KB Cobra Vs. Ford GT With Exhaust And Tune

[JROC]

This is a pretty cool video. Apparently its in Baton Rouge. Maybe Smurfin know some of these people.

606HP KB Mustang Cobra VS 550HP Ford GT

[timpryor]

in your sig, its suposed to be "Birds may fly but snakes bite"

and nice find on the video too bad the GT guy can't drive

[bullitt482]

I was thinking the same thing. Saw a video a while back of an 03-04 cobra and a new z06. Z06 had 490 at the wheels and the cobra had 590, the z06 took it from a roll. Something about him weighing 800 or so less than the z06 and the z06 has MUCH better aero. The GT should have stayed with him no prob.

On the race setup, roll racing is for Jeff Gordon. Dig or die mofo's. Actually, on that note the GT would have definately gotten beat.

[JROC]

Ya'll I think that Cobra just ate that ass is what it is. The main reason a Z06 will beat a Cobra with more HP at high speeds is because its so long legged and has better aerodynamics, not really weight, Supra's are heavy cars too but their very quick at accelerating at high speeds. And a C6 Z06 weighs about 500 to 550lb less than a Termy.

[bullitt482]

Supra's are good for rolls because their powerband doesn't start until a typical V8 stops... Especially the ones with a big honkin' turbo.

[bullitt482]

Quote: Originally Posted by JROC Ya'll I think that Cobra just ate that ass is what it is. The main reason a Z06 will beat a Cobra with more HP at high speeds is because its so long legged and has better aerodynamics, not really weight, Supra's are heavy cars too but their very quick at accelerating at high speeds. And a C6 Z06 weighs about 500 to 550lb less than a Termy.

Quote: Originally Posted by bullitt482 Something about him weighing 800 or so less than the z06 and the z06 has MUCH better aero. The GT should have stayed with him no prob.

I meant to say more than the Z06 haha. Either way, I did say it had better aero. And supra's weight about as much as a New Edge GT. The Z06 is about 3100 lbs. I thought the 03-04 Cobras were 37-3800 lbs? So my math isn't all that right haha.

[JROC]

Quote: Originally Posted by bullitt482 I meant to say more than the Z06 haha. Either way, I did say it had better aero. And supra's weight about as much as a New Edge GT. The Z06 is about 3100 lbs. I thought the 03-04 Cobras were 37-3800 lbs? So my math isn't all that right haha.

C6 Z06's weigh around 3150-3200lbs Terminators weigh around 3650-3700lbs. Some say Supra's weigh around 3450lbs and others say around 3650lbs. Who to believe.

[SpectorV]

a z06 is lighter, has more power, better aero, basically just better. It takes about 550-600rwhp from a 03/04 cobra to take down a z06~

[PureVenom]

This race went down at our dyno day. It is a stang hi customer's car...ridden in that car, it is a beast. Took long enough for it to drift its way over here...lol

Details of the race:

GT had exhaust, no tune
KB is a beast.

GT was driven by a 17 year old that shifted at 3000 rpms. He called out the KB cobra thinking he would wax it. Yeah, well, he can't drive for shit. Neither can I, but damn, he should have strolled him.

KB Cobra guy kept talking about wanting to race people. Was called out to run the white shop saleen (also owned by the kid with the GT and his father)...wouldn't run him. Oh well.

This video is a disgrace and should have never happened. The kid driving needs to realize his skill level before talking smack.

None the less, it happened, it is on video, and I would be pimping it everywhere if it were me that had just strolled a GT that bad as well. Hell, with the way he drove, I think my pulleyed cobra could have smoked the GT in that race.

A rematch with a real driver would be nice...however that GT now has the Kenne bell snout and tune and is putting down 620 rwhp on 93...so it wouldn't be a true rematch.

By the way, this GT is the one I post pics and videos of.

[Kyle]

[Thomas91169]

Quote: Originally Posted by bullitt482 On the race setup, roll racing is for Jeff Gordon. Dig or die mofo's. Actually, on that note the GT would have definately gotten beat.

at the 500 mark doing anything in first and second gears is useless and/or just results in broken parts and lots of wear on the drivetrain/chassis. roll races are better for finding out which car is better.

youll also see this if you watch any of the AMS Evo videos. 1000+ hp to all four wheels now. its driveline is built up but even they are wary about using it at the track. On street tires, it couldnt get traction in 4th at the track. they were afraid of what will happen when slicks are used and they try launching it. this is why most of the AMS vids are seen from a roll, less drivetrain stress and more of a test of the car rather than driver. and since in this day in age, alot of the ricer kiddies hate to lose, its better that you test car vs car, not driver vs driver. everyone gets their ego's involved and its downhill from there. if a driver loses, he gets pissed. if a car loses, the owner just spends more money on it.

