Should the 2009 Mustang be Super or Turboed factory?

retrorider · **Should the 2009 Mustang be Super or Turboed factory?**

I wanna see them super, or turbo charge the 2009 Ford Mustang. It would help on the gas savings as long as the people that drive them aren't petal to the floor everytime they are driving the car.. The factory turbo or supercharging would probably make it cost more, but I would rather not them go to a completely electric Mustang or something crazy like that.

**PureVenom** · 04-17-2006, 10:32 AM

I think I would like to see the base models (V6 and GT) remain as they are with maybe a little bump in HP for the GT and a nice bump for the V6 maybe approaching the old GT numbers of 250ish or so.

Then, come out with special models. One a N/A with either a high output 5.0 or 5.4 pushing 400 hp (Call this the Mach 1 or a new name). Then come out with a mac daddy model with the 5.4 and a super charger. This mack daddy should be called the Boss. This could have an optional high output big displacement (400+ ci) N/A monster. Both the S/C and big displacement should push 500+ hp mark. It should also have very good street manners so it can perform well in both the straight line and not so strait line competitions.

Leave the turbo's for the aftermarket. Also, leave shelby's name off the cars. We don't need to name markup from the factory. Let him make his own to put his name on like Saleen and the like do.

As for saving gas with a super/turbo charger...being the owner of a supercharged 03 Cobra...driving normal is not possible. There are only 2 classes of people that can drive cars like these normally. Those that are 50+ that only bought it because it is a mustang and hope to attract the super young ladies with it. And SpectorV. Those are the only people that can drive them normal.

**SpectorV** · 04-17-2006, 12:10 PM

as far as the base model V6 and V8 (base model and GT versions) they should stay as they are, they dont need the power adders at this time to sell good. It would only cause more problems and cost more to build the motors to last as well as fix issues that come up. Sure the 05/06's are underpowered compared to many cars out there but.... they are still nice.

Bane- · 04-17-2006, 01:57 PM


Quote: Should the 2009 Mustang be Super or Turboed factory?

neither, I want ford to prove they can actually build a higher hp n/a car for once. I mean the 03/04 cobras and the new gt500s are nice an all, but without a poweradder they wouldnt be "that" great. Just go back to good 'ol pushrods and build a damn motor that doesnt like to blow up and sounds good again. I mean...look at gm, they are putting out more power then the 03/04 cobras with the ls series motor without a supercharger...

*puts on flame suit*

**Brent** · 04-17-2006, 02:16 PM

4.6 DOHC Mach1 = 305 HP

That is pretty good N/A Modular if you ask me

heramb22 · 04-17-2006, 04:44 PM


Quote: Originally Posted by Brent 4.6 DOHC Mach1 = 305 HP That is pretty good N/A Modular if you ask me

Ummmm..... hate to disagree with you Brent, but.....
350Z
VQ35DE�3.5-liter DOHC 24-valve V6 engine (M/T models)
300 hp @ 6,400 rpm

hell, the Maxima has 265hp (granted I know the Mach1 kills it in torque, but....

**PureVenom** · 04-17-2006, 05:02 PM


Quote: Originally Posted by Bane- neither, I want ford to prove they can actually build a higher hp n/a car for once. I mean the 03/04 cobras and the new gt500s are nice an all, but without a poweradder they wouldnt be "that" great. Just go back to good 'ol pushrods and build a damn motor that doesnt like to blow up and sounds good again. I mean...look at gm, they are putting out more power then the 03/04 cobras with the ls series motor without a supercharger... puts on flame suit

Well, ford has proven they can build high HP N/A engines. Just but a roller and then get one of the many 302 and up crate engines like the 5.0 cammer.

To quote someone I read a post from recently....

I don't care where it comes from, power is power...and I've got it.

Blow me, stroke me, squeeze me...I don't care...just give me power.

Bane- · 04-17-2006, 11:01 PM

yea the 5.0 cammer is nice an all, but the motor alone is like 15k for a shortblock I think. Im talking factory installed though smurfin, not buy the car then drop in a whole new motor.

Im not saying the mach's and cobras are junk, but with a blower on it, it just doesnt seem to be that respectable.

heramb22 is right though about the 350Z, Friend of mine used to have one and he hit the mid 13's stock with it and he cant drive a clutch to save his ass.

**Brent** · 04-18-2006, 01:30 AM


Quote: Originally Posted by heramb22 Ummmm..... hate to disagree with you Brent, but..... 350Z VQ35DE�3.5-liter DOHC 24-valve V6 engine (M/T models) 300 hp @ 6,400 rpm hell, the Maxima has 265hp (granted I know the Mach1 kills it in torque, but....

