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07-20-2006, 09:48 PM
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'09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Join Date: Jul 2006
City: Edmond
State: Oklahoma
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Lightweight and aerodynamic. Low cost, or at least reasonable.
Here's the thing that burns me up the most about new cars: The "standard equipment list"!
I'd put my own aftermarket wheels on it so I'd like to get it with the cheapest steel wheels you've got. I don't want any head unit or speakers installed(I'll install my own). I don't want air conditioning, power brakes, power steering, electric windows, or a heater. Nor do I want ~15 air bags in it.
Car should cost about ~$12,000 right?
Also, weld the axle tubes to the differential housing, and I don't want that mickey mouse drive shaft that's in it now. And why that funky 5 speed instead of just an off the shelf TKO 600? How about sub frame connectors?
I read your new 3 valve block is only good for ~500 hp before it fails? Just put that 'ol 302 sportsman block in it or go with a push rod 351. I don't need or want that monstrosity mod motor. How is that motor from hell cheaper to produce then the old style block? No way those 2 and 4 cam cylinder heads and giant dual timing chain assembly is low cost..
Just go aftermarket and you won't have to make that stuff. Dart Block(or World), Edelbrock heads and intake, Comp Cam, MegaSquirt... We'll take it from there.  |
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07-21-2006, 07:11 AM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Bob is Good.
Join Date: Jun 2004
City: Greenville
State: Texas
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Uhh... buy a fox? |
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07-21-2006, 07:37 AM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Taking life one day at a time
Join Date: May 2003
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The car you suggest would be for less than 2% of the mustang buying public. So there is no money in it. The average american does not buy and new car and mod it. Only 2% mod new cars. Now when a car reaches 5 years old then modding jumps to a big whopping 4%. So no matter what, if they built a bunch of these they would just sit. I know I would not buy a new car that did not come with air conditioning, power brakes, power steering or a heater.
As a matter of fact all cars have a heaters even 50 years ago. I dont think any cars come without power steering either unless it is a utility truck
However I understand what you are saying I was looking a LCD tv's and was looking for one that did not have speakers on it. You uses the TV's speakers. Everyone I know uses a Surround Receiver or Amp and much better speakers than what come on the TV.
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07-21-2006, 09:03 AM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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WTF^^...
Join Date: May 2003
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They have MANY regulations they have to meet just to be capable of selling the car to the public. Most of the extra options of course could be left out and I think it would be neat to have a new GTS package mustang... just the very basic options. Most dont want this as nearly every mustang owner will not mod their car at all~ so they want to buy what they want to start with. I dont think it would be much more trouble to ditch a few add on items as you stated but... they wont go out of their way to do so. They are going to be heavy though....
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07-21-2006, 09:29 AM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Mad Scientist
Join Date: Jun 2006
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LOL. No doubt!
Now, I do agree with the option of the wheels, sound system and A/C.... and I'll even add to that list with the option of not having a spoiler, but as Danger says, I don't know of one person who would buy a car without power brakes and no heater - seriously, how many people do you know who would buy this car? As for steering, I'm sure that many could live with a rack and pinion system again, but one thing that you don't realize is that it costs them to keep all of the options in stock as well, so by limiting their options to certain things helps to reduce their costs.
I think SpectorV's on the right path with the GTS model
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07-21-2006, 02:49 PM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Join Date: Jul 2006
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There are many highly populated areas in the US that have warm climates and a heater is not needed there. Why be forced to have it if you don't need it?
These Cobra kits use the Fox brakes and are manual. With the pedal arm re drilled so the leverage is proper, the brakes feel fine.
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I was just thinking about how for example, Flaming River offers both a power and manual rack. My car used to be power, and now it's manual with just a rack swap. I wouldn't have it any other way. No noisy, nasty, power eating pump.. A noticeable hp increase after it was removed. A bare bones engine compartment is NICE to work on. My Dad's '88 is 100% stock and I hate working on that thing. |
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07-21-2006, 03:18 PM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Originally Posted by rtz
There are many highly populated areas in the US that have warm climates and a heater is not needed there. Why be forced to have it if you don't need it?
These Cobra kits use the Fox brakes and are manual. With the pedal arm re drilled so the leverage is proper, the brakes feel fine.
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I was just thinking about how for example, Flaming River offers both a power and manual rack. My car used to be power, and now it's manual with just a rack swap. I wouldn't have it any other way. No noisy, nasty, power eating pump.. A noticeable hp increase after it was removed. A bare bones engine compartment is NICE to work on. My Dad's '88 is 100% stock and I hate working on that thing.
