Realistic Engine Expectations of the 2009 Ford Mustang...

RGR · 02-20-2006, 10:56 AM

Me, I'd like to see a 4V version of the current 4.0, with a forged steel
crank, that sucka has a huge (big block!) bore spacing of 4.760" and
sleeved, could get bores up around 4.5 inches fully sized out. Get a good
forged crank for it and 300+ c.i. V6's would be a reality!

The 3.5 DOHC was mentioned in the article, anyone got any specs on that?
Hopefully it is a stout engine which would allow major power upgrades and
possibly major displacement increases.

**bbunt302** · **Re: Realistic Engine Expectations...**

It's actually a very nice motor and would be a huge upgrade from the 4.0. From what I've seen they'd probably be rated 250-260 in stock form. It's in the Duratec family of engines (the largest v6 in the group).

Here's some info.

DarkShadow · **Re: Realistic Engine Expectations...**

Wow, that 3.5 sounds really good...I wonder how sturdy it is?

wiarumas · **Re: Realistic Engine Expectations...**


Quote: Originally Posted by bbunt302 It's actually a very nice motor and would be a huge upgrade from the 4.0. From what I've seen they'd probably be rated 250-260 in stock form. It's in the Duratec family of engines (the largest v6 in the group). Here's some info.

that would be nice

RGR · **Re: Realistic Engine Expectations...**


Quote: Originally Posted by bbunt302 It's actually a very nice motor and would be a huge upgrade from the 4.0. From what I've seen they'd probably be rated 250-260 in stock form. It's in the Duratec family of engines (the largest v6 in the group). Here's some info.

In that link, there is another link, and the data indicates that the duratec
can be made into a 3.8 (factory) so imagine what we could do with it using
our Mad V6 Skillz

I believe our pushrod 3.8 can get awful close to 5.0 liters, in fact I'm almost sure

**bbunt302** · **Re: Realistic Engine Expectations...**

Best thing about it is the block is made right here in Alabama, so it should be pretty darn stout.

Here is the extra info.

RGR · **Re: Realistic Engine Expectations...**


Quote: Originally Posted by bbunt302 Best thing about it is the block is made right here in Alabama, so it should be pretty darn stout.

call it the Dura-Bama-Slama

WYLDHorses · 08-01-2006, 01:15 AM

Ok...maybe this will help...I've been wanting to do this hybrid myself...You say you want to see a 4 valve 4.0? Look on eBay for some 2.9 Cosworth heads...these heads have to be from a pre-'98 Scorpio. The 4.0 is based on the old 2.8 V6 originally found in the Pinto/Mustang II...the euro 2.9 is based off the same block. The reason why you can't use '98 or newer heads is that Ford of Europe revised the block to make the package shorter overall...basically the newer heads won't physically work on the 4.0 block...but the pre-98 heads will...anyway, long story short...custom pistons, the DOHC setup from the Ford/Cosworth Scorpio and either hack up the stock intake manifold from the 2.9 or fab a new one, and presto...your very own Cosworth 4 valve 4.0 V6! There is even a site for Scorpio owners that gives detailed info on rebuilds and has technical drawings...like every swap, there will be hurdles, but if you're dedicated and buy ALL the parts (they have to be shipped from Europe) at once...cams, heads, intake, front timing cover, water pump, chain tensioners, etc., you will save a bundle on shipping...y'know make sure you're dealing with someone who is good at following up on the paper work so that you're package will pass customs, and you have a one-of-a-kind engine that'll cause people to drool...hell, turbo that sucker and you'll be eating Shelby GT500's for lunch.

RGR · 08-01-2006, 09:07 AM


Quote: Originally Posted by WYLDHorses Ok...maybe this will help...I've been wanting to do this hybrid myself...You say you want to see a 4 valve 4.0? Look on eBay for some 2.9 Cosworth heads...these heads have to be from a pre-'98 Scorpio. The 4.0 is based on the old 2.8 V6 originally found in the Pinto/Mustang II...the euro 2.9 is based off the same block. The reason why you can't use '98 or newer heads is that Ford of Europe revised the block to make the package shorter overall...basically the newer heads won't physically work on the 4.0 block...but the pre-98 heads will...anyway, long story short...custom pistons, the DOHC setup from the Ford/Cosworth Scorpio and either hack up the stock intake manifold from the 2.9 or fab a new one, and presto...your very own Cosworth 4 valve 4.0 V6! There is even a site for Scorpio owners that gives detailed info on rebuilds and has technical drawings...like every swap, there will be hurdles, but if you're dedicated and buy ALL the parts (they have to be shipped from Europe) at once...cams, heads, intake, front timing cover, water pump, chain tensioners, etc., you will save a bundle on shipping...y'know make sure you're dealing with someone who is good at following up on the paper work so that you're package will pass customs, and you have a one-of-a-kind engine that'll cause people to drool...hell, turbo that sucker and you'll be eating Shelby GT500's for lunch.

