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12-14-2005, 12:20 AM
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3.8stang
Join Date: Sep 2005
City: Lakemoor
State: Illinois
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what would be the major differences between short tube and long tube headers, i was the one that started the 2000 vs 2005 mustang, but was looking into headers since i got my exhaust today.
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12-14-2005, 02:48 AM
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Re: short vs. long
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I need bolts
Join Date: Oct 2004
City: Dallas PA
State: Pennsylvania
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Headers won't do much more that change the sound on a stock engine. Shorty headers are useless on 94-98 cause theyre stockers already flow nice. If you want to do headers get long tubes. You might feel a small gain and it will change your exhaust tone aswell.
Really dont need them until you do heads/cam/intakes.
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12-14-2005, 07:09 AM
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Re: short vs. long
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Ero-Sennin
Join Date: Jul 2003
City: Murfreesboro
State: Tennessee
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a little caution on long tubes though. i have mac lt's and they hang too low. poorly designed, i guess... take a speed bump too fast and say goodbye to your exhaust
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12-14-2005, 12:00 PM
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Re: short vs. long
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15 Second Club?
Join Date: Sep 2005
City: Covington
State: Kentucky
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Yeah... i got headers without really looking into it. now i wish i would have put that $200 into something else, since i only have exhaust and CAI it doesnt really do too much.
And yes, MAC doesnt really make things that well... both my exhaust and headers are MAC. My exhaust (the muffler on the passenger side and the part of the pipe that runs out behind it) hangs too low. When i go into my driveway it rubs sometimes... really annoying. I guess the next exhaust will just have to be custom made... not a crappy bolt on
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Mods: MAC Dual Catback Exhaust, MAC Shorty Headers, CAI, Sequential Taillights, 03 17" Cobra Rims
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12-14-2005, 03:11 PM
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Re: short vs. long
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WTF^^...
Join Date: May 2003
City: Hoover / Florence
State: Alabama
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dont mess with headers until you have the motor built
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12-15-2005, 08:20 AM
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Re: short vs. long
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3.8stang
Join Date: Sep 2005
City: Lakemoor
State: Illinois
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I wasnt going to do the headers until i do the rest of the setup. just laying out more for myself, so go with long tubes.....
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12-15-2005, 11:33 AM
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Re: short vs. long
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15 Second Club?
Join Date: Sep 2005
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if you get long tubes you are also going to have to get an H pipe or something similar w/ new cats (unless you already did this with your new exhaust), but they will give you better performance, as long as you dont hit them on something. with shorty headers you dont have to worry about the cats, but you probably dont get as good of performance.
So yes, based on performance, i would get the long tube headers
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1999 3.8 V6 Electric Green Mustang
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Mods: MAC Dual Catback Exhaust, MAC Shorty Headers, CAI, Sequential Taillights, 03 17" Cobra Rims
My Garage
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12-15-2005, 01:04 PM
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Re: short vs. long
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WTF^^...
Join Date: May 2003
City: Hoover / Florence
State: Alabama
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what are emissions like in your area, you may not can go long tubes due to that.
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MGW Shifter, Stingers, JLT, SS Inserts, MM FLSFC & CC Plates, SS Lines, H&R Race springs, IRS Brace, MRT Hood Struts
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12-15-2005, 01:22 PM
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Re: short vs. long
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15 Second Club?
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H pipes are supposedly illegal in most states (or off road use only), but he could probably have something custom made with a some cats... i dont know how legal that is though
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1999 3.8 V6 Electric Green Mustang
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Mods: MAC Dual Catback Exhaust, MAC Shorty Headers, CAI, Sequential Taillights, 03 17" Cobra Rims
My Garage
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12-15-2005, 01:53 PM
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Re: short vs. long
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3.8stang
Join Date: Sep 2005
City: Lakemoor
State: Illinois
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I live in illinois so they are some what strict..... but ill look into it more and decide what should be done, like i said, Im gonna wait until the end of summer to finsih everything
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12-15-2005, 04:45 PM
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postarama
Join Date: Aug 2003
City: Southaven
State: Mississippi
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...they make H-pipes with cats...the gt and cobra both come with h-pipes with cats...they also make x pipes with cats.
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12-16-2005, 08:17 AM
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Re: short vs. long
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15 Second Club?
Join Date: Sep 2005
City: Covington
State: Kentucky
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duh... i wasnt thinking. im just used to seeing everyone sell them without cats i guess.
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1999 3.8 V6 Electric Green Mustang
5 speed
Mods: MAC Dual Catback Exhaust, MAC Shorty Headers, CAI, Sequential Taillights, 03 17" Cobra Rims
My Garage
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12-18-2005, 09:45 PM
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Re: short vs. long
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postarama
Join Date: Aug 2003
City: Southaven
State: Mississippi
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Our's:
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12-21-2005, 11:20 PM
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Re: short vs. long
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3.8stang
Join Date: Sep 2005
City: Lakemoor
State: Illinois
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alright i got the gt take off, but dont really want to spend the money right now to get it welded up, but will in a week, i want to put it up, but have no clue where to start. should i cut off the old, and then place it up, or connect the two pipes that were cut when shipped then put in. Lie ive said before very new with the exhaust on this car, just looking for some imput on where to start. im gonna go check to see how much it would cost me to have it welded up with hangers n all, so if its less than 70 im all for it, but just wanted to get an outside perception on it before i start cutting up the exhaust. I do know i will need to extend the pipe after the cats to the gt take offs to clear the suspension, other than that i see no problem seeing the first way then have it welded up once done.
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12-22-2005, 09:38 PM
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Re: short vs. long
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postarama
Join Date: Aug 2003
City: Southaven
State: Mississippi
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Ok, what you are gonna want to do is:
Find a good reputable exhaust shop.
Tell them you have a dual exhaust system you want put on.
Tell them you want to have your y-pipe cut before it starts to bend in, and pipes welded running from the new exhaust to your now cut y-pipe. Hence giving you a dual exhaust system with no crossover pipe.
Then, you'll want them to hook the hangers up for the rest of the exhaust.
You should look to spend around 100 bucks...and it's never a bad thing to tip your exhaust guy, never know when you'll need something done.
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12-24-2005, 02:12 AM
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Re: short vs. long
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3.8stang
Join Date: Sep 2005
City: Lakemoor
State: Illinois
Posts: 222
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i went to the shop today and he was going to charge me 200 bucks just to weld it up, but im gonna go to another one, and find out if this price is accurate, i think the guy was thinking i was going to have him build me an exhaust
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01-02-2006, 05:40 PM
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Re: short vs. long
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Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2003
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On a stock or bolt on car I would do duals and thats it, leaving the stock cats, maybe hollow out the front cats if you are adventureous.
The shorties will get you a few HP, but the LTs are overkill for a stock HCI car I think.
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