning - SCT Custom tuning, Mobile Dynojet 224xLC, SCT's #2 custom tuning dealer for 2006, Phone: 321-206-9369 Email: Justin@VMPTuning.com
2000 Mustang 3.8 A4 TT 450RWHP/475RWTQ 10.996@127 17psi stock 3.8
2006 F250 CC 4x4 6.0L 14.3 @ 93
2006 Mustang 4.0 M5 Vortech 13psi 350RWHP/346RWTQ wife's car
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05-25-2005, 12:41 PM
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Crash
Join Date: Aug 2003
City: PSU
State: Pennsylvania
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Can the programmer be easily programed by anyone or does it have to be programed by a professional  |
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05-25-2005, 12:52 PM
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Registered User
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The SCT dealer that you buy it from will custom program it for your car.
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Justin Starkey
VMP Tuning - SCT Custom tuning, Mobile Dynojet 224xLC, SCT's #2 custom tuning dealer for 2006, Phone: 321-206-9369 Email: Justin@VMPTuning.com
2000 Mustang 3.8 A4 TT 450RWHP/475RWTQ 10.996@127 17psi stock 3.8
2006 F250 CC 4x4 6.0L 14.3 @ 93
2006 Mustang 4.0 M5 Vortech 13psi 350RWHP/346RWTQ wife's car
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05-25-2005, 08:59 PM
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Crash
Join Date: Aug 2003
City: PSU
State: Pennsylvania
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Where is the cheapest place to buy a x-calibrator programer?
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05-25-2005, 09:07 PM
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Registered User
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Send me an email, I'll get you prices and info.
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Justin Starkey
VMP Tuning - SCT Custom tuning, Mobile Dynojet 224xLC, SCT's #2 custom tuning dealer for 2006, Phone: 321-206-9369 Email: Justin@VMPTuning.com
2000 Mustang 3.8 A4 TT 450RWHP/475RWTQ 10.996@127 17psi stock 3.8
2006 F250 CC 4x4 6.0L 14.3 @ 93
2006 Mustang 4.0 M5 Vortech 13psi 350RWHP/346RWTQ wife's car
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11-17-2005, 07:07 PM
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Re: chip vs programmer
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Registered User
Join Date: Nov 2005
City: Queens Village
State: New York
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i want to hook up my mustang really badly. like its ur average joe schmoe. any ideas where to begin. and whats all this talk about programmers and chips?!?! someone please help me
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11-17-2005, 08:23 PM
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Re: chip vs programmer
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2003
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Whats your email address, I have some information for you...
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Justin Starkey
VMP Tuning - SCT Custom tuning, Mobile Dynojet 224xLC, SCT's #2 custom tuning dealer for 2006, Phone: 321-206-9369 Email: Justin@VMPTuning.com
2000 Mustang 3.8 A4 TT 450RWHP/475RWTQ 10.996@127 17psi stock 3.8
2006 F250 CC 4x4 6.0L 14.3 @ 93
2006 Mustang 4.0 M5 Vortech 13psi 350RWHP/346RWTQ wife's car
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11-17-2005, 10:50 PM
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Re: chip vs programmer
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Training to be a cage fighter
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 04stang
i had my sights set on a chip but after talking with spector v over aim i am kinda leaning towards a programmer instead. i am getting from an sct certified mechanic and they are both gonna cost 400. so its not like i gotta spend more on another.
so its a toss up. 4 program chip or a programmer. which one would you choose.
please list the pros/cons of each one, the advantages and disadvantages. all help is appreciated.
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I thought you had the programer already? if not i'd for sure get it. one thing i find positive about it is that you can get the custom programs emailed to you and not have to send the chip in to be reburned. you can log all sorts of helpful information with it and you should be able to play it back on your comp.
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11-18-2005, 08:28 AM
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Re: chip vs programmer
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postarama
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Psst:....thread from the dead...............check the date.
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11-18-2005, 10:16 AM
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Re: chip vs programmer
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Cammed Baby!
Join Date: May 2003
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Revived by someone new needing info.
This is ok.
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