Fantasy Warfare

[tkd_gt]

Just for fun, and future competition with a buddy from work how is this for a matchup:

2000 Pontaic TA LS1 Automatic (bone stock) VS 1999GT w/flowmasters, k&n filter + 5-speed. IS the LS1 still too much for the stang to handle?

Ready, set, fill me in.

[MarkuzLS1]

Yes. Much too much for the stang.

[Brent]

320hp v 270ish hp

[bbunt302]

The stang doesn't have a chance.

[ridenmystang]

I agree you'd get whooped. Have you ever driven one? They are too much for me to handle I'd kill myself in one.

[MarkuzLS1]

Quote: Originally Posted by ridenmystang I agree you'd get whooped. Have you ever driven one? They are too much for me to handle I'd kill myself in one.

C'mon now, they're not that fast.

[bbunt302]

Quote: Originally Posted by MarkuzLS1 C'mon now, they're not that fast.

I agree. They are faster than a 99-04 GT, but it's not a world of difference. Besides, it's all a matter of how far you push that little pedal on the right down anyway...

[JROC]

An ls1 is a motor that likes to be revved. It does pull that much down low,(not that a N/A modular mustang is blessed with a lot of lowend power either) but when the motor reaches higher rpm's it will defanantly out run a stock GT mustang.

[Thomas91169]

if the mustang driver can drive and the LS1 guy cant, its possible the mustang can hold off the LS1 till about 1/8mi. by then the LS1 should have reeled him in and be passing.

[tkd_gt]

I thought the LS1 was only 285? Wow. Any other cheaper mods other than flows and a filter that would help a stang owner out in this case?

[JROC]

Quote: Originally Posted by tkd_gt I thought the LS1 was only 285? Wow. Any other cheaper mods other than flows and a filter that would help a stang owner out in this case?

I think z28's have about that much HP, but Trans Am's and Camaro SS have more, especially WS6's they have something like 335 to 345 I think, Corvettes and GTO's with LS1's have 350. Still I've seen a bone stock Z28 beat GT Mustangs with bolt ons, I've also seen him beat a guy I used to know Trans Ams, and he had a few bolt ons. For some reason that guys z28 just hooked up and launch harder than you would think it could on the stock tires, if they would have raced farther the Trans Am would have one though, he was slowly catching up.
As far as cheap mods maybe some gears, some 3.73's or 4.10's would help, but I still don't think that would be enough, n2o maybe a 100 shot would get you there.

[Brent]

Quote: Originally Posted by tkd_gt I thought the LS1 was only 285? Wow. Any other cheaper mods other than flows and a filter that would help a stang owner out in this case?

That'd be the LT1. LS1 Z28's had 305. LS1 TransAms had 320 I believe.

[MarkuzLS1]

My TA put 300 to the wheels, bone stock. With an air-lid and a cat-back it did 317.

[bsmith782]

I dont know about all that, I have been beaten by one camero and it was owned by a dude in STL who owns a company called street speed. Ive whooped (2-3 car lengths) a guy in a a 01 WS6 not sure auto or stick, and my cousins boyfriend has a 94 Z28 auto with no cats that gets beat hard evry time. I frequent gateway intl raceway quite a bit and the guys in thier cameros and T/A's say the autos are quicker than the 6 speeds. I know they make more power but I also gotta believe that a decked out SS or FireHawk has gotta weigh more then a 99-04 GT

BSmith

[MarkuzLS1]

Quote: Originally Posted by bsmith782 Best ET-13.794@101.2

[Brent]

Quote: Originally Posted by bsmith782 I dont know about all that, I have been beaten by one camero and it was owned by a dude in STL who owns a company called street speed. Ive whooped (2-3 car lengths) a guy in a a 01 WS6 not sure auto or stick, and my cousins boyfriend has a 94 Z28 auto with no cats that gets beat hard evry time. I frequent gateway intl raceway quite a bit and the guys in thier cameros and T/A's say the autos are quicker than the 6 speeds. I know they make more power but I also gotta believe that a decked out SS or FireHawk has gotta weigh more then a 99-04 GT BSmith

You didn't "whoop" a LS1 TransAm with a 13.7. Something was terribly wrong if you did. No offense but the times just don't match up

[bsmith782]

hey all im saying is i pulled 2-3 cars on the dude not once but twice, maybe something was wrong but i dont know that, all I know is i won with my girlfriend in the car with me.

