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10-06-2003, 09:28 PM
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232 Targa Top Help!!
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NOStang00
Join Date: Oct 2003
City: NY
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Hey i've got a 2000 232 and wanted to be different this winter when storing it and cut a targa top into it...The weather stripping i've got covered, but my question is....what type of suspension stiffeners will i need? are sub-frame connectors enough?...and what exactly is it that the convertibles have that i dont?  |
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10-06-2003, 09:43 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2003
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With a non vert car turning it into a targa can be pretty dangerous.
Honestly I don't really know what all verts have that hardtops don't, but I think a targa top stang would look kick ass!
---goes and gets hacksaw and measuring tape--- |
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10-06-2003, 09:47 PM
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Senior Tech Advisor
Join Date: Jun 2003
City: Burlington, NC
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What do we have that a coupe doesn't have? Well, it is almost more like what do you have that we don't. We don't have a hard top. We don't have stationary quarter windows, ours roll up and down. Our top is a frame with a canvas/vinyl cover, it has a motorized hydraulic pump that raises and lowers it. It then clamps to the top of the windshield frame. Does that sort of explain it a little?
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10-06-2003, 09:49 PM
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Senior Tech Advisor
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Call me stupid, I have heard of a targa top, but exactly what is it?
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Rick Kilpatrick, AAS Automotive Systems Tech, Alamance Community College, Class of 99. 06 5 speed manual Mustang with Pony pkg : GT Mac Mufflers, true duals with one custom pipe. 2.5" system. GT bumper cover, all installed March 7&8 2006. AFE Stage 1 CAI, Motoblue Underdrive pulley, GT aluminum shifter knob, honeycomb rear blackout panel,and dash kit installed. Roush hood scoop and side window louvers installed. SS taillight trim has been installed, new alum. GT steering wheel installed.
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10-06-2003, 09:56 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2003
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I know the difference outerbody wise. What I don't know is with regards to chasis stiffeners.
A targa top is just like a T top with out the middle bar. It simply goes all the way across. Like the supra in the Fast & Furious.
Basically you would be tacking away any frame stiffness from the top of the car. And I would imagine a vert makes up for this heavily somehow and my guess is it would have to be more than simply subframe connectors.
But I am just trying to learn. |
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10-06-2003, 10:03 PM
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The factory subframe connectors, which didn't even show up on our verts til about 99, are basically wothless flimsy bolton ones which aren't even much for the scrap metal pile. Any good aftermarket weld in connector is better, there may be other bracing other places. For one there is some in the front end which is comparable to the Steeda Gtrack brace, not sure if there is any more or not.
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Rick Kilpatrick, AAS Automotive Systems Tech, Alamance Community College, Class of 99. 06 5 speed manual Mustang with Pony pkg : GT Mac Mufflers, true duals with one custom pipe. 2.5" system. GT bumper cover, all installed March 7&8 2006. AFE Stage 1 CAI, Motoblue Underdrive pulley, GT aluminum shifter knob, honeycomb rear blackout panel,and dash kit installed. Roush hood scoop and side window louvers installed. SS taillight trim has been installed, new alum. GT steering wheel installed.
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10-07-2003, 03:11 PM
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NOStang00
Join Date: Oct 2003
City: NY
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Thanx for the help guys, I think ill take it one step at a time, posting pics when finished! |
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10-07-2003, 03:16 PM
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Eyes So Tight I Pass For An Asian
Join Date: May 2003
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yea pics on this kind of project will def be a good thing.  |
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10-07-2003, 07:08 PM
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postarama
Join Date: Aug 2003
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State: Mississippi
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Hey, I've thought about doing that to my car as well. Be sure to post how you did it, cause I'll probably do it to mine some time in the near future.
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10-07-2003, 08:31 PM
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Senior Tech Advisor
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http://www.globalwest.net/mustang%2079-98.htm#Subframe%20connectors: consider part #929 or 929C full competition subframe units.
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Rick Kilpatrick, AAS Automotive Systems Tech, Alamance Community College, Class of 99. 06 5 speed manual Mustang with Pony pkg : GT Mac Mufflers, true duals with one custom pipe. 2.5" system. GT bumper cover, all installed March 7&8 2006. AFE Stage 1 CAI, Motoblue Underdrive pulley, GT aluminum shifter knob, honeycomb rear blackout panel,and dash kit installed. Roush hood scoop and side window louvers installed. SS taillight trim has been installed, new alum. GT steering wheel installed.