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Without at least a fan and a heater you would need plenty of towels to get ride of dew, fog, on the windshield. This would be rather annoying and dangerous. The heater uses the water form the engine cooling it is relatively cost free and would not give you any more HP if deleted
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Last edited by Danger Dude; 11-09-2006 at 04:19 PM.
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07-21-2006, 03:34 PM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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I use to say the same thing about getting rid of the A/C when I was a Honda boy. I would always ride around with the windows down. With my Mustang you can't tell much a difference with the air on or off. I'm not saying the A/C doesn't sap some power, but living in the south east I think I'll keep my A/C. |
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07-21-2006, 04:02 PM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Not having the AC/heater is more about not having all the hoses, etc. under the hood to me.
Last edited by Danger Dude; 07-21-2006 at 04:41 PM.
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07-21-2006, 04:41 PM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Taking life one day at a time
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Name me one car in the last 50 years that did not have a heater???
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07-23-2006, 01:25 AM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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City: La Vernia
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i like my A/C but thats just me
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07-25-2006, 02:17 PM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Join Date: Jun 2006
City: Las Vegas
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dont think you'd sell many non A/C cars here in Las Vegas . I even put the factory air back in my 70 .Black vinyl seats are brutal in 110 degree heat ! |
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08-02-2006, 08:11 AM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Mad Scientist
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Original design VW Beetle.... and those were made all the way up to the early 90's
As for A/C, I actually get congested when the A/C is on in a vehicle... doesn't matter what vehicle, and I have yet to buy a vehicle with it. I'm sure the truck I buy this fall will have A/C just to help re-sale value later on, but whether or not it works, I really couldn't care less.
I've got T-tops in my Stang, so that's my cooling method of choice. I've always been a fan of putting the windows down anyway.
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08-02-2006, 05:34 PM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Bob is Good.
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Yeah, but you're from another galaxy (i.e. Canada). It actually gets warm (i.e. really frickin' hot) down here. |
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08-02-2006, 07:40 PM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Taking life one day at a time
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OMG you are full of crapola. The VW does not have a heater off of the coolant system but it does have a heater that is also used on aircraft. It takes heat off the exhaust manifold. There is a box on top of the manifold that has a duct to the outside air when you open the valve using the handle next to the parking brake it allows air to pass thru the manifold box and into the car. by adjusting the handle you regulate the heat to cold air.
So you are the lose!!!!! Next anyone??? anyone at all??? 
Nope I think not
As for not having A/C if I lived in Edmondton, Canada I might not have A/C either!!!
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Last edited by Danger Dude; 08-02-2006 at 11:39 PM.
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08-03-2006, 08:19 AM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Mad Scientist
Join Date: Jun 2006
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Hmmmm.... these 30-35*C (86-95*F) that we get ever year must not count, eh?  (that's right, I said "eh"!)
I know they're not the 100+*F that the southern States sees on occasion, but we've been hotter than Miami, Houston and Pheonix on more than a handful of occasions this summer so far, and this usually happens every year as well 
True enough. But you asked if a car has ever been made without a heater, and technically it doesn't..... You're just bringing hot air from the engine bay, which in reality, any car ever made could do without a heater core. Correct?
So I'm claiming a win via techincality.
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08-03-2006, 08:48 AM
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Re: '09 suggestions from a jaded Mustang owner
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Taking life one day at a time
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Quote:
Originally Posted by SilentNoise
Hmmmm.... these 30-35*C (86-95*F) that we get ever year must not count, eh? (that's right, I said "eh"!)
I know they're not the 100+*F that the southern States sees on occasion, but we've been hotter than Miami, Houston and Pheonix on more than a handful of occasions this summer so far, and this usually happens every year as well
True enough. But you asked if a car has ever been made without a heater, and technically it doesn't..... You're just bringing hot air from the engine bay, which in reality, any car ever made could do without a heater core. Correct?
So I'm claiming a win via techincality.
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Technically you are grasping at straws. There was never any mention of it having to be a coolant heater. Just a heater. All air cooled engines have radiant box heater. The fact is Porsche and VW are built in Germany and they would never have a car without a heater. I was stationed in Germany and it gets damn cold there.
So technically you are claiming nothing. You are a noodleheaded cannuck.
A heater is a heater and there is no weight savings with a radiant heat box
You lose Next!!!!
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Last edited by Danger Dude; 08-03-2006 at 08:50 AM.
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