Here we go Again with Ford

bluemustang · **Here we go Again with Ford**

Sooner or Later we're not even gonna have a Big 3

DETROIT (Sept. 15) - Ford is cutting more than 10,000 additional salaried jobs, offering buyouts to all of its 75,000 U.S. hourly workers and shutting down two more plants in a plan to end financial losses and remake itself into a smaller, more competitive car company.

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**Brent** · **Re: Here we go Again with Ford**

I just want a Mustang every year. If they can do that I am happy lol

bluemustang · **Re: Here we go Again with Ford**


Quote: Originally Posted by Brent I just want a Mustang every year. If they can do that I am happy lol

yeah but reality is setting in, if they wanna remain this "small" company their not gonna last. Their quality of cars suck compare to the rest of the import market

Fact is other countries dont want cheaply made cars for the price they charge compare to a Hydunai or Toyota. American cars are being built to cheap and not lasting. Thats the issue and people know this.

Hell the time i spent up in Toronto i seen a total of maybe 6-7 american cars thats just sad considering theres a Ford Plant about 20 mins south of Toronto

**PureVenom** · **Re: Here we go Again with Ford**

The best news I am hearing is that Ford is going to offer the buyout to its employees to get away from the UAW. If Ford can send the UAW packing, they will be able to do a lot to turn themselves around. They should go private, remove the UAW, and reconsider the $18 million signing bonus they just gave the new CEO guy. Then, when poor job performance can actually get you fired since the union won't be in the way anymore, maybe the factory workers will put some effort into putting shit together. Not to mention, creating a pay ladder that reflects your job duties and not your time with the company.

Danger Dude · **Re: Here we go Again with Ford**


Quote: Originally Posted by bluemustang yeah but reality is setting in, if they wanna remain this "small" company their not gonna last. Their quality of cars suck compare to the rest of the import market Fact is other countries dont want cheaply made cars for the price they charge compare to a Hydunai or Toyota. American cars are being built to cheap and not lasting. Thats the issue and people know this. Hell the time i spent up in Toronto i seen a total of maybe 6-7 american cars thats just sad considering theres a Ford Plant about 20 mins south of Toronto

I disagree the quailty of their cars does not suck Ford and GM build good cars. Ford screwed up with styling simple because they had the #1 car Taurus and SUV Explorer and Now Chevy Malibu and Trailblazer took those spots. It is more a marketing thing. People are under the assumption japanese cars are better. The fact is frequncy of repair is quite close. The biggest problem is Fuel economy. People want good mileage but also good power and that is where the US fails. For power we go to the V8. Buick of all has it right. They build the best V6 line of all the american car companies. Ford is right there but again marketing sux there commercials suck and general loathing and miscalculations will cause them great grief for the next few years.

bluemustang · **Re: Here we go Again with Ford**


Quote: Originally Posted by Danger Dude I disagree the quailty of their cars does not suck Ford and GM build good cars. Ford screwed up with styling simple because they had the #1 car Taurus and SUV Explorer and Now Chevy Malibu and Trailblazer took those spots. It is more a marketing thing. People are under the assumption japanese cars are better. The fact is frequncy of repair is quite close. The biggest problem is Fuel economy. People want good mileage but also good power and that is where the US fails. For power we go to the V8. Buick of all has it right. They build the best V6 line of all the american car companies. Ford is right there but again marketing sux there commercials suck and general loathing and miscalculations will cause them great grief for the next few years.

I dunno corey ive taken apart taurus's/sables and other fords alike and Mercury mini vans/SUVs and they are seriously put together CHEAP. Fact is american engines can barely make it past 130K compare to a Toyota camry which are put together a bit better and have motors that last well beyond the 200K mark

you cant beat that for the price.

You are right though right is the fuel economy wars and the imports are winning it hands down with that Yaris, or that new nissan thing whatever the hell it is. Hell those SMarrt Cars are becoming a huge hit
But if your saying its marketing then guess what those Import guys know how to market the right crowds cause their quit domainating at the moment

**PureVenom** · **Re: Here we go Again with Ford**

I don't know man, my Niche vehicle is put together pretty shittily. Hood lines suck, dash gaps out of wack/crooked, panels scratched on delivery, wheels gouged...I could see it on a high output car like the V6 or what not, but when it is the cream of your mustang crop, it should be put together right.

Danger Dude · **Re: Here we go Again with Ford**


Quote: Originally Posted by bluemustang I dunno corey ive taken apart taurus's/sables and other fords alike and Mercury mini vans/SUVs and they are seriously put together CHEAP. Fact is american engines can barely make it past 130K compare to a Toyota camry which are put together a bit better and have motors that last well beyond the 200K mark you cant beat that for the price. You are right though right is the fuel economy wars and the imports are winning it hands down with that Yaris, or that new nissan thing whatever the hell it is. Hell those SMarrt Cars are becoming a huge hit But if your saying its marketing then guess what those Import guys know how to market the right crowds cause their quit domainating at the moment

Once again American car companies are faced with the exact problems of to 70's . BIG VEHICLES. We did not learn. We built the huge SUV's and Truck's selling them like hot cakes not worrying about regular car sales. They did not have enough foresight to see the train wreck coming and now they pay the price. Playing catch up to the japanese is difficult when they are good at what they do!!!!

Here is what blows me away. The Mustang is selling good for them but WHY DID THEY MAKE IT SO FAT!!! If they had used the engine they are currently using and put it in a body that weights around 2800 to 3000 pounds it would not only scream down the road it would get a few more miles to the gallon.

Fat Fat Fat americans absorbed with SUPER SIZE but they dont like the SUPER SIZED FUEL COST. Enter the japanese with great mileage cars and now Ford is going down the SUPER SIZED DRAIN!!!

bluemustang · **Re: Here we go Again with Ford**


Quote: Originally Posted by Danger Dude Once again American car companies are faced with the exact problems of to 70's . BIG VEHICLES. We did not learn. We built the huge SUV's and Truck's selling them like hot cakes not worrying about regular car sales. They did not have enough foresight to see the train wreck coming and now they pay the price. Playing catch up to the japanese is difficult when they are good at what they do!!!! Here is what blows me away. The Mustang is selling good for them but WHY DID THEY MAKE IT SO FAT!!! If they just use the engine they are currently using and put it in a body that weights around 2800 to 3000 pounds it would not only scream down the road it would get a few more miles to the gallon. Fat Fat FAt americans absorbed with SUPER SIZE but they dont like the SUPER SIZED FUEL COST. Enter the japanese with great mileage cars and now Ford is going down the SUPER SIZED DRAIN!!!

makes plenty of sense to me

**Herbstang** · **Re: Here we go Again with Ford**


Quote: Originally Posted by Danger Dude I disagree the quailty of their cars does not suck Ford and GM build good cars. Ford screwed up with styling simple because they had the #1 car Taurus and SUV Explorer and Now Chevy Malibu and Trailblazer took those spots. It is more a marketing thing. People are under the assumption japanese cars are better. The fact is frequncy of repair is quite close. The biggest problem is Fuel economy. People want good mileage but also good power and that is where the US fails. For power we go to the V8. Buick of all has it right. They build the best V6 line of all the american car companies. Ford is right there but again marketing sux there commercials suck and general loathing and miscalculations will cause them great grief for the next few years.

You are so right about the Buick Grand National 3.8L SFI Turbo V6