Got Link?

I saw a neat Volvo 4valve head swap for my buddy's 2.3 OHC 4 cyl.
It was a very comprehensive swap, and Teh Beauty Thing is the Ford now owns Volvo!

WYLDHorses · 08-01-2006, 11:51 PM

Ford Scorpio 1995+ and if you are looking for excellent Scorpio parts look for a guy named madmadscorpio on eBay...he's always got a ton of quality auto-exotica.

dark · 08-03-2006, 09:29 PM

they're not gonna change engines in the mustang until 2014 at least

the most we'll get for 2009 is a slightly stronger tune, i'd guess around 225 for the v6, 320 for the gt.. ~375 to 400 for specialties and 550 for the cobra

RGR · 08-04-2006, 08:02 AM


Quote: Originally Posted by dark they're not gonna change engines in the mustang until 2014 at least the most we'll get for 2009 is a slightly stronger tune, i'd guess around 225 for the v6, 320 for the gt.. ~375 to 400 for specialties and 550 for the cobra

Based on current life cycles for engines, that makes sense. 2014 that is.

ToNyStAnG · 08-04-2006, 08:19 AM

Get a 4.0 and do the cosworth thing dad!

**bbunt302** · 08-04-2006, 04:05 PM


Quote: Originally Posted by dark they're not gonna change engines in the mustang until 2014 at least the most we'll get for 2009 is a slightly stronger tune, i'd guess around 225 for the v6, 320 for the gt.. ~375 to 400 for specialties and 550 for the cobra

I don't think it will be that long before they swap over to the 3.5L Duratec. If so, they are complete idiots. It's a great little motor.

I'm thinking the GT may start getting a 5.4L before too awful long as well. They are reaching the point where they are getting as much NA horsepower out of a 4.6L as possible (for a factory car car that has to pass all sorts of emissions anyway).

RGR · 08-04-2006, 08:18 PM


Quote: Originally Posted by bbunt302 I don't think it will be that long before they swap over to the 3.5L Duratec. If so, they are complete idiots. It's a great little motor. I'm thinking the GT may start getting a 5.4L before too awful long as well. They are reaching the point where they are getting as much NA horsepower out of a 4.6L as possible (for a factory car car that has to pass all sorts of emissions anyway).

Good points Blunt, but while the sooner Duratec changeover makes sense,
I forsee that a 5.0 factory modular will emerge as the engine of choice for a GT.
Guess we'll have to wait and see!

dark · 08-05-2006, 06:52 PM

they need to use 4v engines in everything. this 2 and 3 valve stuff just doesn't stack up to competition. a 4v I4, 4v V6 and 4v V8 (across all models, not just mustang) would be cheaper in the long run to produce than having a dozen different blocks in everything becuz the only thing that would change would be the crank and intakes. everything else could be swappable

that's what nissan is doing. they use the same v6 block in the altima, maxima, frontier, pathfinder, xterra, murano, 350z and quest.. the only things that change between models is a) the crank (3.5 for cars or 4.0 for trucks) b) the intake c) heads (different on cars than trucks) and d) tune

RGR · 08-05-2006, 08:35 PM


Quote: Originally Posted by Ivan Qwishbi Shez ...they need to use 4v engines in everything. this 2 and 3 valve stuff just doesn't stack up to competition. a 4v I4, 4v V6 and 4v V8 (across all models, not just mustang) would be cheaper in the long run to produce than having a dozen different blocks in everything becuz the only thing that would change would be the crank and intakes. everything else could be swappable that's what nissan is doing. they use the same v6 block in the altima, maxima, frontier, pathfinder, xterra, murano, 350z and quest.. the only things that change between models is a) the crank (3.5 for cars or 4.0 for trucks) b) the intake c) heads (different on cars than trucks) and d) tune

I thought that is what Ford was doing when they announced the modular line in the first place,
but it was just really a faster/easier way of making a still dizzying array of blocks and config's
like they have done since the old days. I'd rather see like 1 engine family with a wide interchange
of hard parts like cranks and rods so as to (in Nissan's case) Use a stroker truck crank in the best
block and use the strongest rods with the best base-flowing heads if these did not come in 1 package.
Kinda like we do with SPI strokers, but having more good factory choices for parts.

Ford's MODULARITY simply means faster/easier re-tooling of block casting methods,
they for example make V10's with the same basic tooling as the 4.6 mods... there are some
other advantages, but few of them really filter down to us the real hot-rodders.