Bsmith

[bsmith782]

what does a newer t/a run in the 1/4, i know its not faster than a 2002-2003 corvette that runs a 13.4

BSmith

[MarkuzLS1]

low-low 13's. GM High Tech Performance got a 12.9 out of a stock '02 SS.

[bsmith782]

so for what ever reason a vette with probly no less than 200-300 pounds less and 15-25 hp more is slower than a ls1 ss or ta

BSmith

[MarkuzLS1]

Quote: Originally Posted by bsmith782 so for what ever reason a vette with probly no less than 200-300 pounds less and 15-25 hp more is slower than a ls1 ss or ta BSmith

Or whoever was driving the 13.4 second 'vette...couldn't. They've all make about the same power, btw. My bone stock '02 WS6 put 300 to the wheels.

[bsmith782]

so your saying the professional drivers at car&driver dont know how to drive

BSmith

[MarkuzLS1]

They don't powershift. Amongst other things. Behold one of your blue ovals at their hands:

http://www.mustangevolution.com/foru...ion-21760.html

[Brent]

Quote: Originally Posted by bsmith782 so for what ever reason a vette with probly no less than 200-300 pounds less and 15-25 hp more is slower than a ls1 ss or ta BSmith

umm C6 Vettes have 400HP and the Z06 has 500HP.

quite a bit more than 15-25hp

and not close to being slower than a ss or ta

[JROC]

Here are some comparisons. I would recommend you go test drive a LS1 T/A, or Camaro, just for shits and giggles, their pretty fun to drive.
01 Cobra vs Camaro SS Article
99 Mustang GT vs Camaro Z28 Article 1

[bsmith782]

good articles jroc, and when I was talking about vettes if you look alittle up the thread I was talking about the 2002-2003 model years.
good fun isnt it.

BSmith

[MarkuzLS1]

What do you run 1/8th mile, bsmith?

[bsmith782]

Im not sure off the top on my head, but im off on sunday and ill go to my dads house and find my slips, I will let you know on monday

BSmith

[bsmith782]

Sorry i didnt see the advice jroc (about driving a ta or ss), actually I work at a mitsubishi dealership in STL and weve had 3 02 trans am WS6's as trade in's and ive driven tham all. Also we have our chevrolet dealership righ next door and ive driven the ls6 vettes as well. Too rich for my blood,

BSmith

[bsmith782]

by the way how do all of you guys get the pics of you cars as signature with the graphics and lettering and stuff????

BSmith

[MarkuzLS1]

Quote: Originally Posted by bsmith782 Too rich for my blood

Yeah, they don't fuck around when it comes to pricing those 'vettes. I test drove an '05 Corvette coupe and the sticker was $52k.

[bsmith782]

markuz, I just clicked on you gt500 link its funny i was actually going to email the mustang mag and car&driver and try to figure out how there was a 1 sec diff in the times, it doesnt make any sense.

BSmith

[bsmith782]

Tell me about it (the price on new vettes) all im saying is i thought that the
C6's looked tough....... untill i saw one in person parked next to the new Z06 (try 74 large)

BSmith

[JROC]

Quote: Originally Posted by bsmith782 by the way how do all of you guys get the pics of you cars as signature with the graphics and lettering and stuff???? BSmith

Go here and post a picture, and ask Zim to make you one. He makes them look pretty cool, but I don't know how to make one with all the detail that he uses.

http://www.mustangevolution.com/foru...ure-21255.html

I made my own using "Microsoft Picture It! Premium 10". Then once you have you're Sig made you will need to go to "Mustang Forums>Control Panal>Edit Signature" and post it in there.

[Thomas91169]

Quote: Originally Posted by bsmith782 actually I work at a mitsubishi dealership in STL and weve had 3 02 trans am WS6's as trade in's

wtf im guessing they traded them in for evo's?