Wow welcome back

Thomas91169 · 01:58 AM


Quote: Originally Posted by Brent 4.6 DOHC Mach1 = 305 HP That is pretty good N/A Modular if you ask me

pretty weak if you ask me.

ford shouldve stuck with the pushrod and learnt how to make a free flowing tuned 5.0.

chevy has the LS series motors, which i dont know if youve noticed it, are approaching the 500hp mark without a power adder, and theyre still 350 cubes.

ford needs to drop a 5.4l 4v tuned n/a setup into a mustang. a torquey as hell motor that can breathe up top. maybe even go toe to toe, stock for stock against a LS1 and finally come up on top.

as for SC/TC a 09 Stang. Nope. SCing one of the top line models (like SVT or Shelby whatever they go with), but not a fully fledged mass produced vehicle like the v6/GT.

though id like to see some of the austrailian performance lineup hit the states to give chase to the evo/sti that everyone jocks. ford needs something awd that can make them look bad.

**Brent** · 04-18-2006, 01:59 AM


Quote: chevy has the LS series motors, which i dont know if youve noticed it, are approaching the 500hp mark without a power adder, and theyre still 350 cubes.

I don't know if you notice but the LS series motors, as much as everyone nuts over them, were not enough to keep their TransAm and Camaro in production and competing with Ford.


Quote: ford needs to drop a 5.4l 4v tuned n/a setup into a mustang. a torquey as hell motor that can breathe up top. maybe even go toe to toe, stock for stock against a LS1 and finally come up on top.

Come out on top of what? HP? Would you rather them sink all that money into a engine and raise the price of the Mustang and end up ending the Mustang line?

Thomas91169 · 04-18-2006, 02:44 AM

first off, the Fbody platform died cause they overpriced it for its poor quality. they are badass cars, and if they were 5k cheaper, they would still be around. even though brand new, a fully equipped SS was still 5k-10k cheaper than a fully equipped 03/04, and isnt much slower, take that blower off the cobra, and its just another GT.

then again, they will be, at 400hp come 2007 at the same pricetag a 300hp GT is.

and it shouldnt be that much more expensive to make a 5.4l 4v, all the parts are already used in other cars. you take some 4v heads, slap them on a 5.4 block, tune it and be on your merry way.

and the mustang will never die. if it were to, it wouldlve happened between 74-78. great names never die, they go back to the drawing board to get refined and recreated for another generation in a few years.

besides, now that we have all these american names coming back and most of them having sub 400hp naturally aspirated, makes the gt look slow again. seriously, in a LS* and Hemi world, i wonder why the fuck ford insists on keeping with the measly 281? drop in a 5.4l and be back in the game.

**Brent** · 04-18-2006, 02:51 AM


Quote: Originally Posted by EclipseGSTdude first off, the Fbody platform died cause they overpriced it for its poor quality. they are badass cars, and if they were 5k cheaper,

But they weren't and there is a reason they werent.


Quote: they would still be around.

Why were they over priced? GMC just felt like over pricing all their cars and continue to be beat down by Ford every year in sales?


Quote: even though brand new, a fully equipped SS was still 5k-10k cheaper than a fully equipped 03/04, and isnt much slower, take that blower off the cobra, and its just another GT.

Yet the Cobra > SS in sales. I am failing to understand why Ford is obligated to do anything different with their engines when there is NO COMPETITION.

Don't take the blower off the Cobra, because it is not meant to be off. That engine is 4v DOHC, not a SOHC 2v anyways.

[quote]then again, they will be, at 400hp come 2007 at the same pricetag a 300hp GT is.


Quote: and it shouldnt be that much more expensive to make a 5.4l 4v, all the parts are already used in other cars. you take some 4v heads, slap them on a 5.4 block, tune it and be on your merry way.

WHY? I personally LOVE the 03/04 Cobras and the blower on them. They sound amazing and are INCREDIBLY easy to modify.


Quote: and the mustang will never die. if it were to, it wouldlve happened between 74-78. great names never die, they go back to the drawing board to get refined and recreated for another generation in a few years.

Yet another reason that Ford doesnt need to add the biggest engine they can. They sell as they are.


Quote: besides, now that we have all these american names coming back and most of them having sub 400hp naturally aspirated, makes the gt look slow again. seriously, in a LS* and Hemi world, i wonder why the fuck ford insists on keeping with the measly 281? drop in a 5.4l and be back in the game.

How are they out of the game. WTF I AM LOST. They continue to out sell the closet competitor they have now.

Bane- · 04-18-2006, 06:25 AM


Quote: Originally Posted by EclipseGSTdude and the mustang will never die. if it were to, it wouldlve happened between 74-78. great names never die, they go back to the drawing board to get refined and recreated for another generation in a few years.

if it was going to die it would of died in 94 when ford was going to replace it with the probe...to many people complained, wondre why

retrorider · 04-18-2006, 07:59 AM

Yeah I hear ya on that one, Ford should just learn to build a bad ass engine from the get go. I think Ford would have a run at the Hemi Charger, but The charger has an extra two doors to wiegh it down, so if Dodge had a 2 door hemi charger, Ford and Dodge would have it out for themselves, I love the big v6 its just it has some power to it, but I'd like it to be a little more beefed up coming out of the factory. I guess Ford is afraid they wont get their money for the car if they had it pushing 4-5 hundred horses, and someone takes a curve too fast and ruins the car.. who knows. I just think that since every damn import is cranking superchargers from the factory they might add a grand to the total of the car, and get one on it from start.