Quote: Originally Posted by bullitt482 Supra's are good for rolls because their powerband doesn't start until a typical V8 stops... Especially the ones with a big honkin' turbo.

true. theyre gearing and top end give them an advantage. plus their motor is nearly indestructable stock and they are relatively easy to mod. if you have the money. downside is mods cost cause its a small market and manufacturers can claim they have lots of R&D into a part, and since its a small market, upcharge the hell out of it. and the initial purchase price of the vehicle itself. if you want a freeway beast supra, youre looking at a 40k if you use brand new parts and dont half ass shit. i think Hogan said he had 60k into one of his supras on his show (Hogan Knows Best).

though if you think modding a supra sounds bad, imagine the cost of trying to do that to a Skyline, In America!

[JROC]

I say if you throw big turbo/turbo's on most any modern american muscle cars(Mustangs, F-Bodies, Vettes, Vipers, etc) and build their motors to take the abuse of a lot of boost, they should be just as fast from a roll as a Supra with a big turbo. Of couse gearing and aerodynamics also play a big factor in fast high speed acceleration, but ya'll get what I'm saying.

BTW nothing against Supra's, I think their very bad ass cars.

[Thomas91169]

Quote: Originally Posted by JROC I say if you throw big turbo/turbo's on most any modern american muscle cars(Mustangs, F-Bodies, Vettes, Vipers, etc) and build their motors to take the abuse of a lot of boost, they should be just as fast from a roll as a Supra with a big turbo.

true, but the supra comes with that badass basically "built" motor from the factory, and thus isnt part of the equation.

the closest thing domestics have right now in terms of modability, availability of parts and cost, to a supra is The Terminator. a very strong engine stock, 5k can get you into the upper 500 low 600hp range, and cost of vehicle is equal to cost of a supra. what people dont realize is how much it takes to get the supra from the stock levels to freeway king levels. last time i checked, the cost of the single turbo changeover kit was in the 6-7k range. im sure thats came down, but still thats alot of money to changeover to singles. then another 2k on a fuel system, and whatever it costs to get the dam thing tuned. and if you got the auto, its gonna need work. and same with the 6spd, i dont think it takes well to alot of power and rpm's.

[bullitt482]

Quote: Originally Posted by Thomas91169 at the 500 mark doing anything in first and second gears is useless and/or just results in broken parts and lots of wear on the drivetrain/chassis. roll races are better for finding out which car is better. youll also see this if you watch any of the AMS Evo videos. 1000+ hp to all four wheels now. its driveline is built up but even they are wary about using it at the track. On street tires, it couldnt get traction in 4th at the track. they were afraid of what will happen when slicks are used and they try launching it. this is why most of the AMS vids are seen from a roll, less drivetrain stress and more of a test of the car rather than driver. and since in this day in age, alot of the ricer kiddies hate to lose, its better that you test car vs car, not driver vs driver. everyone gets their ego's involved and its downhill from there. if a driver loses, he gets pissed. if a car loses, the owner just spends more money on it. true. theyre gearing and top end give them an advantage. plus their motor is nearly indestructable stock and they are relatively easy to mod. if you have the money. downside is mods cost cause its a small market and manufacturers can claim they have lots of R&D into a part, and since its a small market, upcharge the hell out of it. and the initial purchase price of the vehicle itself. if you want a freeway beast supra, youre looking at a 40k if you use brand new parts and dont half ass ****. i think Hogan said he had 60k into one of his supras on his show (Hogan Knows Best). though if you think modding a supra sounds bad, imagine the cost of trying to do that to a Skyline, In America!

If you have 500 whp and can't hook, you need to get new tires and suspension.... So what you're telling me is the new thing is roll racing? Roll racing is a test of what a car can do(like what you said). What's the point of racing then if you are just racing money to money???? How boring. I'd love to know that I beat a car with a lot more hp because the idiot driver didn't know how to handle it.

And where did the rant on the price of modding stuff come into play. I've been around the block and know that you can make supra do 200 mph with a hell of alot less than 40 thousand dollars. And Mr. Hogan's son also spent a ton of money on his car(since we are talking about him). I'm just wondering since the Supra motor is so "indestructible"(only if you have a badass tuner) then why did hogan's son spend 17 thousand dollars in parts for the MOTOR from titan motorsports. A friend of mine here had a "highway beast" and didn't spend anywhere near 40k dollars. He bought the full HKS Street kit and MIGHT have spent 14K on it with a mail order tune. You should really do your research first.