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10-07-2003, 10:18 PM
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NOStang00
Join Date: Oct 2003
City: NY
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Well i guess i asked the right guys....Parts# package 929 is what ah'm gettin!  |
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10-07-2003, 10:29 PM
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Taking life one day at a time
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Well I guess you did Rick has some great places to find stuff you are looking for
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10-10-2003, 10:33 AM
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WTF^^...
Join Date: May 2003
City: Hoover / Florence
State: Alabama
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some how i see this project ending by a how to weld back on metal that you cut off a targa top will look stupid on a mustang to begine with... i would just sell it and buy a convertable or get a big sun roof and call it a day....
its not safe to do it you will need to figure out how to stiffen the frame back up when you cut out that much support also.
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MGW Shifter, Stingers, JLT, SS Inserts, MM FLSFC & CC Plates, SS Lines, H&R Race springs, IRS Brace, MRT Hood Struts
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10-17-2003, 01:21 PM
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Senior Tech Advisor
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Spector, its pretty obvious you haven't read the thread, that is most of what its been about. :oops:
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Rick Kilpatrick, AAS Automotive Systems Tech, Alamance Community College, Class of 99. 06 5 speed manual Mustang with Pony pkg : GT Mac Mufflers, true duals with one custom pipe. 2.5" system. GT bumper cover, all installed March 7&8 2006. AFE Stage 1 CAI, Motoblue Underdrive pulley, GT aluminum shifter knob, honeycomb rear blackout panel,and dash kit installed. Roush hood scoop and side window louvers installed. SS taillight trim has been installed, new alum. GT steering wheel installed.
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10-18-2003, 12:29 PM
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WTF^^...
Join Date: May 2003
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2003 REDFIRE COBRA #3938 of 5082 @ 05/27/2003 1 of 414
MGW Shifter, Stingers, JLT, SS Inserts, MM FLSFC & CC Plates, SS Lines, H&R Race springs, IRS Brace, MRT Hood Struts
ME.com Member #29 - 400rwhp/380rwtq
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10-22-2003, 08:23 AM
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Moder F'n Rator
Join Date: May 2003
City: Ohio
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i've thrown this idea around in my head too...
something i thought about doing was taking the latches from convertables and putting four of them on the removable part [2 front 2 back] and this will keep it pretty secure. I would also look into getting a roll bar & MM subframe connectors. Make sure you take your time when you are cuttin the roof. Make it nice and clean. I really wanna see pics! Anyone wanna PS something up??? |
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10-22-2003, 09:11 AM
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Senior Tech Advisor
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Good idea Junior, a real roll cage, at least a 6 point I think to do much good. Maybe like a road racing cage.
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Rick Kilpatrick, AAS Automotive Systems Tech, Alamance Community College, Class of 99. 06 5 speed manual Mustang with Pony pkg : GT Mac Mufflers, true duals with one custom pipe. 2.5" system. GT bumper cover, all installed March 7&8 2006. AFE Stage 1 CAI, Motoblue Underdrive pulley, GT aluminum shifter knob, honeycomb rear blackout panel,and dash kit installed. Roush hood scoop and side window louvers installed. SS taillight trim has been installed, new alum. GT steering wheel installed.
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10-23-2003, 09:06 AM
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Moder F'n Rator
Join Date: May 2003
City: Ohio
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Hows the GT rick???
Make sure that you also make a storage place for your top in your trunk in ase of rain  |
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10-23-2003, 10:43 AM
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Senior Tech Advisor
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Its doing great Junior! I love it. Probably up a bit over 300 hp at the crank now.
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Rick Kilpatrick, AAS Automotive Systems Tech, Alamance Community College, Class of 99. 06 5 speed manual Mustang with Pony pkg : GT Mac Mufflers, true duals with one custom pipe. 2.5" system. GT bumper cover, all installed March 7&8 2006. AFE Stage 1 CAI, Motoblue Underdrive pulley, GT aluminum shifter knob, honeycomb rear blackout panel,and dash kit installed. Roush hood scoop and side window louvers installed. SS taillight trim has been installed, new alum. GT steering wheel installed.
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10-24-2003, 04:38 PM
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Moder F'n Rator
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thats awesome to hear rick!
Something else to add to the list of Targra top parts would probably be racing seats...not a must have, but a good idea with their seat belts. |
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11-05-2003, 11:47 PM
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Registered User
Join Date: Sep 2003
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yeah someone PS this.... i was thinking a rollcage would help too, like have a bar go across the top like right where the cut is at, and that would stiffen it up a lot. I suggest calling ford, and asking them for all of the differences between the vert and coupe. Just get their service department. hopefully they know what they are talking about. yeah that part 929.....should help a lot. pics! |
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