.:l DarkShadow's Official Turbo Update Thread l:.

[DarkShadow]

Quote: Originally Posted by Kiljosh Wait, your a guy. Right? So howto donkeypunch.

I don't want to know but I'll just bet it can be done.

[white95v6]

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkShadow 1. Very true. 2. Who is he? 3. I hope so. 4. Um...er...yes. Andy said really the only important one is the boost gauge. I was gonna get a fuel pressure but he said once it's tuned that's really irrelevant unless you just really like to monitor that sort of thing. And I think it's PRETTY!

2: Brent Delk @ www.delkperformance.com

3: ok . but i know of one thats 100% accurate and makes purdy colors too.

[DarkShadow]

Quote: Originally Posted by white95v6 2: Brent Delk @ www.delkperformance.com 3: ok . but i know of one thats 100% accurate and makes purdy colors too.

Holy crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How come nobody Knew aboout this place!!!!!!!!!!
Tell me absolutely everything because if they have an actual mustang dyno that's what I'm going to do!

[white95v6]

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkShadow Holy crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How come nobody Knew aboout this place!!!!!!!!!! Tell me absolutely everything because if they have an actual mustang dyno that's what I'm going to do!

lmao. alot of ppl Know about it. if they know of my car they should Know about Delk Performance. they have tuned the worlds fastest V6.

and yes they have a Mustang Dyno. that is the dyno that i have used for all of my Dyno #s. from way back when i was a almost bone stock 3.8L, a HCI 3.8L, to a HCI 4.2L, to a TURBO 4.2L and everylittle mod i have ever done to my car in the last 3.5yrs.

if you need call and talk to ME or John. but if i was you i would ask for John. cause i work in the back and can almost never get to a phone.

[DarkShadow]

Wow, I'd heard about it but everyone always said I'm not sure but I think they do tuning !Ok, I will definately be doing that. Maybe some time next week or after, got to study for 2 tests and work overtime because one of our managers is on vacation. I WILL be giving ya'll a call!
Thanks!

[Brent]

Quote: Holy crap!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! How come nobody Knew aboout this place!!!!!!!!!! Tell me absolutely everything because if they have an actual mustang dyno that's what I'm going to do!

OMGHI2U!!!!!!!!!!oneoneone


I'm pretty sure your the only one that didn't know about it..... that lives around here

Good place

[STEVE]

i live thousands of miles away and i know about delk
but seriously the guys that have been running 10+ psi have been running it for low amounts o miles and probobly are not daily driven cars. I have not yet heard of any of the turbo cars, have like more than a few thousand miles on the blown setup, only time will tell i guess.

[wiarumas]

yeah, im sure a car could handle the psi if it was in good condition. but if your car was been around the block its not in tip top shape anymore. im sure it can handle it, but i think its only a matter of time before something breaks. good luck though and keep us updated.

[Brent]

Quote: good luck though and keep us updated.

[DarkShadow]

Quote: Originally Posted by Brent OMGHI2U!!!!!!!!!!oneoneone I'm pretty sure your the only one that didn't know about it..... that lives around here Good place

Well I had heard of it but everyone I asked was like "I don't think they'll do tuning", or "I don't think they have a Mustang dyno" or crap like that. Glad I found out for sure.

[StangGt804]

good luck with the project!! gonna be one bad v6! like those lambos!!

[Thomas91169]

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkShadow Without forging, the stock internals are good for about 11psi (safe min) 12 (IMO, unsafe max).

no, theyre not. even with the fuel system up to par, i wouldnt go past 7psi turboed. while turbo psi and supercharger psi are the same, its the airflow thats going to hurt you. a turbo flows almost double the amount of air at the same psi as a sc does. i also sense a head gasket failure do to lifting the heads at high boost levels, especially a head gasked designed for no forced induction now seeing 11psi fed by a turbo on stock compression pistons.

Quote: Originally Posted by SpectorV psi is not what kills motors, its the tune. Sure if you max out the psi you will blow something up, but most of the time is a bad tune that does the deed.

no, PSI is exactly what kills motors. especially those motors not meant for ANY boost now seeing shitloads(well, alot compared to most stangs, especially 3.8ers). remember, airflow makes the power, psi is how it gets that airflow into the cylinders. this is why its always best to have a huge ass turbo, and run 16psi and make 40lbs/min than a smaller turbo running at 25psi to make 35lbs/min of airflow. the 25psi turbo is not only going to die faster, 35lbs/min of airflow isnt making as much power as 40lbs/min.