The reason why the AMS Evo never hooks is that is can't warm up the tires enough to get full use of the slicks they are driving on. Hell at 100 mph the car still breaks looks. AWD just isn't a good idea for cars that run 9's or 8's. Plus, look at how peaky the power band is. The car probably lauching with less than 400 hp and like torque and the next few tenths of a second it goes to more than double that. It's just not a good drag platform and is good for nothing more than a highway runner.[/rant]

[Thomas91169]

Quote: Originally Posted by bullitt482 If you have 500 whp and can't hook, you need to get new tires and suspension.... So what you're telling me is the new thing is roll racing? Roll racing is a test of what a car can do(like what you said). What's the point of racing then if you are just racing money to money???? How boring. I'd love to know that I beat a car with a lot more hp because the idiot driver didn't know how to handle it.

i dont know about you, but for me its not about the driver, its about cars. i hate people, i like cars. i want to know what a car does, not hear excuses from the driver. roll racing takes this excuse-ability away, and makes it a car vs car race. when both driver commit, they commit knowing that one car will win and one car will lose.

sure beating a expensive overpriced car in a normal car is cool cause the doof couldnt drive, but thats not fair to the vehicle, to base a win versus a car cause the driver cant drive. you didnt beat the other car, you beat the driver.

i dont know id post up a kill if i knew the driver couldnt drive. If i took my belated cobra against a GT500 and won, and it was cause the driver failed, id just know i beat him and not the car. stick a driver of equal skill and the car should decimate mine without trying.

see, i dont like it when it becomes driver vs driver instead of car vs car, because like i said before, when the driver loses, his ego gets involved, and around here, you gotta watch who you race, alot of the honduh kiddies get mad when your car is better than theirs, and theres alot of stories of honduh kiddies stalking and either ripping off their conquerer, or even killing them cause their car was better. when you race a car thats faster and lose, you just say "oh well, need more mods" and continue on with your life.

Quote: Originally Posted by bullitt482 I've been around the block and know that you can make supra do 200 mph with a hell of alot less than 40 thousand dollars. And Mr. Hogan's son also spent a ton of money on his car(since we are talking about him). I'm just wondering since the Supra motor is so "indestructible"(only if you have a badass tuner) then why did hogan's son spend 17 thousand dollars in parts for the MOTOR from titan motorsports. A friend of mine here had a "highway beast" and didn't spend anywhere near 40k dollars. He bought the full HKS Street kit and MIGHT have spent 14K on it with a mail order tune. You should really do your research first.

oh yeah, well Ive been around the block, neighborhood, suburb, north/east/west/south side, went to the grocery store for a 40 and came back.........twice. [/one upper]

and dude, thats 40k INCLUDING the price of the initial vehicle purchase.........

though you confuse me. first you say its easy by stating you can make a supra do 200mph cheap wth less than 40k (even though i was referring to mods+vehicle cost), then you go on to saying hogans son spent 17k into the motor alone. So what youre saying it its cheap but then its not cheap? 14k on a turbo kit is chump change, cmon now.

when i make a estimate, i put EVERYTHING into it, shit that most dont think about like rims/tires, brake kits, suspension, down to gauges and whatnot. you think one kit, i think the whole shibbang, the total estimate of add-on parts PLUS the purchase price of the vehicle = total.

so tell me, how much did your buddy spend on his car? now add in the 14k turbo kit, and dont forget the obvious rims/tires, suspension, brakes, injen dress up kit (supra ladies love teh Injen parts!), all the way down to the boost gauge and shift boot, add it up. Im guessing im pretty close with a estimate of car+mods at 40k, and whatever labor he gets charged for anything he cant install himself or tuning or what have you.

Quote: Originally Posted by bullitt482 The reason why the AMS Evo never hooks is that is can't warm up the tires enough to get full use of the slicks they are driving on. Hell at 100 mph the car still breaks looks. AWD just isn't a good idea for cars that run 9's or 8's. Plus, look at how peaky the power band is. The car probably lauching with less than 400 hp and like torque and the next few tenths of a second it goes to more than double that. It's just not a good drag platform and is good for nothing more than a highway runner.

and yeah, obviously AWD isnt the greatest drag car for 9's and 8's.............i mean hell, sheps only in the mid 7's, still running a stock 4g63 block he got from BJ's Cylinder heads years ago, on the same tranny used for over 300 consecutive passes. but cmon, thats just sevens, in a car that still has all the interior amenities of a stock talon minus passenger and rear seats to make room for the massive cage he must run. shep was doing 8's and 9's before bryan spilner owed turetto a 10 second car, before supras even made 1000hp. Shep was doing single digits when the biggest injector was a 550cc and AEM EMS was but a dream.

but i do agree, the power curve on the AMS Evo is too spiky to make much use of it on anything but 4th 5th and 6th on the freeway. but god dam, that must be a fun ride tell you what.

[jwyche]

Speaking of fast Ford GT40's, have y'all seen this?

Jim