yeah geneva convention/human rights is only viable rules of engagement if both sides agree with them. when you have an enemy that shows no mercy to their captives, why should we? i mean, yeah, lets not stoop down to their level, but you know what, this is a fucking war.
i would just come out and say, if asked if we were torturing captives by legal means,
"Fuck no! these terrorists have no rights as a human being. their human rights were canceled the moment they vowed to destroy our culture at all costs, so why should their lives be covered by any laws?"
when they come back and say "oh, its cause its the right thing to do" then you come back and say "so in your eyes, the right thing to do would be to spank them on their wrists till they tell us what we want? are you seriously that fucking stupid and narrow sighted?"
why the hell does that jounalist care if that terrorist felt like he was going to drown...omg, that is so mean, we held him under water. I don't care if we do a lot more than that...i don't care if he dies from our torture after what he's done. If he had justice done to him he would be going through a lot more than that.
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i mean, yeah, lets not stoop down to their level, but you know what, this is a fucking war.
Yes we should because that is the only way you are going to beat an enemy that is too cowardly to wear a uniform and hides behind women and children. They have no rules, we should have no rules.
Solution that will never be implemented:
1.) Get info from captives with any means necessary, just let me know what you find out...I don't care how you found out.
2.) When a pocket of resistence holds up in a village, surround it. Tell the village they have 2 days to point out the bad guys. After 2 days, level the entire village/city. Period. Rinse. Repeat.
3.) Say what you mean, and when you say something, stick to it and go through with it. To hell with compasion. Kill them until they are no longer a problem.
The reason we dont is that we are better than they are... sure it might not always make everyone happy and all of that crap but we have to set an example. Even if other people do it that doesnt mean we should, if everyone else sees us doing it regardless they will also think its ok.
With that said... what goes on with out us knowing... now thats a whole nothing area lol.
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Well, if I am fighting someone and they grab a pipe expecting to bash my head in, you better believe I will grab something bigger and bash their head in first. I will drop myself to their level for the sole purpose of protecting myself. That whole "We are better than that..." BS can take a walk. I don't care how much better we are. If this is the way the want to fight, well, then let's show them exactly how well we can fight that way too. Too hell with standards when it comes to these low lifes.
I believe a similar thing happened with the English during the founding of this country. We beat them because we didn't follow the normal rules of engagment. We fought gorilla style, like the Indians taught us. The English were still lining up in rows.
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I believe a similar thing happened with the English during the founding of this country. We beat them because we didn't follow the normal rules of engagment. We fought gorilla style, like the Indians taught us. The English were still lining up in rows.
And they lost because they didn't adapt to our style of fighting. Just like we lost in Vietnam because we didn't adapt to their style of fighting. If you try to fight on a higher plane with dignity/respect/"We are better than that" attitude, you will lose. It has been proven repeatedly. Either adjust, or lose.
The same thing holds true when you look at how long it took us to maintain a sniper corps. We were being sniped in WWI. We started sniping. WWII Started, we were being sniped. We had no more snipers because we didn't keep them on. Then, we started sniping again. Rinse, repeat for Korea and Vietnam. Then we finally woke up and said we need to keep a sniper corps.
We are a slow to learn from history country. You must fight on the same plan as your enemy or else you WILL lose.
We are held to a higher standard that the piece of shit terrorist, however with these abstarct wars we have to use our enemies tactics too. If our coutries war pratices are a bit sordid, so be it. It keeps America safer.
We are held to a higher standard that the piece of shit terrorist, however with these abstarct wars we have to use our enemies tactics too. If our coutries war pratices are a bit sordid, so be it. It keeps America safer.
Im not talking about doing what you have to to win a war im talking about treating prisoners with respect, I know there is info we have to get from them but... there are somethings that go to far that there is no need in doing.
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I agree we should treat them with respect, but when the information we need is held by them then we should take all actions needed to get it.
We should not torture our enemies for our enjoyment, but if it is absolutley necessary for security then so be it. We already undergo scrutiny for everything, why not add one more that is easily justafiable.
Apparently these people have forgotten who we're dealing with. The terrorist don't give a damn about who, or how they kill Americans. Civilians, women, children, babies, it doesn't matter to them. Remember a couple years ago when the were kidnapping civilian contractors, and cutting their heads off with pocket knifes. When you are interrogating them to help save our people, you have to give them an assentive to want to talk, and I'm ok with that.
Apparently these people have forgotten who we're dealing with. The terrorist don't give a damn about who, or how they kill Americans. Civilians, women, children, babies, it doesn't matter to them. Remember a couple years ago when the were kidnapping civilian contractors, and cutting their heads off with pocket knifes. When you are interrogating them to help save our people, you have to give them an assentive to want to talk, and I'm ok with that.
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