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkShadow Exactly, thank you for being a voice in the wilderness. The engines that get blown are a result of tards that don't know how to tune a tb'd Mustang. Which is why I decided to let Justin handle that part since I'd be willing to bet no one around here knows how to tune one!!

i dont know about you, but after being around mustang forums and seeing sob stories about shitty premade tunes that sucked for minor bolt on applications, ill do my own tuning. its not too difficult, actually the biggest thing i miss from the dsm world is tuning with my little laptop and stuff, checking short term and long term fuel trims, airflow tables, global fuel settings, fine fuel settings, injector dead times, timing, all the way to being able to turn my fans on at certain temps, or making my CEL flash when it reaches more than 3* of timing retardation due to knock.

and even if the tune they give you is uber rich all over the rpm range with timing pulled to the point of almost no advance, the motor STILL wont handle those psi levels.

ill give you an analogy. what youre doing to your 3.8 by turboing it and going for 12psi, would be like monkey slapping a GT35r turbo into his Evo and running 40psi and expecting it to last long.

Quote: Originally Posted by DarkShadow To a certain point I'll agree with that, but only because I do realize that it will be hard to stay off the pedal. One of my friends has an SRT-4 and he dogs the living s*** out of it, takes it to the track every weekend for midnight madness, finds at least one person to race a day (or so he says). We keep telling him to lay off but he wont listen, he'll listen one day . They come forged but it still wont handle that kind of abuse for long. I've told my other buds to donkeypunch me if I do stuff like that for longer than the first month! Very good incentive!

but thats almost reverse of reality. his car was MEANT for boost. dodge designed that 2.4 with all means of people running 25-30psi into them and driving them like maniacs. you dont make a normal motor and strap a turbo onto it and release upgrades if the motor cant handle it. hell, by all means, let him beat the shit out of it, itll last longer than most forged rebuilds out there, cause it came that way. the same for evo/dsm's 4g63, the greatest 4cyl motor ever produced. it was MEANT for boost. he can throw 25psi at it and race it through lemans and i can almost gaurantee it will hold up.

i give your 3.8 2 runs. one will fracture the rods but remain mostly intact through the run by sheer luck, the second time of hitting full boost during a run and its shrapnel grenading time. have you ever heard a motor exploding under severe stress, its probably going to haunt you for years, drive you into owning a SUV and strapping lots of bling cause everytime you think about performance the sound of metal shattering and thousands of dollars going down the drain sends you into convulsions.

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in retrospect, i almost admire you for attempting such a feat. one of the very few who turbocharge a otherwise n/a car, and even fewer to do it to a 3.8, and even fewer to do it at the levels youre going for without some sort of race sponsorship. and trying to do all of that and maintain its daily driveability is borderline insane. put it to you this way, i sold my dsm cause turbo's were taking over my life. every waking moment spent researching mod paths and late night backroad tuning, emptying tank after tank of 92 octane gas, just so it would be perfect, just for that one moment when all the power i had would come to bear on an opponent, but knowing that that moment was few and far between. i never really went full balls to the wall with the dsm's final tune, i got one run in at 20psi fully tuned and it scared the shit out of me, spun the front tires when full boost was reached at 3500rpm and torquesteered me almost into a tree at 90. came home that night, and started tearing it down, knowing that either the dsm had to go, or i would be the one going.

[Thomas91169]

oh another note, look on ebay for fmic's(front mount intercoolers). it might sound cheap, but anything is better flowing and cools more than a obx unit. i got a 24x12x3 fmic for 180 bucks, its made by the same company that makes greddy and spearco ones, it just doenst have the name stamped on and the 800$ pricetag. plus you can find long and slender fmic's that will fit your bumper without much custom fabbing and cutting of the bumper cover or support.

[DarkShadow]

I do understand what your saying and do appreciate the warnings, but there's no way I would be doing this if I was the first one ever to run that much psi (10). Off the top of my head, with 100% stock motors, I know of 5 (out of 5) people who have run that much with no problems. Justin runs around 17psi with a stock motor. They all use them as daily drivers (except for Justin), and they all have driven them like maniacs since they got boosted.

For the intercooler, I think I've decided to go ahead and spend the extra on the Spearco.

[Kiljosh]

Make sure you havea video camera around when it blows up.

[DarkShadow]

It's going to be fun proving ya'll wrong, lol, hopefully.